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Old 03-26-2014, 04:53 PM   #31
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It's disappointing that the guy comes here to ask about the towing and then rejects the 14 or so posts that tell him it's a bad idea to tow that much with his short wheelbase.
It sounds to me like he wanted everybody to say, "Yeah dude, you'll be fine. Don't worry about it."
Not at all. The only money I've spent so far was for the Reese weight distribution system, which was recommended by the RV dealership and another guy on my street with a JK pulling a 22 footer. I'm not rejecting any advice, just trying to get as much input as possible. I have people I'm meeting in person and speaking on the phone with first hand experience that say one thing, then a few guys on here saying the exact opposite. I value input from the ones that have done it before and have valid advice. There are lots of variables and each setup + trip is very different (elec brakes or not, weight equalizer?, camper length/weight, speed, hills, etc) - can't compare apples to oranges. I've been driving a Jeep for over 20 years and have yet to be in an accident (other than a honda rear-ending me at a stoplight while texting). I'm a VERY safe driver. Just trying to sort through the suggestions from the guys with experience and the trolls w/out a tow hitch throwing their 2cents in. Thank you to the ones that know what they're talking about, I will give updates as things progress!

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Not at all. The only money I've spent so far was for the Reese weight distribution system, which was recommended by the RV dealership and another guy on my street with a JK pulling a 22 footer. I'm not rejecting any advice, just trying to get as much input as possible. I have people I'm meeting in person and speaking on the phone with first hand experience that say one thing, then a few guys on here saying the exact opposite. I value input from the ones that have done it before and have valid advice. There are lots of variables and each setup + trip is very different (elec brakes or not, weight equalizer?, camper length/weight, speed, hills, etc) - can't compare apples to oranges. I've been driving a Jeep for over 20 years and have yet to be in an accident (other than a honda rear-ending me at a stoplight while texting). I'm a VERY safe driver. Just trying to sort through the suggestions from the guys with experience and the trolls w/out a tow hitch throwing their 2cents in. Thank you to the ones that know what they're talking about, I will give updates as things progress!
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There are lots of variables and each setup + trip is very different (elec brakes or not, weight equalizer?, camper length/weight, speed, hills, etc) - can't compare apples to oranges.
Open your eyes the math does not lie no matter what the setup is.. your starting off already 500lbs over the tow rating.. and when all is said and done your running about 1200lbs beyond what it can safely tow... Go rent a full size truck and call it a day.

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Old 03-26-2014, 05:20 PM   #33
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Thank you to the ones that know what they're talking about, I will give updates as things progress!
Your welcome! I have towed a trailer from Alaska to Missouri with my Jeep. It was appropriate weight and I didn't endanger anyone. I also towed a boat I used to have a lot. Just because the forum members here are offering you free good advice does not make them trolls lol. If I was an RV dealer selling you stuff to make your trip safer I would have lots of biased advice. Here you are getting free honest advice from many long time Jeep owners that sound to me to have tons of towing experience as well. I hope everything works out and nothing bad happens.
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Worst feeling in the world was coming up to that first stop sign with my F150 towing my in-laws overweight camper and realizing there was no way I was going to make that stop. Luckily there was nobody else around when the trailer pushed me out into the intersection. The rest of the trip (2 hrs total) was made at slow speeds giving myself PLENTY of stopping distance at lights and signs.
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I pulled a 29 foot trailer with a F250 diesel. Got into a crossed wind that lasted all day, pushing us all over the road and almost flipped us a couple times. We were several thousand pounds under our towing capacity. Worrst driving experience of my life. Good luck and hope for no wind on your trip.
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I have a 19' pop up when closed weighing 3300lbs and a dodge 2500 king cab I tow it with and there have been times when I've been cut off or hit some big bumps or patches of rough road n it tossed my truck around pretty good. Couldn't imagine being in that situation being I'm my jeep with a trailer weighing more than max SAFE tow rating. My camper is prob only half the rating for my truck maybe less. If I was in a jeep I definatly would've rolled it with the weight ratio you are talking about. Can it b done yes but is it worth it??? You can b the safest driver in the world but that doesn't stop some jerk from cutting you off n jamming on the brakes all of a sudden.
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I have a 01 tj drove from texas to lake city colorado with a trailer 2 1500 lbs atv had no problem
Just when u start getting to the moutains then I ha loss of power and breaking was harder but u got to play it smart.

