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Old 11-03-2010, 04:38 PM   #1
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Angry ugh :/ camber

this is agravating the crap out of me. went and had an alignment yesterday, they could not help my camber. when I left the camber was, -2.1 on the left front and -1.5 on the right front. How do I fix this, it makes me mad eveeytime I look at it. /------\ how much will it cost. I just noticed it the other day, after a little playing in some wash outs, there was nothing bad that I was going thru,
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:09 PM   #2
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I know some of you guru's can help....

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I don't know much about camber but if we keep bumping it up to the top of the recent threads then someone who does should see it soon
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:37 PM   #4
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I don't know much about camber but if we keep bumping it up to the top of the recent threads then someone who does should see it soon
Thats what Im talkin about,
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:17 PM   #5
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adjustable ball joints.I dont know about the numbers,but with a live front axle,there isnt any adjustment stock,but the camber should be O.k unless the axle is bent or a ball joint is bad.
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Yep, stock TJ alighnment is toe in only.
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:23 PM   #7
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Thanks guys, I just read some really good post and articles by searching the forum, guess o should have done that before making a new thread.
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adjustable ball joints.I dont know about the numbers,but with a live front axle,there isnt any adjustment stock,but the camber should be O.k unless the axle is bent or a ball joint is bad.

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Thanks guys, I just read some really good post and articles by searching the forum, guess o should have done that before making a new thread.
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Just glad to hear that folks are using the search function. It's full of good info.
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We have a search function?

Wait, I'm searching for it...
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My shop is going to install new bolts similar to these in the link. My LJ steers to the left and the shop seems to think its a camber problem. Will know if it helps Friday.

Auto Parts and Accessories Catalog - 2005 jeep wrangler skyjacker camber and alignment kit - 2005 Jeep Wrangler Skyjacker Camber and Alignment Kit
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Old 11-04-2010, 12:10 AM   #13
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The bolt kit link you provided PROVES they haven't a clue.
They adjust CASTER, NOT CAMBER! They simply rotate the axle fore and aft a little.
Camber is the outward or inward tilt of the wheel.

Slight adjustment of camber can be made with offset ball joints. Your alignment shop should know that. Yours isn't too far out, offset ball joints should be able to correct it.

Caution - some shops will tell you they can adjust it by bending!
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Before doing anything else, check to make sure the hub bearings are not loose (almost the same as wheel bearings.) Loose can make it appear to have too much negative camber.

Otherwise the only cure is replacement of the knuckles and/or the axle tubes -- $$$$$.

Have you been jumping it?
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replace all front bearings.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:18 AM   #15
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Thanks fellas, I am going to check the ball joints, u joints and bearings today. The jeep has 60k miles on it, so they may be due for a change. Prior to me, the only offroading the jeep had done was at the beach.
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:47 PM   #16
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Checked the ball joints today, they have no movement. What to look for next, u joints, and bearings.
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We have a search function?

Wait, I'm searching for it...
Yep, just used it to answer a VIN question.
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Are you sure it's got negative camber?
Stand in front of it, back about 30 feet. Look at the front tires -

Does the bottom of the tires seem to be wider apart than the top?
Careful, the body makes it look like it.

If yes, park on level cement - use a stick long enough to touch both top and bottom of the tire - hold it against the tire top and bottom while holding a protractor against it. Crude, but it will show you the difference between side to side. Compare side to side.

Look at the tire wear - if the tires have been on it for over 500 miles with negative camber, the inside of the tire will show more wear than the outside. Put your hand flat across the tire tread, leave it there a moment, you'll feel it if its worn crooked.

-2.5 isn't alot, it shouldn't make a huge difference in handling.

Loose hub bearings can be the culprit too, jack it up the front, put a prybar under a front wheel to lift it up - if you can wiggle it - it's loose.

Most Jeeps "look" like they have negative camber, but they don't. I'm wondering about the alignment shop's accuracy.

Hopefully it' not bad enough to worry about.

At your low mileage, and if it's never been jumped or rode hard, and no accidents, and ball joints and bearings are not loose then I wouldn't worry about it. It takes an awful lot of force to bend a steering knuckle. And both are bent?

You can correct it - if it's really out and worrying you - with the adjustable ball joints - it's just a pain in the tail to put them in. Before going to that trouble, I'd get another shop to check the camber too.

Any handling problems as it is? Pull? Wander? etc.
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Are you sure it's got negative camber?
Stand in front of it, back about 30 feet. Look at the front tires -

Does the bottom of the tires seem to be wider apart than the top?
Careful, the body makes it look like it.

If yes, park on level cement - use a stick long enough to touch both top and bottom of the tire - hold it against the tire top and bottom while holding a protractor against it. Crude, but it will show you the difference between side to side. Compare side to side.

Look at the tire wear - if the tires have been on it for over 500 miles with negative camber, the inside of the tire will show more wear than the outside. Put your hand flat across the tire tread, leave it there a moment, you'll feel it if its worn crooked.

-2.5 isn't alot, it shouldn't make a huge difference in handling.

Loose hub bearings can be the culprit too, jack it up the front, put a prybar under a front wheel to lift it up - if you can wiggle it - it's loose.

Most Jeeps "look" like they have negative camber, but they don't. I'm wondering about the alignment shop's accuracy.

Hopefully it' not bad enough to worry about.

At your low mileage, and if it's never been jumped or rode hard, and no accidents, and ball joints and bearings are not loose then I wouldn't worry about it. It takes an awful lot of force to bend a steering knuckle. And both are bent?

You can correct it - if it's really out and worrying you - with the adjustable ball joints - it's just a pain in the tail to put them in. Before going to that trouble, I'd get another shop to check the camber too.

Any handling problems as it is? Pull? Wander? etc.
It def. has negative camber, you can see it /------\ , also when I first noticed it the steering wheel was a 1/4 off. Thats when I went to alignment shop (NTB) fixed the alignment, but said they could'nt help the camber. The jeep has never been abused, but I am fixing to put some more tires on it, but I dont want to if its going to tear them up. As far as wandering, well I dont know if its the jeep or the wind. Also I want to say that the passenger side front is about an inch lower than the left front. I promise I am not a weirdo I just like my things to be right....
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Tire wear?

Well, you know what to do now, not much left.

Check the hub bearings, replace the ball joints with adjustables.
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One more guys, I also noticed that the jeep wanders all over. Hold the wheel straight, it will drift left then right.
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One more guys, I also noticed that the jeep wanders all over. Hold the wheel straight, it will drift left then right.

Have you checked tire pressure?

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