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Old 01-13-2014, 08:53 PM   #1
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Upgrades for installing a winch?

Today I heard something about upgrading the alternator when installing a winch. I haven't heard this before so I thought I should ask. I tried to research it, but can't find much. Also, are there any suggestions as to upgrade to battery or anything else to help support a winch? Thanks in advance!

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I have a single optima yellow top and a stock alternator and everything works great. I think it would work great if I still had my factory battery. I think anytime there are upgrades available it leads some to believe there must be a need. Heck I would worry more about a high power alternator jacking up my computer.

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I was thinking of the yellow top. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't I was out of the loop on. Thank you!
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Jerry touts one sears sells I think it's a platinum or something. I bet it's a great battery too. Might search about it. I have 7 years on my Optima. And will buy again when it fails I love it.
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I run my winch on stock alternator and stock battery. I have always just left jeep running while winching.
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As long as your battery is rated at the CCA or cold cranking amps wanted by your winch, you will be fine. My winch wanted a 650 CCA or larger battery. Just allow time during long winching sessions for the alternator to catch up and charge your battery.
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Ive heard that that optima was bought out and their batteries are crap now. That said im running the Diehard platinum p4 from sears that was recommended to me by everyone here and its been a dream. Im running a stock alternator too. i winched on the stock battery a few times and i just didn't feel comfortable trusting it making it work so much harder.
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Ive heard that that optima was bought out and their batteries are crap now. That said im running the Diehard platinum p4 from sears that was recommended to me by everyone here and its been a dream. Im running a stock alternator too. i winched on the stock battery a few times and i just didn't feel comfortable trusting it making it work so much harder.
Good to know! Thanks!
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Ive heard that that optima was bought out and their batteries are crap now. That said im running the Diehard platinum p4 from sears that was recommended to me by everyone here and its been a dream. Im running a stock alternator too. i winched on the stock battery a few times and i just didn't feel comfortable trusting it making it work so much harder.
I don't know if they were bought out. But if they were doesn't mean they changed manufacturing. I bought a new yellow top for my wife's ram when the factory failed last winter and it is identical to and working as awesome as my 7 year old one. There is more than one good battery lol. I don't know of any cool new battery technology in years
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I've had the same red top in my 69 Chevy since November of 04 and it's gone from a dd to storage 3 times but that's 80000 miles and some drastic cold weather cranks like 30 below last year and it's still holding strong, never seen a charger.
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The Phoenix heat has been known to kill batteries, but I think an optimal will definitely give me more service life.
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I don't know if they were bought out. But if they were doesn't mean they changed manufacturing. I bought a new yellow top for my wife's ram when the factory failed last winter and it is identical to and working as awesome as my 7 year old one.
Johnson Controls bought Optima Battery and immediately moved Optima's entire manufacturing operation to Mexico. That is when their quality took a serious nose dive, at least in my strongest possible personal opinion. Several Optima warranty collection sites I have spoken to independently said much of the problem is the purity of lead they use now is not what it used to be.

Personally, I had three Optima batteries in a row fail prematurely. Two 34/78 Yellow Tops and one D34M Blue Top. Never again will I waste my $$$ on another Optima.

I've been running the Sears Diehard Platinum 3478-DT about past five years in two different TJs and I'm sold on it. Made by Odyssey, a mil-spec battery manufacturer for the military, the Diehard Platinum (an AGM style battery) is very tough to beat. And the Diehard Platinum Group 34 is nearly 10 lbs. heavier than the Optima Group 34. You can see from the below comparison illustration, there is simply less battery in Optima's spiral cell construction.

Not to mention the Diehard Platinum's much better warranty when compared to Optima's. Optima's warranty is 36 months prorated and 12 months free replacement. The Diehard Platinum's warranty is 100 months and 48 months free replacement.

Camo_it_up, your OE alternator will be fine with a winch. The key to winching is a good heavy-duty battery coupled with proper winch/battery management. Basically that means if you're doing long repetitive winching sessions, give the winch a break once in a while to give the alternator time to put some charge bacj into the battery. And keep the engine RPMs up if winching those long untypical winching sessions. For normal quick winching jobs, don't even worry about it. Heck I've had to winch myself off the trail twice when it was on pure battery power, I couldn't start the engine either of those two times. But when I was ready to start the engine, the battery was still good to start the engine on its own.

Diehard Platinum on the left, the 10 lb. lighter Optima on the right...
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Nice Jerry. Good info. How long ago was this shift to Mexico? Trying to figure out if my last one came from there.

