what's the best locker for me? - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Tech Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 01-06-2011, 06:20 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
what's the best locker for me?

i've been doing some research to find out what's the best locker that will suit me i have 2005 tj i6 6spd 3.73 axle ratio with dana 30 in front and dana 44 in rear i will be running with 33s soon with a 3.5" lift soon i am a daily driver in winter cold season only ( we do get warm temp so i ride ) and will be doing some intermediate trails now is it better to have both front and rear or just rear only but which one? anyone out there can give opinions with their experiences thanks

hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 06:27 PM   #2
IITYWTMWYBMAB

WF Supporting Member
::WF Administrator::
 
4Jeepn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Florence, KY
Posts: 9,966
Images: 5
ARB would be my vote. Gives most control and very strong product. Also costs the most. Both front are rear would be great, but if I could only install it in one I would go rear.

__________________
79.96.85.00.01.97.00.97.93.97.95.94
CJ.XJ.CJ. TJ. TJ.ZJ. TJ.TJ. ZJ.ZJ.YJ. XJ
4Jeepn is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 06:33 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
but which spline? and why did you chose arb over the other competitors what's are the good things about it thanks
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 06:52 PM   #4
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
Your rear Dana 44 axle has 30 spline axle shafts, and that is the axle I would definitely lock first.

Locker-wise, especially if you have to drive on icy or snow-covered roads, a selectable locker that allows you to lock/unlock it at will is the way to go. Of the several selectable lockers that are out there including the ARB Air Locker, cable-controlled Ox Locker, and the electrically controlled ECTED locker, I personally would only go for the ARB Air Locker which is essentially bulletproof. The only thing to be wary of when choosing the ARB Air Locker is that the installer has to be experienced installing ARB Air Lockers. Joe-Schmo garage mechanic is not up to what it takes to install an ARB correctly which is key to making it reliable. Installed correctly, they are extremely reliable, STRONG, and the next best thing to sliced bread.

A distant second place is the OX Locker which I'm no fan of due to its cable. Last, and one I wouldn't even consider is the clutch-based ECTED locker whose clutches WILL wear out and it can only be rebuilt by sending it back to the factory.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 07:16 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
thanks jerry for your insight so arb basically is a pneumatic piece of equipment
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 07:23 PM   #6
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj View Post
thanks jerry for your insight so arb basically is a pneumatic piece of equipment
Yep. And it runs on air too.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 07:31 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
you didn't mention detroit locker is it because it's not your cup of tea? thanks
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 07:36 PM   #8
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj View Post
you didn't mention detroit locker is it because it's not your cup of tea? thanks
I LOVE the Detroit Locker, that is what I installed into my last TJ and I put over 100K miles on that Detroit Locker. I wish I had f/r Detroit Lockers instead of the Rubicon lockers I have in my replacement Jeep. I feel the Detroit Locker is ideal for my temperate desert driving conditions.

I didn't recommend the Detroit to the OP because he lives in Maryland where the roads get iced up and covered with snow where a selectable locker is a much better/safer choice.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 08:57 PM   #9
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
detroit locker is it automatic? nevermind i saw the review
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 08:59 PM   #10
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj View Post
detroit locker is it automatic?
Yes, it is fully automatic.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 09:33 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
you don't like ox because of the cable, but how about the performance?
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-06-2011, 11:04 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: So Cal 805
Posts: 920
I am in similar boat as you and I am more than likely going Powertax no slip. Had one in the rear of my XJ and it never gave me trouble or let me down. Cheap way to lock up for those occasional trails and worked ok in snow.
Xjman1 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-07-2011, 08:51 AM   #13
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj View Post
you don't like ox because of the cable, but how about the performance?
Performance? It's a spool when locked and open when unlocked, similar to the ARB and any other selectable locker.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-07-2011, 09:44 AM   #14
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 131
Hey Jerry... what about the truetrac??? I was considering putting a selectable locker in the f/r of my jeep then I got to thinkin... The locker is only usable on the trail and in NY where the trails are tight and wind the lockers would make turning a bit harder. I put the truetrac in the f/r and even tho I have yet to really give them hell, they seem like they add a ton more traction. The other good part is they are also useful on the road.
Rick
__________________
1997 Jeep Wrangler Sport
I6 4.0 Automatic
168,000 miles upon purchase
4" Rough Country Suspension Lift
1-2"? Body Lift
35x12.5x15 Pro Comp Tires
rday78 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-07-2011, 09:48 AM   #15
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
The Truetrac is a limited slip differential and it is superb on an ice or snow-covered road. Where they become nearly useless is offroad when the trail is so uneven that a tire is lifted up enough for it to lose traction. In that situation, a locker rules and a LSD is nearly useless. Whether you go for a locker or LSD depends on what is more important to you.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-07-2011, 10:05 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 131
Well... not sure exactly where hes gunna be wheelin but if its anything like NY its more dirt and mud than rocks... I just liked that it was always helping me rather than having to turn it on and off... I was gunna get an auto-locker but after reading some of the posts on here about winter driving I figured the truetrac was the way to go
Rick
__________________
1997 Jeep Wrangler Sport
I6 4.0 Automatic
168,000 miles upon purchase
4" Rough Country Suspension Lift
1-2"? Body Lift
35x12.5x15 Pro Comp Tires
rday78 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-07-2011, 04:28 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
i will be doing the wheeling around the maryland and virginia area
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 09:30 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
i would like to go with the arb but i can't find any arb installer around the area plus i have this thing that i don't trust anyone to fix anything for me i've been in a lot of situation where i gave it a try but they keep letting me down i am great with tools and following direction so i might just do it myself
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 09:33 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
how about an electric locker? thanks
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 09:45 AM   #20
Jeeper
 
