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Old 01-31-2007, 05:06 PM   #1
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whats the most i can lower my t-case?

whats the most i can lower my t-case?

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After putting in a new lift wouldn't lowering the t-case be defeating the purpose of the lift somewhat. I mean one of the biggest advantages to the lift is ground clearance. You haven't indicated why you need to lower it. I am guessing it is due to vibrations?? Maybe?? If so look at getting a SYE if you don't have one already. Just my thoughts anyway.

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have a little vibes and want to further the tranfer case drop kit with some washers. Just want to know how much i can go or if i can even drop some more. Simple question
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how much have you dropped it so far? And by what means did you drop it?
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its the 1 inch square spacer that comes with the rough country lift. HOW MUCH MORE CAN I GO?????? PLEASE, SOMEONE ANSWER, i want to fix it as soon as possible if i can
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I would do a motor mount lift before I dropped the tcase more.
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the motor mount lift is what my buddy was telling me. will this really help and what the largest motor mount lift i can get thats safe. or any other mount size suggestions would be awesome. If i here good things, ill order tonight. references would be great!
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After putting in a new lift wouldn't lowering the t-case be defeating the purpose of the lift somewhat. I mean one of the biggest advantages to the lift is ground clearance. You haven't indicated why you need to lower it. I am guessing it is due to vibrations?? Maybe?? If so look at getting a SYE if you don't have one already. Just my thoughts anyway.
you have it correct ... Tcase drops are meant to relieve some of the angle on the rear shaft (although they make the angle on the front shaft worse). they fix vibes on most occasions, but the propper fix is an SYE and CV shaft.
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the motor mount lift is what my buddy was telling me. will this really help and what the largest motor mount lift i can get thats safe. or any other mount size suggestions would be awesome. If i here good things, ill order tonight. references would be great!
MMLs are an alternative to TC drops. they both work the same. lower the back, raise the front. 6 one way, half a dozen the other.

MMLs are more work intensive and can cause issues with the fan hitting the fan shroud (if you still run an engine driven fan, electrical fans need not worry, obviously)
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its the 1 inch square spacer that comes with the rough country lift. HOW MUCH MORE CAN I GO?????? PLEASE, SOMEONE ANSWER, i want to fix it as soon as possible if i can
since you already have a 1" drop on it, i would suggest going with the MML. the farther you drop the tcase, the more leverage you put on those bolts. seeing as that crossmember gets beat on pretty heavily, you want to give the bolts as much help as possible but keeping them as short as possible. you really dont want to shear your crossmember bolts on the trail ... i promise.
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Most times people double the motor mount lift with a body lift to keep the fan in check with the fan shroud.

I like JKS products myself. I installed a 1.25" body lift on both my junk and my wifes jeep. I installed the motor mount lift on my wifes but also installed the SYE and DS combo to ease the vibe problem. You can get both from Dirk at DPGOFFROAD.com for a great price.

If you want to get right down to it and do it the correct way I would also suggest you do the SYE and a new double cardan drive shaft.
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so putting the motormount lift would help, what size should i run?
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I would run the 1" motor mount lift.

Just out of curiosity... what exactly have you done with the 4" rough country lift?? I'm not really familiar with that kit. Can you tell me a little bit about it?

What about the condition of the vibe? Is it all the time? Only when you really get into the throttle? Does a certain MPH trigger the vibe?? Have you had your jeep aligned since the lift?
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the rough country lift comes with control arms, sway bar links, trac bar relocation bracket, shocks. transfer case drop kit.
U can just feel a little vibe when i hit about 30 mph, when i go above that speed, it goes away. and the same for under that speed aswell. i have yet to alighn my jeep after the lift. but i know its not vibrating because of the alighnment because the vibration was worse, then i add a couple washers to each bolt of the skid plate, and the vibes are almost gone. The vibes are so small, it doesnt bother me. But having those extra washers on top of the T-case drop does bother me because im pretty sure the t-case should go down that far. So i want to take out those washers and install the motormount lift. What about a 2 inch motor mount lift?
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I don't think you can squeeze a 2" MML without a taller body lift and that is a nono.

What control arms did you get?
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i would just go with a 1" MML .... 2" will fit with a 3" BL, but 2" MML is getting pretty tall and will eat bushings pretty quickly.
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If you have a manual tranny and you lower the transfer case anymore than an inch, you will probably have trouble shifting into Reverse, and possibly 4th or 5th. Especially if you install a body lift. Transfer case drops are the spawn of satan himself.
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If you have a manual tranny and you lower the transfer case anymore than an inch, you will probably have trouble shifting into Reverse, and possibly 4th or 5th. Especially if you install a body lift. Transfer case drops are the spawn of satan himself.
There are ways around that depending on what year jeep you have.

04 and earlier you can bend the shifter which is pretty simple. Some 04 and later you just move the console a bit and you can bend the shifter some.
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I have the OME lift and JKS BL/BMML combo. Before I installed the BL/BMML setup, I used the OME t-case drop that came with the OME kit from DPG. The budget MML from JKS was only about $50.00 IIRC from DPG.

I took that off prior to doing the MML and left the bolts loose. Installed the MML, tightened the transmission bolts/crossmember bolts and the vibes were gone. A 1" MML should be sufficient to alleviate the problem, but if it didn't, then a few washers would probably be fine.

Better to raise the engine to change that angle than to lower the t-case to change that same angle.

As mentioned, a SYE/DS setup with adj control arms is the best way to go, but a LOT pricier too. I'll go to a SYE/DS and adj control arm setup when I do a bellyup (which requires a BL and MML anyway).

Mr. Clifford, you work for DPG or just good friends? I know Eli works for him.

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Mr. Clifford, you work for DPG or just good friends? I know Eli works for him.

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Eli and I don't work for Dirk. He is a one man operation. Dirk gets the both of us to do installs when a customer needs something installed. To put it another way I invited only close family and certain friends to my wedding a couple months back and Dirk was there and Eli was my best man
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Ahh, gotcha. I've called over there a few times and gotten somebody other than Dirk on the phone. Wonder if it was you or Eli..

On a slight hijack, Dirk and DPG have been EXCELLENT to deal with when it has come to my rig's setup. GREAT service - even got Dirk's old sway bar when I found my used TJ didn't have a swaybar on it (before I knew squat about Jeeps). Very personable, professional, and knowledgeable.

Sounds like you have some great friends, which speaks well of you, too!
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There for awhile Dirk had hired his son JD. JD has since gone on to do other ventures. Eli and I have been known to answer the phone on tech calls when Dirk is swamped up to his eye balls. We help him out as much as possible. Dirks knowledge extends far out beyond the telephone and his business and we try to repay the favor
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The budget MML from JKS was only about $50.00 IIRC from DPG.


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For about $20 more you can replace the stock mounts and get a set of browndog lift motor mounts that are very stout
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