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Old 02-13-2009, 08:47 AM   #1
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Trackbar question

When I turn my steering wheel, the track bar moves up and down about 1/2". When I turn the wheel, the rubber piece will go flat and then drops back down. Is this a problem?
The pic is of my stock one from a while back, but gives an idea of where Im talking about.

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Old 02-13-2009, 09:39 AM   #2
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Yes, that is a problem. My aftermarket trackbar was doing thins because I didnt tighten it all the way. After I tightened it, my loose steering went away along with the popping sounds and occasional DW.

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Old 02-13-2009, 10:37 AM   #3
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The rod end might be shot. Grab your track bar and try wiggling it. You should really only be able to twist it back and forth, any other movement isn't good.
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I have an adj track bar (RK) it doesn't move at all and yours should not either, adj or not. Yeah its a problem.
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It is a new track bar (adj. from FT came with lift, the pic is when I had stock). I thought I tightened down when I installed it but it may have come loose. The axle side is tight, no movement there. I also noticed when I went to grease it, it wouldn't really take grease. Kept popping off the fitting and was only able to get a little grease in it. Thanks for the help.
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I'd say you didn't get the castle nut tight on top. It should not move.
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If it won't take grease, it was twisted off center when you tighted it. Pull the cotter pin, loosen the nut a bit, pivot the link until it perpendicular, re-tighten and grease it. If it takes grease and doesn't move, insert a NEW cotter pin into the crown nut and you should be good to go.

Grease it until the dam fills and just starts seeping out the escape. If you have rips/tears, you might want to replace the end with a new one.
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If it won't take grease, it was twisted off center when you tighted it. Pull the cotter pin, loosen the nut a bit, pivot the link until it perpendicular, re-tighten and grease it. If it takes grease and doesn't move, insert a NEW cotter pin into the crown nut and you should be good to go.

Grease it until the dam fills and just starts seeping out the escape. If you have rips/tears, you might want to replace the end with a new one.
I loosend the nut all the way but was unable to pivot the link, It wouldn't even budge a millimeter. I tightened it back up, but it wouldnt go anymore then what it was already. I still cant get it to take grease though. I must have installed it wrong or something, it doesnt look right. Tomorrow Ill take a pic of it, maybe someone can diagnose it for me. If my camera takes video, Ill try to show what its doing, maybe someone can diagnose it for me. I hope this is the problem with the wobbeling at 40-45 mph, but this Jeep has been doing this even before I put this lift in, even with different tires. Im lost.
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It may be the problem. Take a pic or two and we'll look at it. You may need to disconnect the steering, hammer the ends out and buy a new one (or three) and re-do it.
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when I turn the steering wheel to the left (sitting in the seat left) it goes up and flattens out the rubber boot. I can not get it any tighter.
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Ok, loosen the nut again, and give that thing a few smacks with a BFH (hammer). When it's loose, you should be able to rotate it a bit. You want that post on the end line up in the pitman arm so it's perpendicular.

Then, it should take grease and stop all the noise/DW issues you are having.

I don't know how long it's been on there, so the end may be done and needing to be replaced. If so, buy a new one, make sure you get a new crown nut with it, turn the old crown nut upside down and thread it on the old end and whack that thing with a BFH until it comes free. If that steering has been on for a long time, you may need some PB Blast on the threads to remove the end.

When you put the new end on, ensure you get it on straight and it's taking grease.

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One more thing:

I don't think you need that drop pitman arm. See the comments in this link:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/drop...ghlight=Pitman

Also, it looks like something (brake line maybe) is routed over the top of the drag link. I can't tell for sure what that is, but I think it needs to be re-routed out of the way of the steering and higher so it doesn't snag on anything.
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I installed evrything about 6 months ago. I loosend it up last night, tried to get it to move but it wouldnt, then tightened the hell out of it. It doesnt look like its on right to me, but then again, Im not sure how its supposed to look. Thanks for your help even though Im a royal PITA about this. Im not sure how the adjustment is supposed to be set. The directions said 9/16"s thread showing, and my axle is centered but it looks as if the trackbar is running downhill. By perpendicular to the pitman arm, can you explain to me what I should be looking for? Im a little confussed on that.
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Notice that the pitman arm end and the drag link end don't look like the pitman arm angle keeps going. If it's loose, you should be able to rotate the drag link end (unless it's shot).