Ageless Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 26,792
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
I personally would only go for the ARB Air Locker which is essentially bulletproof. The only thing to be wary of when choosing the ARB Air Locker is that the installer has to be experienced installing ARB Air Lockers. Joe-Schmo garage mechanic is not up to what it takes to install an ARB correctly which is key to making it reliable. Installed correctly, they are extremely reliable, STRONG, and the next best thing to sliced bread.
Jerry, I want ARBs in my rig. I haven't (yet) been able to locate a 4x4 shop nearby to do the differential work. I was wondering recently what has to be done when installing a pneumatic (or air powered, even ) locker? Does the air hose go through the housing, or the cover?
Ageless Stranger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 09:55 AM   #21
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj
how about an electric locker? thanks
Hey hound I not sure where you are in Maryland but there is a company in burtonsville MD that installs arbs all the time.
08raven is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 10:09 AM   #22
Jeeper
 
hound2005tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: maryland
Posts: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by 08raven View Post
Hey hound I not sure where you are in Maryland but there is a company in burtonsville MD that installs arbs all the time.
what's the company name? thanks
hound2005tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 11:00 AM   #23
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj

what's the company name? thanks
Adrenalin offroad Jeff the owner is a real nice guy.
08raven is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 11:04 AM   #24
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by hound2005tj View Post
i would like to go with the arb but i can't find any arb installer around the area plus i have this thing that i don't trust anyone to fix anything for me i've been in a lot of situation where i gave it a try but they keep letting me down i am great with tools and following direction so i might just do it myself
No, the ARB Air Locker is definitely... MOST definitely... not a product you want to try to install yourself no matter how great you are with tools. There are several areas that require special knowledge and techniques to get it installed properly including a modification to the axle housing so gear lube isn't forced up the vent tube. This is one job that needs to be given to a shop that is specifically very experienced in installing ARB Air Lockers. And not just any lockers, ARB lockers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ageless Stranger View Post
Jerry, I want ARBs in my rig. I haven't (yet) been able to locate a 4x4 shop nearby to do the differential work. I was wondering recently what has to be done when installing a pneumatic (or air powered, even ) locker? Does the air hose go through the housing, or the cover?
The air hose fitting is installed through a hole that is drilled in the upper part of the axle housing. As mentioned above, installing an ARB takes specific ARB experience and training, it's not a job for the inexperienced no matter how proficient the installer may be in other similar work even like installing ring & pinion gears.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 03:55 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Ageless Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 26,792
It's just the differential portion that I need to have done by a pro, right Jerry? I was planning on doing the plumbing and electrical myself.
Ageless Stranger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 04:13 PM   #26
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,367
Images: 2
So long as you route the air hose and electrical up and totally out of the way so they can't get snagged offroad, sure that would be reasonable. Be sure to use ARB's standard air hose and not their extra heavy-duty air hose. Even ARB advises against the use of extra-heavy duty air hose in their FAQ because if it snags, it is strong enough to pull out fittings that are not easily repaired on the trail. If you snag the standard air hose, it is strong but it will snap cleanly before pulling out a fitting which is easily repaired on the trail in 1-2 minutes with ARB's quick splice kit. ARB only started carrying the extra heavy-duty air hose at the insistance of some who can't bring themselves to install standard-duty anything.
__________________
When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 01-08-2011, 04:25 PM   #27
Jeeper
 
computeruser's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: East Lansing, MI
Posts: 811
ARB would be fine, but a good LSD like the T-T should get you along quite nicely on the snowy roads and on reasonable trails, and at substantially less cost than a properly setup ARB and compressor.

If you were building your vehicle for "hardcore" use, well, you probably would already know what you needed and, frankly, wouldn't be asking your questions at this site.

computeruser is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Axle, locker and considered upgrades Akunin TJ General Discussion Forum 14 06-03-2010 02:02 AM
Lockers J1R3D TJ General Discussion Forum 33 02-16-2010 06:02 PM
crash coarse please tbk125 TJ General Discussion Forum 8 12-07-2009 12:36 PM
D30 Axle / ARB Locker Overhaul nicolas-eric TJ Tech Forum 11 09-11-2009 01:20 AM
Front Locker? ChilliRed TJ General Discussion Forum 12 09-25-2006 07:56 PM



» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:56 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC