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Old 01-01-2013, 07:50 PM   #1
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Tj will not turn over

1998 TJ, 2.5 L, Automatic, fresh engine rebuild, @ 137,000 mi all was well , 500 mi. on the rebuild. Let my wife drive it to work one day .

When she got ready to leave here are the symtoms, in no spacific order.

1. Streeing wheel will not lock.
2. No guages move when the key is turned to on.
3. Battery @ 11.3 vdc (does not move, it is new).
4. Headlights work, blower motor works.
5. No windshield wippers, no radio, no clock, no lights in the dash panel (airbag...ect...), back light works.
6. When key is moved to start, no clicks.
7. Can not hear the fuel pump come on.
8. When the key is in with the door open there is no alarm, but when the headlights are on without a key in the ignition, the alarm goes off.

Jeep is stock, don't think there is any anti-theft stuff.

HELP!!!!

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Old 01-01-2013, 07:58 PM   #2
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That the steering wheel no longer locks makes me think the ignition key cylinder/switch is a strong contender for your no-start and no-gauge issue. The headlights don't need the ignition switch to be on so that they still turn on makes sense.

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Old 01-01-2013, 08:19 PM   #3
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Jerry, that would be to cool. Am I right that I don't have to pull the steering wheel, this is basically under dash...
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Yep, no need to pull the steering wheel. No guarantees the ignition switch module is the source of your problem but...
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:30 PM   #5
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Sounds cheaper than other options, if you put that together with no alarm with key in the ignition. I will let you know...

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Old 01-03-2013, 09:20 AM   #6
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I going to keep am eye on this post. Pretty much same situation on my 99 jeep intermittently. I did notice the column didn't lock. But when I turn the key all acts like usual dash lights, fuel pump, click of starter but no turn over. Have new battery, new starter. Took off steering column cover last night and the ignition switch actuator is just fine. After we did that we went for dinner came back and she started right up. Frustrating.

P.S. Oh and the starting in neutral or pushing the shiftier up trick I found on here didn't work either.
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do you have a link to the netural/shifter up trick? what would shifting gears have to do with starting?

I would check fuses and that all wires have good connections at the control module.
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That the steering wheel no longer locks makes me think the ignition key cylinder/switch is a strong contender for your no-start and no-gauge issue. The headlights don't need the ignition switch to be on so that they still turn on makes sense.
That exactly what it is! Had the same problem with my jeep on the trail my myself luckily mine is a five speed so I rolled started it. You can buy key cylinders for like 25 bucks at autozone. Nice job Jerry!
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You guys are making me feel real good about this. I am in Indiana and it has been cold, the Jeep is in a safe place and it is supposed to warm up into the 30's this weekend. The plan is to go "FIX" this Saturday.

Let me make sure I am on the correct page. You are not talking about the ignition swtch, you are talking about the ignition key lock cylinder?

At this point I have not looked at anything at the Jeep, I have a Haynes "Jeep Wrangler 1987 through 2003 All modles" book, latest copyright,2004. If you can, go there with me, section 12-12 figure 18.11b, is this what I need? Or the ignition switch, illustrations 19.14?

Just trying (I am anal) to make sure.

Thanks for the help!!

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You guys are making me feel real good about this. I am in Indiana and it has been cold, the Jeep is in a safe place and it is supposed to warm up into the 30's this weekend. The plan is to go "FIX" this Saturday.

Let me make sure I am on the correct page. You are not talking about the ignition swtch, you are talking about the ignition key lock cylinder?

At this point I have not looked at anything at the Jeep, I have a Haynes "Jeep Wrangler 1987 through 2003 All modles" book, latest copyright,2004. If you can, go there with me, section 12-12 figure 18.11b, is this what I need? Or the ignition switch, illustrations 19.14?

Just trying (I am anal) to make sure.

Thanks for the help!!

Jimmy
If you want to be sure before you spend a dime, you can take the ignition switch (the black box on the left side of the column) and put a flat head in it and turn it as you would turn you're key and if it starts its you're key cylinder
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You have been reading my mind, it is cold here in Indiana and I sure would like to get this to my shop to work on it. I was wondering all day if something like that would work. If I knew how I would hot wire it, but I think you have discribed how to get it running in 5 min. and get me the 10 miles to my shop...

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You have been reading my mind, it is cold here in Indiana and I sure would like to get this to my shop to work on it. I was wondering all day if something like that would work. If I knew how I would hot wire it, but I think you have discribed how to get it running in 5 min. and get me the 10 miles to my shop...

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Well good luck bud. Keep us posted
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:42 PM   #13
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Well, the wind quit blowing today so I went and changed the ignigion switch, no luck. The screwdriver trick made no difference.

Pulled all the fuses in the distribution center under the hood, they all look good. Guess I'll work my way to the fuse block under the dash. I don't have an owners manual, so I won't know what I am looking at unless I find one blown.. Any other suggestions will be welcomed..

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Could this be an Ingnition Actuator Pin Switch problem?

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Could this be an Ingnition Actuator Pin Switch problem?

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X2 that happened to me, replaced it and it starts fine now
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Check the negative cable where it grounds to the block and chassis. Sometimes having lots of symptoms can be confusing because they might not all be related to one problem. Bad grounds with the big negative cable cause very strange problems.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:22 PM   #17
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The weather has broke around here, got warm enough to get back the Jeep. Have replaced the ignition switch, tried to make it go with a screw driver. No help. Had some local Jeep folks come over and look, they scratch their heads like me. Jumped the starter and it turns just fine. No fuel pump, no start, not surprised.

Could I be looking at a ECM or PCM? What ever it is called, the computer?

If that is where I need to go, what is involved in getting it set up? I see things about it needing programed?

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Old 02-03-2013, 12:36 PM   #18
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IT RUNS!!!!

After checking all the fuses, nothing, they were all good, all the fuzes in the PDC had voltage except # 21 (the auto shut down). I finally found a "green fuzy" spot on a wire in the bundle from the PDC. You know the stuff you might find on the (+) battery post. Tuns out it was the wire from F3 in the PDC that goes to the ignition switch (great call Jerry), with out that voltage the Automatic shutdown kicks in and you have nothing. Anyway, the green fuzz had chewed through the wire, spliced it back together and we are on the road.

Thanks All

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Old 03-04-2013, 06:25 PM   #19
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Well, it has been a month on my dd, and it starts every day (knock on wood). There is nothing like a good voltmeter to chase this kind of problem. Good eyes (that I nolonger have) and looking at everything, of corse I have not let my wife drive it again...

Thanks all for your help...

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