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I have a 01 tj drove from texas to lake city colorado with a trailer 2 1500 lbs atv had no problem
Just when u start getting to the moutains then I ha loss of power and breaking was harder but u got to play it smart.

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It's still going to be fine.
I see a lot of people on the hiways with jeeps tj carry these things.
Not a problem.
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Can it pull it yes, can you stop it with EB yes. If for some reason you wreck and you are over the GVWR your insurance will not cover anything. Summer months up here in Ohio the troopers have the rolling scales out and impound both pull vehicles and trailers most targets are the ones pulling campers.
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Anyone think it would be wrong to call highway patrol if you seen this? Like if you seen some drunk disregarding the publics safety driving around.
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Snatches gets stitches. Long skinny pedal and get the hell out of the way. I used to pull my 27' TT with a quadcab Dakota legally and get pulled over all the time. I'm sure it would be only a matter of time.
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Anyone think it would be wrong to call highway patrol if you seen this? Like if you seen some drunk disregarding the publics safety driving around.
If you're one of "those people" that calls the cops every time they see a law being broken... In this case lets say an older couple in a Honda CR-V towing their 18 foot travel camper near Disney, you better have unlimited minutes on your cell phone plan. Florida is full of them. The highway patrol would probably just get annoyed because now they have to investigate, taking their time and attention away from more serious matters.

ps. And regarding your other comment... "Just because the forum members here are offering you free good advice does not make them trolls lol." You took my words out of context, that's not what I was implying. I was sorting between those offering advice with experience versus those who were just throwing in their 2cents. If you don't even own a tow hitch, have no experience in the subject matter, and all you have to offer is sarcastic or insulting opinions...then yes, you are a troll.
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I would rather be one of "those people" I guess. Better than my kid getting killed or watching the news in the evening and seeing the stupid contraption I watched go by killed a family. Luckily I have never seen one of you people. I don't live in Florida. Y'all are rare in Missouri. Good luck man.
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I would think going 50 mph on the interstate will incite some major road rage and make your trip pure hell.
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Old 03-26-2014, 08:49 PM   #46
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Ok I think everyone has gotten their point across. I got the advice I was looking for. Appreciate it.

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I am one of the Forum Staff on one of the popular RV forum sites, and I can tell you from experience that I know of no one on that forum that would recommend that you tow a vehicle over the factories recommended tow rating. It's not safe, and definitely not worth the risk. RV dealers will tell you just about anything to get you to buy a particular model and are well known to fix people up with more trailer than their tow vehicles can safely handle. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the math and physics don't lie.
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Guys, two phrases come to mind at this point... We are both shouting into the wind and beating the proverbial dead horse. We made our case & he chose to ignore our advice. I'm done here, it turned out to be a waste of my time.
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Jerry - no one ignored your advice. I haven't even bought the camper yet. All advice has been taken into consideration. And yes you are right about the dead horse, I even posted that emoticon above. Again, thank you to everyone with experience that chimed in.
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I am one of the Forum Staff on one of the popular RV forum sites, and I can tell you from experience that I know of no one on that forum that would recommend that you tow a vehicle over the factories recommended tow rating. It's not safe, and definitely not worth the risk. RV dealers will tell you just about anything to get you to buy a particular model and are well known to fix people up with more trailer than their tow vehicles can safely handle. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the math and physics don't lie.
Yes, this horse is dead, but I just found the glue factory. I one hundred percent agree that your TJ can pull that trailer, probably a lot more with the upgrades you have in mind. I don't think anyone is disputing that. You've bought a weight distribution hitch, have plans for electric brakes and upgrades to make your tow rig run cooler. You seem to be logical in your thinking and researched how you will safely make this happen.