Also, that hose in your pic is the front diff breather tube. I recommend you route that aft, and up and away up into the firewall area and away from your steering.
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what track bar are you running? I dont have a dpa, its all factory. If i grab the drag link, I can rotate it back and forth, I guess thats normal from Ive been told. I should move the hose, had no probs with it.....yet. but the way my luck goes, Im sure I will.

How are the JKS quicker discos? I was looking to get a set but it said required welding and I have no access to a welder or a machine. My links are garbage.
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The reason I know exactly what you are up against is I just installed my Currie HD drag link and tie rod a couple weeks ago and the first attempt to grease the drag link end gave me exactly what you are getting now.

The track bar is from Fabtech, part of the 6" long arm lift.

I LOVE those JKS discos!! For the money, the best thing I've done to my junk! No welding required with the JKS quicker discos. You may need to drill a (I believe) 5/16ths hole into the frame to mount the discos when you are disconnected, but no welding.
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thanks for the info. Thanks for all your help too, much appreciated. Im gonna give it another shot tonight and see if I can correct this problem. I also noticed that my driver side front tire is facing out a little bit, so Ill get that fixed to.
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what track bar are you running? I dont have a dpa, its all factory. If i grab the drag link, I can rotate it back and forth, I guess thats normal from Ive been told. I should move the hose, had no probs with it.....yet. but the way my luck goes, Im sure I will.

How are the JKS quicker discos? I was looking to get a set but it said required welding and I have no access to a welder or a machine. My links are garbage.
Wait, I missed something.

Maybe I can't see all of the pitman arm in the pics but that sure looks like a DPA. Look at my pitman arm. Does your's look like that? Mine is dropped. The stocker will have a very mild angle from the steering box to the link.
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Wait, I missed something.

Maybe I can't see all of the pitman arm in the pics but that sure looks like a DPA. Look at my pitman arm. Does your's look like that? Mine is dropped. The stocker will have a very mild angle from the steering box to the link.
That looks like a DPA to me to, it sure doesn't look stock.

His FT lift doesn't come with one so I'm not sure.
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Stock, never took the drag link off, just changed the track bar


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Stock, never took the drag link off, just changed the track bar


Yeah that's stock for sure, must have been a bad angle in the other picture. Did you get that control arm replaced yet?
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Havent changed it yet, still waiting for the funds to come. My swaybar links came loose the other day (the torx bolt that holds to the axle was almost falling out) tightened them up and the clanging noise went away. I still have a poppong sound when making turns and when I hit potholes at lower speeds. I also cant figure out the wobble at 40-45 mph. Rides smooth from 0-40 and 45-70, (not sure above 70 because the fastest I drive on highway is 68)
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Havent changed it yet, still waiting for the funds to come. My swaybar links came loose the other day (the torx bolt that holds to the axle was almost falling out) tightened them up and the clanging noise went away. I still have a poppong sound when making turns and when I hit potholes at lower speeds. I also cant figure out the wobble at 40-45 mph. Rides smooth from 0-40 and 45-70, (not sure above 70 because the fastest I drive on highway is 68)

Might be from the lift, did you drop the transfer case down an inch? If not you may be able to throw a couple washers in between the skid and the frame, you probably don't need the full inch.

Kinda strange your control arm bushing died so early, how many miles are on your Jeep?
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yeah, its dropped plus I have 1" mml. 49k on the jeep now. My wife should be home from work soon, Im gonna try to take a video of what Im talking about and I have no clue how to use the camera.. It may be better then a pic.
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Even with the tcase drop, mml, I still have a vibration (shifter wobbles side to side) when I take off but goes away in 2nd gear.
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Heres a video of what Im talking about. This look normal?

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What's the deal, man??

I didn't hear your Elton John CD playing in the background of your video this time.


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Listen really closely, Clay Akin and Elton John's 'Dont Let Your Son Go Down On Me' is playing there somewhere.
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Im sitting here watching an old Judas Priest Turbo Lover video on VH1 classics. God that was awful
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