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Old 01-09-2014, 09:39 AM   #1
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ZJ Tie Rod vs. JKS Tie Rod

I've been researching tie rods for a bit & I think I am about to pull the trigger on a ZJ rod & TRE's. While I would love to install the Currie system, unfortunately it's overkill for my build (never going past 33's on this jeep), purposes (trails sprinkled with mild crawling), & budget (< $200).

So that brings me to the ZJ or JKS setup. While I am leaning heavily toward the ZJ tie rod, I am still curious about the JKS. The JKS is more expensive, but within budget. The rod itself appears to be substantially stronger than the ZJ. However, it utilizes the stock TRE's which are smaller than the ZJ TRE's. So in the end, which is the stronger setup? Will the ZJ bar bend/break before the stock TRE's let go (assuming the stock TRE's are now the weak link with the JKS rod)? I know there are a million variables to the scenario but I hope to get a few general opinions about it. Thanks y'all!

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get the ZJ tie-rod assembly from NAPA and go on with life

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Sounds like a plan!

This is just sort of an itch I wanted to scratch before making the purchase.
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To increase the confusion, I guess I can toss the Rubicon Express tie rod kit into the mix too. It comes with TRE's, but I haven't been able to find out what size they are. If they are stock sized then I guess it's interchangeable with JKS as far as the original question goes.

Part of the problem is that I am beginning to have difficulty finding a "cheap" ZJ setup. Using the NAPA part #'s on Stu's website yielded a cost of about $163.00. That is almost exactly the price of the JKS and Rubicon Express kit. It may be cheaper elsewhere, but it seems that prices on this item have been rising over the last couple of years.
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Using the NAPA part #'s on Stu's website yielded a cost of about $163.00.
NAPA will price match their competitors. I just priced out ~$78 online at AutoZone.com....print out the house brand part numbers, walk into NAPA and they will match it. A couple years ago, I paid ~$60 @ NAPA for my V8 ZJ tie-rod....
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Dang. I didn't get price match at NAPA on mine but I think there are two grades of product line they have. Guy told me it was their premium line that I have him part #'s for.

Also, at NAPA the day to get best prices here is the second Saturday of the month. They give additional discounts, so I'd check with your local NAPA to verify the sale day there for anyone who's interested.
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Sweet! Thanks for the advice on NAPA!
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There are these two setups, if you are looking for complete replacement of the steering.

"Y" Link DIY Steering using GM 1 Ton TREs - $239.49 shipped -48 US

TJ and XJ HD Steering kits by Crown Automotive.

Good luck. Oh! If you could give me the part numbers on the JKS kit, as well as your zip code, I can get you a price shipped.
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Thanks AOR! I really like the look of the Y link kit, but I don't have easy access to a welder (or a friend who welds) at the moment. Great kit though!

Does anyone know about the Rubicon Express TRE's? Are they larger/stronger than stock? Their kit comes with TRE's and seems to be reasonably priced.
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Thanks AOR! I really like the look of the Y link kit, but I don't have easy access to a welder (or a friend who welds) at the moment. Great kit though!

Does anyone know about the Rubicon Express TRE's? Are they larger/stronger than stock? Their kit comes with TRE's and seems to be reasonably priced.
Welcome!

What kit of Rubicon Express are you looking at? I know they have universal JK TREs. I am not aware of a "kit" though. Did you look at the Crown kit in the link? That is a V8 ZJ steering kit.

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Hey Allen do you know more about the drag link on the crown kit?

Drag Link
Stock = 25.7mm
Crown = 26.0mm

that doesn't look like much of a difference however if the stock is hollow and the crown is a straight bar that could be a noticeable difference. Also do people report having a steering blind spot like in the rugged ridge kit?
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Hey Allen do you know more about the drag link on the crown kit?

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Stock = 25.7mm
Crown = 26.0mm

that doesn't look like much of a difference however if the stock is hollow and the crown is a straight bar that could be a noticeable difference. Also do people report having a steering blind spot like in the rugged ridge kit?
They are direct ZJ V8 steering parts. Just in one kit.

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Okay thanks for the feedback. It's nice to see vendors posting on here. Ryan does from ET. I'd rather give you guys business.
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I was looking at the "RE2600" bar with TREe's included. That's why I was referring to it as a kit. According to the description, this bar is for TJ's, XJ's, etc. I just can't find any info on the TREe's.

I definitely like the crown kit. But the bling of the RE tie rod is nice too.
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Allen,
Just to verify... If I purchase this kit for use on the stock TJ knuckles, the taper may or may not have to be changed to accommodate the new TRE's? Is that correct? It appears most of the information about the above tie rods are related to JK's. Do JK's & TJ's have the same sized TRE's?
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Just to verify... If I purchase this kit for use on the stock TJ knuckles, the taper may or may not have to be changed to accommodate the new TRE's? Is that correct? It appears most of the information about the above tie rods are related to JK's. Do JK's & TJ's have the same sized TRE's?
Correct! I am sure they do not, but I am not sure what those specific taper measurements are. I thought I had it down in a database somewhere but can not find it.