On final piece of preparation you may have overlooked, and I would strongly suggest. Please have the RV dealer provide you with signed documentation that all the upgrades you have bought and installed do make your TJ capable of towing this particular trailer. This RV dealer seems knowledgeable and capable of looking out for your safety and the people on the road with you. They will obviously have no problem in standing behind the products and services they are selling you, in writing, absolving you from any potential liability. IF they will not provide that documentation, please think of why they won't.
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Yes, this horse is dead, but I just found the glue factory. I one hundred percent agree that your TJ can pull that trailer, probably a lot more with the upgrades you have in mind. I don't think anyone is disputing that. You've bought a weight distribution hitch, have plans for electric brakes and upgrades to make your tow rig run cooler. You seem to be logical in your thinking and researched how you will safely make this happen.

On final piece of preparation you may have overlooked, and I would strongly suggest. Please have the RV dealer provide you with signed documentation that all the upgrades you have bought and installed do make your TJ capable of towing this particular trailer. This RV dealer seems knowledgeable and capable of looking out for your safety and the people on the road with you. They will obviously have no problem in standing behind the products and services they are selling you, in writing, absolving you from any potential liability. IF they will not provide that documentation, please think of why they won't.
And what if something were to happen and the insurance discovers that the boat exceeds the towing capacity of the Jeep? Then he, and possibly the victims are SOL. No RV dealer would be dumb enough to accept liability for such a thing either....or would they?

Still, he got the advice he asked for, and it is up to him if he wants to take the risk.
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Not at all. The only money I've spent so far was for the Reese weight distribution system, which was recommended by the RV dealership and another guy on my street with a JK pulling a 22 footer. I'm not rejecting any advice, just trying to get as much input as possible. I have people I'm meeting in person and speaking on the phone with first hand experience that say one thing, then a few guys on here saying the exact opposite. I value input from the ones that have done it before and have valid advice. There are lots of variables and each setup + trip is very different (elec brakes or not, weight equalizer?, camper length/weight, speed, hills, etc) - can't compare apples to oranges. I've been driving a Jeep for over 20 years and have yet to be in an accident (other than a honda rear-ending me at a stoplight while texting). I'm a VERY safe driver. Just trying to sort through the suggestions from the guys with experience and the trolls w/out a tow hitch throwing their 2cents in. Thank you to the ones that know what they're talking about, I will give updates as things progress!
I hear what you're saying, it can be difficult to sort through everybody's input.
I personally have around 15 years experience towing boats and car haulers, but I have zero "0" experience pulling any overweight trailers.
About the closest I get is just over half of the tow vehicles rated capacity.
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Not sure it matters who's who, and there's not much evidence to make a judgement of "trolls vs knowledgeable people". I've been towing toys for over 20 years but it doesn't matter here because like dude said, I don't push the limits. I will be towing a 19' Alumaweld with my LJ though.
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I will be towing a 19' Alumaweld with my LJ though.
And I tow this bad boy with my TJ almost weekly!

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And I tow this bad boy with my TJ almost weekly! 40-1/2" x 48" Small Utility Trailer - 1090 Lb. Cargo Capacity
I've seen a lot of people here build on that platform. It seems to do well.
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It's really not bad! I was sort of joking since it's such a tiny little thing, but I've found it surprisingly versatile.

It's so small there really is no way to exceed the weight rating. It's very short as well, meaning I can maneuver it easily on most trails. Only downer is trying back up with it. I have found it flat out impossible being so short. But it's so light I just un-hitch & drag it around wherever I want.

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Just get a Class A motorhome and flat tow the Jeep behind it. And no I don't have six figures to loan you.
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OP, have you looked at the new tear drop trailers that are available? There is some really nice ones that can even be taken off road. They are much more suited for pulling with a Jeep.
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Yup, don't like 'em lol. It's actually going to be me, my son, and the dog. So after some heavy pondering and taking all the feedback in here into consideration, I've decided to go with the smallest possible travel camper I can find. It has to be enclosed and have the basics (shower/toilet, fridge, bunks). It's going to be very tough to find one under 2k lbs though. Found a few around 2200 lbs but thats dry weight....the search continues.
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I know this is not the same, but I towed my 05 TJ from NC to Maine and back behind a small 26, Winnie with a Patriot brake system on the Jeep. I don't care what anyone says it's not easy; what makes it not fun or easy is every other ahole driver who don't give a damn about you. Good luck Bro

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