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Old 03-23-2014, 11:16 AM   #1
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Trying to figure out a good lift to get.

I know this has to be one of the most commonly asked topics, but I'm planning on getting a lift kit for my TJ real soon and need some help.
Doing the work isn't a problem, I'm more then capable.
I've never had a lifted vehicle before..... Only lowered cars.

This jeep is my daily driver.
I plan on putting 33" tires on it, most likely won't ever go larger.
Main usage will be on road driving but will get its fair share of off road trail riding.
I don't want a body lift.
I'm thinking a 3"- 4" Suspension lift. . Dont want to have to do alot of modification so iI would prefer a bolt on kit.
Budget is going to be no more then $700

Can anyone make good suggestions on a lift kit?
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Old 03-23-2014, 11:44 AM   #2
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Skyjacker has a nice 4 inch lift. Really simple, just basic lift parts. Around $550ish.
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:30 PM   #3
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Ok, I'll have to look at that one.
Thanks!
I wonder if it can be ordered without shocks, I originally wanted to get bilsteins.....
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Any idea which would be better out of the 4" skyjacker or the 4" rough country?
I see the skyjacker comes with the pitman arm, but that's not a big deal
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4" of additional clearance is recommended for 33" tires. That said, 4" is the magic height for a suspension lift where you also need to install an expensive SYE (slip yoke eliminator) kit and CV (constant velocity) driveshaft for the rear. That is because 4" and taller lifts create such a steep angle for the rear driveshaft's u-joints that they vibrate badly and you can't really completely get rid of the vibrations by anything inexpensive.

So the solution is to go for a 3" suspension lift plus a 1" (no taller) body lift. That will eliminate the need for the SYE kit and CV driveshaft and save you a bunch of $$$. You'll still have to do a few things to eliminate the vibrations caused by even a 3" suspension lift but they are much simpler and not nearly as expensive.

You will need longer shocks even for a 3" suspension lift.

Finally, a body lift only lifts the body up from the frame, it does not affect the u-joint angles mentioned above. A suspension lift lifts everything up higher off the axles by taller suspension springs so it steepens the driveshaft angles. The front driveshaft's angle is much less affected however because it is much longer than the rear driveshaft which is very short... and thus affected more by suspension lift height.
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Any idea which would be better out of the 4" skyjacker or the 4" rough country? I see the skyjacker comes with the pitman arm, but that's not a big deal
I'm sure you can order it without, I'm a SkyJacker fan. But to each his own.
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Awesome info. Thanks
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Any thought on just a 3" Suspension and 33's?
Or is the 1 in body also needed for more articulation room?
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I know this has to be one of the most commonly asked topics, but I'm planning on getting a lift kit for my TJ real soon and need some help. Doing the work isn't a problem, I'm more then capable. I've never had a lifted vehicle before..... Only lowered cars. This jeep is my daily driver. I plan on putting 33" tires on it, most likely won't ever go larger. Main usage will be on road driving but will get its fair share of off road trail riding. I don't want a body lift. I'm thinking a 3"- 4" Suspension lift. . Dont want to have to do alot of modification so iI would prefer a bolt on kit. Budget is going to be no more then $700 Can anyone make good suggestions on a lift kit? Thanks.
http://zoneoffroad.com/zone-offroad-...angler/j10-j11

Just recently put a 4" lift from zone on my TJ, really impressed with it and have had no issues. I was exactly the same, didn't wanna spend ton of money on lift, and I did my research and saw that zone is a little bit of better quality in a nice little lift, with all the parts you need and definitely can't beat for the price! Good luck!
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you are basically setting up like mine. i dont want more then a 33" tire for a few reasons but the biggest one being a back injury so i cant climb up in to a high rise every day all day .

i have 31" tires now on mine with nothing more then a buget boost.
sounds crazy but this is a cheap easy way to get the tires you want under it and gives you more ground clearnece. im also not a fan of the body lifts.

however the BB and some controll arms that are adjustable will give me what im looking for in height and also allow me the flex i want. eventually i will do better springs .and you can do the JK spring convertion cheap!
with the BB you can get a 32" tire with out thinking of it and most likley the 33" with out any rubbing.

i have done a lot of talking with others and folks that put lifts on and have been told the same thing.
after about 3" of lift you get a better chance of the death wobble so keep it in mind also.

just remeber in a lift you get what you pay for and you are better off getting one later then Now. if it req. a cheap lift.
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Don't get a skyjacker lift unless you want to replace it in a year. Rough Country is also bottom of the barrel.

As Jerry said, anything that involves a 4" all suspension lift is either going to require a huge transfer case drop, or installing an SYE, adjustable rear CA's, and double cardan drive shaft to eliminate drive line vibes.

In your price range, one of the best bang for the buck lifts going would be the Zone 4.25 combo lift which includes a 3" suspension lift, a 1.25" body lift, and a 1" motor mount lift. Because it couples the mml with a 3" suspension lift, there is no transfer case drop or sye required. The 1.25" body lift is barely noticeable, but gets you the extra clearance to run 33's. If you add an adjustable front track bar, you don't have to re-locate the track bar mounting hole in the axle bracket. It's a great lift for the money, and unlike the skyjacker or rough country it uses the stock ca's which are much superior to the fixed solid lower ca's those kits come with.