Edit nm. The year old one in wife's truck says made in Mexico on top with ink. My 7 y/o one in my Jeep don't. I'm sold on the Sears one. I will say the military used optimas and this was up till last year when I got out. But made for the military does not mean quality by any means.
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i run my winch on stock alternator and stock battery. I have always just left jeep running while winching.
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I run a yellow top optima on mine .With a stock alternator.8000lb winch
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I have used Odyssey (Hawker) batteries for my last 3 vehicles never had a problem, and you get more battery in the same size as stock. plus they have a better warranty than anybody else, depending on what model.
I would say that you should leave engine running when using winch regardless of what battery or alternator you have. Good luck

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I think of my winch as insurance, don't really need it, but its great to have when you do. Most of my winching is pulling someone else out truthfully. Unless you plan on winching every time your out you should be alright.
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Nice Jerry. Good info. How long ago was this shift to Mexico? Trying to figure out if my last one came from there.

Edit nm. The year old one in wife's truck says made in Mexico on top with ink. My 7 y/o one in my Jeep don't. I'm sold on the Sears one. I will say the military used optimas and this was up till last year when I got out. But made for the military does not mean quality by any means.
Made for military means made by the cheapest bidder. I also know first hand.

Thanks for all the input gents!
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I think of my winch as insurance, don't really need it, but its great to have when you do. Most of my winching is pulling someone else out truthfully. Unless you plan on winching every time your out you should be alright.
I want mine for insurance as well. I do not have many off roaring buddies and go hunting alone a lot and need to have the peace of mind. I've never gotten stuck (knock on wood), but you never know. The desert also has few spots to anchor on, but that's another animal.
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Jerry touts one sears sells I think it's a platinum or something. I bet it's a great battery too. Might search about it. I have 7 years on my Optima. And will buy again when it fails I love it.
I have two of those Sears beast there warranty isn't pro-rated either. It is a 5 year no questions asked warranty.
BTW it is a dry cell with dual post side/top to boot !
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If you want a higher output alternator, check into the factory alternator from a Dodge Dakota 2.5L, same year model as your Jeep. There should be a 136A version that is a direct bolt-up replacement for the 70A or 90A one that came in your Jeep, and it should cost <$150. It won't hurt the computer, either.
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Probably the best upgrade for a winch is the battery. I wouldn't care much about alternator output because it depends on engine rpms. Besides you may not want to do one continuous pull but take short burst letting the winch cool and recharge the battery periodically.
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Just remember also that for a off-road battery it's best to go with a sealed battery. I Prefer AGM type builds they do very well with vibrations. As far as where it's made don't put to much thought into it. Nearly All batteries are made abroad due to EPA and other environmental government agencies. I prefer Mexico. Why not help a neighbor the better off they are the better off we are.
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The Odyssey battery line sold here in the U.S., which is also where the Diehard Platinum line comes from, is made in Warrensburg Missouri.

Here's a made for TV video on their process of making AGM batteries... Modern Marvels Documentary Odyssey Batteries

That video, which also talks about the high quality pure lead used in Odyssey batteries that ups their reliability, reinforced what I was told by several Optima warranty collection points who independently told me that Optima's quality nosedived after the new owners (Johnson Controls) moved Optima's manufacturing to Mexico and went to a less pure form of lead.
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The Odyssey battery line sold here in the U.S., which is also where the Diehard Platinum line comes from, is made in Warrensburg Missouri.

Here's a made for TV video on their process of making AGM batteries... Modern Marvels Documentary Odyssey Batteries

That video, which also talks about the high quality pure lead used in Odyssey batteries that ups their reliability, reinforced what I was told by several Optima warranty collection points who independently told me that Optima's quality nosedived after the new owners (Johnson Controls) moved Optima's manufacturing to Mexico and went to a less pure form of lead.
The "Made in USA" got my attention. I guess this is now on my list of upgrades! Thanks!
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The optima batteries are crap now, I had a made in Mexico crap out in 9 months , it was a 950cca red top for 249 they pro-rated it and want to give me 65$ towards a new one. I left it on the counter and told them To fu<£ off
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As far as how they make em in Mexico I read in a car craft mag that the lead being used is all recycled grade lead vs pure virgin that USA made used to use. I don't care how careful they recycle it it will have impurity in it and the quality suffers
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As far as how they make em in Mexico I read in a car craft mag that the lead being used is all recycled grade lead vs pure virgin that USA made used to use. I don't care how careful they recycle it it will have impurity in it and the quality suffers
There has been some traffic on harvesting lead. It's been heavily restricted and mostly moved out of the country. So recycled lead might be all we get from now on.

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