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Old 07-02-2012, 01:25 AM   #1
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95 YJ 4cyl 3"bl 2-3" Shackle lift 33's stock drivetrain???

I've basically recently come across this "deal" and am trying to get some advice for my first wrangler purchase. Figured I'd get some input from this who know best so here the setup:
95 4cylinder 5 speed with 116k stock drivetrain. (axles, engine, trans)
3" body lift with what looks like a 2-3" shackle lift
Brand new 33's on new 15x10 rims
Body is in great condition along with paint
Soft top, looks like chrome smittybilt tube front/rear bumper and step bars
$4000

What worries me is the leaf springs are pretty much laid flat with the lift it has and I've heard a lot if negatives on the 3" body lift's, especially since it's combined with a leaf lift. Toss 33's into the mix with a 4cylinder with stock components and I'm not sure if it's a good deal or not. Suspension needs to be redone right with a leaf lift IMO but with the body/paint in great shape plus brand new tires and rims. Was thinking about doing a 4.0 swap if I got it down the line...
A lot of info but any thoughts? Worth getting and replacing components, drive it like it is, pass and look for a stock 4.0?


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Old 07-02-2012, 05:24 PM   #2
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Sounds pretty reasonable. A body lift is a matter of preference. I don't like them so I don't use them much, and only an inch or so when I do. Shacklle lifts are not the safest way to lift a vehicle, I have a small shackle lift on the back of mine to level it out. The flat Stock springs are most likely due to the age of the Jeep, not the lift. I am running 32s, my buddy runs 33s, both of us have 4cyl motors. The axles have 4:10 gears stock. Just don't planning on using 5th gear very much.

What I would do is point out these things to the seller and try to get the price a little lower. Once it was mine, I'd change the body lift to a 1-1.25 lift. Ditch the shackles and get some springs to clear the 33s. Or even sell the 33s and get some 32s. As far as a 4.0 swap, it takes changing the welded on frame mounts just to begin the swap, so I would leave that alone. It is cheaper to drop a small block Chevy in rather than a 4.0.

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Old 07-02-2012, 05:36 PM   #3
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Your begging for sheared body bolts and inverted shackles. Hell those shackles would be a foot long. Pass pass pass.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:44 PM   #4
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My biggest concern is buying it for the price and then having to re gear and rebuild engine and tranny. I've read 33's and stock 4.10 gears and tranny on a 4 cylinder isn't the best combo is this correct? I'd like to get something that I can go offroading in and pull a small trailer with a dirtbike in it to and from the track? Is a 4 cylinder capable on 33's to do both?
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:46 PM   #5
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Your begging for sheared body bolts and inverted shackles. Hell those shackles would be a foot long. Pass pass pass.
I run a 4 inch suspension lift with 2 inch shackle lift and i actually wheel and have never had a problem but my shackles are 1/2 thick steel plate
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:47 PM   #7
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Its only a matter of time till those 33s break the stock axles. Go wheeling and I guarantee you lose a wheel. Look for a 6. Pass on this rig.
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Its only a matter of time till those 33s break the stock axles. Go wheeling and I guarantee you lose a wheel. Look for a 6. Pass on this rig.
The axles can hold up with a thirty three... 35 gets sketchy... 37 its gonna break soon or later... but people do it...
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Its only a matter of time till those 33s break the stock axles. Go wheeling and I guarantee you lose a wheel. Look for a 6. Pass on this rig.
Are you saying the 6 cylinder has stronger axles that will hold up the 33's better then the 4 cylinder?
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Are you saying the 6 cylinder has stronger axles that will hold up the 33's better then the 4 cylinder?
No there the same axle if that is what he means just different gears its not the axles u should worry about its the tranny mostly im not positive but I think its got an ax 5 and not to sure about it the ax 15 is in the 6 cylinder and its a lot better if I remember right. But sometimes u get a jeep and nothing breaks others fall apart haha just depends
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They have the same axels but gearing for bigger tires is diff u have 4:11 which are stock I have the 4.0 nd I regeared to 4:11 to give me better pull nd mpg were as u will need to regear or it will slugish and a pig on gas
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My apologies. I meant rear.
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The axles will hold not saying a bearing wont go bad and destroy everything but it will hold for the 33's
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They have the same axels but gearing for bigger tires is diff u have 4:11 which are stock I have the 4.0 nd I regeared to 4:11 to give me better pull nd mpg were as u will need to regear or it will slugish and a pig on gas
Re-gear with 4.88?

So is it worth getting and re-gearing an possibly rebuilding the tranny or paying more for the 4.0?
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:27 PM   #15
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I don't know if I'd say it's worth it I wud look and see what 4000 in a 6cyl you'd be surprised save yourself an engine swap tires are alot easier to install
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I've seen many 2.5 and 4.0's modded or other-wise. What I found most important is how solid the body is and if the Jeep is to your liking. I wanted a 4.0 originally but ended up buying a 2.5 because the body was mint and the mods were tastefully done. I say if your worried about transmission - just sell the 33's and buy 31-32's and you'll be fine. So to answer the OP - I say buy it man - looks great. GL
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:28 PM   #17
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Understood. It concerned me most when I drove it and it seemed very underpowered. Didn't know if it was because of the combination of how it was setup or if the 4 cylinders are really that hard to get going. It just seemed really sluggish.
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Understood. It concerned me most when I drove it and it seemed very underpowered. Didn't know if it was because of the combination of how it was setup or if the 4 cylinders are really that hard to get going. It just seemed really sluggish.
Probably would be kinda sluggish with stock gears
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I'd say tires. Mine gets up and moves out just fine.
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Probably would be kinda sluggish with stock gears
Would 4.88's with the 33's solve it or would it still need 31/32's with stock gears or 4.88's?
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Would 4.88's with the 33's solve it or would it still need 31/32's with stock gears or 4.88's?
4.88 would probably definitely solve it
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4.88 would move make that thing easy.
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4.88 would move make that thing easy.
What haha
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I would say Pass and keep searching for a 4.0.. I think You would Be much more happy with the I6
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I'd try and talk him down. Then if you get it, ditch the body lift and go soa with a Ford 8.8 in the rear. You can find an 8.8 with 4.11's and limited slip and regear down the road or do a motor swap if that's what you decide.
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What haha
What... you didn't know?? You can climb up walls with those gears man. lmao
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As figured its 50/50 for go ahead and pursue it or pass on it. Sounds like if I get it, take off the body kit/make it 1.25" and put 4.88's in it and it'll do fine or find a I6 thats closer to stock for a little more and put the mods on later...
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I dont know what jeeps are going for there, but that jeep here in Pa. would be a steal. It wouldn't be on the market for long...most of the 95's in this area are still carrying a $6-8000 price range. as far as that shackle lift, the stock shackles on a YJ are 4" long from center of bolt to center of bolt. So, from the pic i would estimate that those shackles are 1-1 1/2 inches of lift. i.e....2-3 inches longer than stock. shackles that are 2 inches longer than stock or 6 inches long, create 1 inch of lift.
And if all the more weight you are pulling is a dirt bike on the trailer, as long as it isnt a 6000 lb car trailer, you will be fine. sure its a little under powered with the tires, but i have seen alot worse.
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^ Same around here.
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I'm curious as well on where these yj's are selling for 2500-3500 in good condition. I've seen a few posts on people talking about them being out there but not sure what area.

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