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Mine is due in on Tuesday. I did a lot of research on this and think it is the best choice without doing a SYE.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:09 AM   #13
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Thanks for all the info guys.
I just hope it's all not too much of a pita to install
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Are the alignment cams needed for a 3" lift?
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Between the lift and trac bar, is there a better kit I can get for $900?
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The Zone 4.25 is tough to beat for a decent "kit". The adj. track bar is necessary to do it right, (redrilling the mount works, but...) I am not sure if the 4.25 comes with a motor mount lift, if it does not get one also.

Afterwards, you will be set up with most of what you need for a tummy tuck, as all you'll need is the SYE and skid with a good set of adj. control arms.
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Between the lift and trac bar, is there a better kit I can get for $900?
Nothing that will get you 4" in the air with as much quality, and the least amount of stuff hanging down. The kit on the Zone site is $529, and if you order a Metalcloak track bar, that's another $200. That's only $29 or so over the $700 you said you wanted to spend.

AOR is a vendor on here that sells the Zone kit also, he may be able to help you out.
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Nothing that will get you 4" in the air with as much quality, and the least amount of stuff hanging down. The kit on the Zone site is $529, and if you order a Metalcloak track bar, that's another $200. That's only $29 or so over the $700 you said you wanted to spend.

AOR is a vendor on here that sells the Zone kit also, he may be able to help you out.
Yeah i was just looking at the kit and figured I might also include the nitro shocks and sway bar disconnects so that comes to $611 + $200 for the trac bar.... So there is $811 plus shipping.
From the looks of it, I might end up having a lift budget of $1000, so I just figured I would ask
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Here's AOR's page, you can pm him. Jeep Wrangler Forum - View Profile: AOR
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My father in law just put a zone combo lift on a jeep he is fixing up. It has plenty of room for 33s. He actually put 35s on it because that's what the guy wanted and it has room.
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I just pm'd him
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How did it go from the OP saying he does NOT want a body lift to everyone telling him to get a body lift? There are a lot of us that don't like body lifts. I would never put on a body lift, even if its that 1.25" one you guys seem to be so into. Whoever wants to separate their body from their frame have fun, I'm not one of those people. To the OP, tons of people run a 4" of pure suspension lift, a 4" lift will come with spacers designed to lower the transfer case enough to reduce drive line vibes to an acceptable level until you can afford a sye.
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Ok thanks.
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Does the transfer case have to be pulled to install a sye?
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Does the transfer case have to be pulled to install a sye?
No to both of those questions.
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Would it be a good combo if i just bought:
4" zone suspension lift
Sye kit and the required drive shaft?
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How did it go from the OP saying he does NOT want a body lift to everyone telling him to get a body lift? There are a lot of us that don't like body lifts. I would never put on a body lift, even if its that 1.25" one you guys seem to be so into. Whoever wants to separate their body from their frame have fun, I'm not one of those people. To the OP, tons of people run a 4" of pure suspension lift, a 4" lift will come with spacers designed to lower the transfer case enough to reduce drive line vibes to an acceptable level until you can afford a sye.
The reasons are many. If you install a cheap 4" all suspension lift, you get to drop the already low hanging transfer case skid at least an additional 1 1/2" which kind of defeats the whole purpose. You also get to use the longer fixed ca's which come with the cheap 4" kits and are very much inferior to the stock arms. So you wind up with a 4" lift with a low belly and a lot worse road manners.

A 3" lift with a 1"-1.25" bl allows you to keep the steering geometry that much closer to stock, and use the factory arms and bushings. By using the motor mount lift it eliminates the need for a tc drop or sye, and along with the body lift, sets you up if you ever want to do a tummy tuck. Plus it raises your engine oil pan up an inch.

We're not trying to change his mind, just give him options that he might not have considered. If he had the $'s to spend to do a good 4" all suspension lift with 8 adjustable ca's, new track bars, sye, etc, that's a different story.
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Would it be a good combo if i just bought:
4" zone suspension lift
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Yes, but you would also need rear adjustable control arms (to be able to adjust your pinion angle) and an angled rear track bar bracket.
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Between the lift and trac bar, is there a better kit I can get for $900?
Skyjacker has better lifts. For crawling. Try the Rock Ready 3" you may like it better
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Skyjacker has better lifts. For crawling. Try the Rock Ready 3" you may like it better
Skyjacker has better lifts for crawling? You must not get out much, because their stuff is the last thing I would run anywhere. bottom of the barrel as far as components.

For $900, piece together your own "kit". Remember, it's nothing more than a collection of components, and no "lift kit" is 100% complete. Generally, you'll need to add more stuff on top of what you see....so piece it together yourself.

Take a look at Old Man Emu, Bilstein, BDS, Savvy and Currie for components. Do your homework on the suspension, steering, brakes and drivetrain parts necessary.

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