I will look some more today. Or you could call a local Jeep dealer and ask them. Either way, you will most likely have to taper it out to fit.

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I was just checking out the JCR 1ton steering conversion.few locals have it and love it.i was planning on doing the zj thing but not after seeing theirs.
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I was just checking out the JCR 1ton steering conversion.few locals have it and love it.i was planning on doing the zj thing but not after seeing theirs.
I've heard negative things about the JCR kit from individuals well educated on steering geometry. They argue the stock tj inverted Y steering is superior to the crossover style steering on our Tjs. Crossover steering is more likely to have bumpsteer. I run the Currie steering which is a very beefed up version of the stock steering and have no problems.
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I've heard negative things about the JCR kit from individuals well educated on steering geometry. They argue the stock tj inverted Y steering is superior to the crossover style steering on our Tjs. Crossover steering is more likely to have bumpsteer. I run the Currie steering which is a very beefed up version of the stock steering and have no problems.
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Thanks AOR! I really like the look of the Y link kit, but I don't have easy access to a welder (or a friend who welds) at the moment. Great kit though!
That kit is actually absolute junk in terms of the design.

Come on AOR, don't recommend crap that will provide less-than-stellar steering response due to inevitable TRE roll.....

There are two ways to address the stock TJ linkage and both of them retain the factory connection points. The V8 ZJ tie rod assembly is the budget method and Currie is the higher $$/stronger method. Until you move to a different axle that uses different knuckles, nothing else is worth the time, money or effort.
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NAPA will price match their competitors. I just priced out ~$78 online at AutoZone.com....print out the house brand part numbers, walk into NAPA and they will match it. A couple years ago, I paid ~$60 @ NAPA for my V8 ZJ tie-rod....
can you help me here, I can find it that cheap
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That kit is actually absolute junk in terms of the design.
Sometimes I need saving from myself.

Thanks for the heads up on this. I don't know enough about this type of steering geometry to spot the issues. Definitely a bit of "scope creep" on my part. Everything is pointing toward the ZJ setup as the ideal solution for my particular needs & budget. Now to try and find it cheap...
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You're overthinking it. Go to Napa and pick up the tie rod, adjusting sleeve and TRE's. Done.

Wherever you go, don't get the cheapest TRE's available. The difference in quality between the house brands (Duralast, MasterPro, etc.) and the other brands (Moog, TRW, etc.) is fairly large. In that respect, Napa will probably be your best option so that you don't overpay for something that's actually junk (Moog in my experience).
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can you help me here, I can find it that cheap
why not? where you looking? I gave you all the info I know. Shop around.
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Sometimes I need saving from myself.

Thanks for the heads up on this. I don't know enough about this type of steering geometry to spot the issues. Definitely a bit of "scope creep" on my part. Everything is pointing toward the ZJ setup as the ideal solution for my particular needs & budget. Now to try and find it cheap...
X2.. That's what I like about this forum..lots of opinions which hopefully result in me only having to do things once...thanks for the advice..I guess maybe the zj thing is back on the list.lol...I have no desire to build things cheap....just properly and safely.
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So with the ZJ tie rod upgrade, you are only replacing the tie rod and the TRE's. Is there any benefit to upgrading the drag link and it's ends at the same time? AOR listed it as the XJ and TJ HD steering upgrade in post #8 above. It would seem to me that if the ZJ tie rod and ends are larger, than the draglink and it's ends would be too. Is it worth upgrading all of it to the ZJ stuff, or is the draglink a non-issue?
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Everything I have read said the ZJ V8 drag link is no larger than the TJ
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ZJ drag link is same as TJ drag link the upgrade for the ZJ conversion is just the tie rod. For an upgraded drag link experience look towards Currie
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So with the ZJ tie rod upgrade, you are only replacing the tie rod and the TRE's. Is there any benefit to upgrading the drag link and it's ends at the same time? AOR listed it as the XJ and TJ HD steering upgrade in post #8 above. It would seem to me that if the ZJ tie rod and ends are larger, than the draglink and it's ends would be too. Is it worth upgrading all of it to the ZJ stuff, or is the draglink a non-issue?
At .3 mm bigger, the ZJ drag link may not be an issue. Unless you need replace yours anyway. Not that I wouldn't like to sell them, but, if you do not need it, why bother. I would think the rod end is a little more HD due to the weight of the V8 ZJ vs the 4.0L. I can check for the specs, if any, and PM you, if you send me a PM.

Sorry for the highjack. Have a blessed and prosperous evening!

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