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Old 08-15-2014, 01:46 AM   #1
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Advice: NEED MORE FLEX

New to the forum and I could use some advice. I already took the sway bars off and I've noticed a little more flex but not quite as much as I want. I'll post some pictures. Thanks ahead of time!!!
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Another pic

Here's another picture. also the log was about 1 1/2 feet tall maybe more.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:35 AM   #3
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Have you took the track bars off yet?
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Track bars

I was considering taking them off but I'm kinda worried it'll affect my on road handling too much. Is that really a problem when removing the track bars?
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Did some research and I've decided to take them off. I'll post after pics using the same log but in the daytime. It'll make a pretty great before and after. Thanks for the input Gutless.
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Let me know how it handles around 60 mph with sway bars and track bars off. I'm considering doing the same but i like to drive it to work some days and its 60 miles round trip
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You'll be happy you did, this is mine on 31s. No track bars or sway bar, running boomerang shackles, tire it's on is a 29 I believe. Handels fine on the road, other than a little body roll in the turns.
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Let me know how it handles around 60 mph with sway bars and track bars off. I'm considering doing the same but i like to drive it to work some days and its 60 miles round trip
I have no trac bars or sway bar. And I drive 65-70 and my Jeep is solid. But the issue is raised when one wants to go fast around corners. Or if you have to swerve to miss something in the road you need to be paying attention.
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Track bar is pretty much useless, but I'd leave the sway bar on. Get some quick disconnects for it.
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I haven't had the track bars or the sway bar on for quite some time now. And the only time I even notice it is if I drive aggressively which is rarely. If you corner too fast or take an off ramp too hot, then you will have your hands full.

The sway bar was what you disconnected 1st, and it should've been the track bars. The track bars do absolutely nothing except limit what the Jeep can do. The sway bar is what prevents body roll in a turn.

When my YJ had both the track and sway bars on it, it made it the whole way to the 11" mark on the RTI ramp. YEP! 11 inches up the ramp and lifted a tire. WOOHOO!. Once I took them both off, I went to 39". Still not that great, but a whole lot better than 11!!!!
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Thanks guys! Yeah, a lot of different opinions out there and I saw the "remove sway bars " most so I went with it. Starting on the track bars today. I'll give it a test run and let y'all know what's up.
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Just as everyone above me has said, remove your track bars everyone should just in general, leaf springs articulate up and down. A track bar on the other hand, which is mounted to the frame, and one side of the axle, wants to move in an arc between those two points and perpendicular to the leaf springs. So As your suspension travels, straight up, or straight down, the track bar also moves, but again, the track bar must move in an arc, and cannot follow straight up, or straight down, thus causing the suspension to bind. Which is why it is common for them to be broken, mine was in the front...But I digress.

If removing our trackbar and sway bar doesn't help, remove your shocks (or disconnect them at one end) and flex it and see if they increases your flex. You should find a ramp somewhere you can go to multiple times and see how far you can go up it each time. Lol if if you flex on the same thing I doubt you will see that big of a difference imo
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I haven't had the track bars or the sway bar on for quite some time now. And the only time I even notice it is if I drive aggressively which is rarely. If you corner too fast or take an off ramp too hot, then you will have your hands full. The sway bar was what you disconnected 1st, and it should've been the track bars. The track bars do absolutely nothing except limit what the Jeep can do. The sway bar is what prevents body roll in a turn. When my YJ had both the track and sway bars on it, it made it the whole way to the 11" mark on the RTI ramp. YEP! 11 inches up the ramp and lifted a tire. WOOHOO!. Once I took them both off, I went to 39". Still not that great, but a whole lot better than 11!!!!

I had a similar situation on my 95. It scored 420 then I removed the swaybars and trackbars went back upto the ramp and scored a 739. Which pissed off my buddy cause his tj could only get 650
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:16 AM   #14
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Let me know how it handles around 60 mph with sway bars and track bars off. I'm considering doing the same but i like to drive it to work some days and its 60 miles round trip
I didn't hit 60 mph but I hit about 50 and I didn't notice anything odd.

Also I don't know what the stock sway bar is but mine just has two bolts and nuts on each side with a small hole on the top one that had a cotter pin which I replaced with a latch pin for easy removal. Takes me less than 5 minutes to remove both sway bar links. Then when I'm done it takes me another five minutes to put them back on.


Second, I removed the track bars but didn't notice a huge difference. I guess I had unrealistic expectations haha

So I cruised around town looking for places to test it out and on one mound I got my front left wheel on it and managed to get my right rear wheel up in the air. I think I'm gunna take zacks advice and try disconnecting the shocks because I think they're keeping it from flexing to its full potential.

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Also I should mention that there's a good amount of space between the tire and the flare. At least a good six inches. And if the flare wasn't there I could add another two inches. If it is the shocks, what could I do?
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Also I should mention that there's a good amount of space between the tire and the flare. At least a good six inches. And if the flare wasn't there I could add another two inches. If it is the shocks, what could I do?
Buy longer shocks. Depending on what you're running it shouldn't be too much on the wallet.
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Also I should mention that there's a good amount of space between the tire and the flare. At least a good six inches. And if the flare wasn't there I could add another two inches. If it is the shocks, what could I do?
Buy longer shocks. Depending on what you're running it shouldn't be too much on the wallet.
This ^ lol flex out till a tire lifts a little. Then back down just a bit, just enough so the tires back on the ground- no more. Then measure from the top to bottom where the shock mounts. That's how long of a shock you currently need; then add an inch or two so you don't max out the shock when at full droop.
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Hey guys, so I looked up the serial code and shocks and found out they're pro comp es3000 series with an extended length of 29.77 and 17.09 compressed. That's pretty long compared to the rest of the shocks I've seen online. It's kinda throwing me off the trail of the shocks being the problem. What do y'all think?
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It could be too long on the compressed side, and bottoming out the shock.
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It could be too long on the compressed side, and bottoming out the shock.
Whoa, you totally just beat me to that. Also my front axle seems WAY better than my rear. Is there like a perfect compressed to extended length ratio or something?

Check out this pic. Pardon the glare lol btw, the back tire is off the ground
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I don't know much about shocks. But to me it looks like your front shackle isn't articulating as much as it should.

Maybe try loosening all your shackle bolts, cycle the suspension (jump up and down on your bumpers). Then tighten all the bolts to around 50 ft/lbs.
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I don't know much about shocks. But to me it looks like your front shackle isn't articulating as much as it should. Maybe try loosening all your shackle bolts, cycle the suspension (jump up and down on your bumpers). Then tighten all the bolts to around 50 ft/lbs.
I second this ^
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Make sure you tighten the bolts down all the way with the full weight of the jeep on them on flat ground
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I don't know much about shocks. But to me it looks like your front shackle isn't articulating as much as it should.

Maybe try loosening all your shackle bolts, cycle the suspension (jump up and down on your bumpers). Then tighten all the bolts to around 50 ft/lbs.
And how could I measure ft/lbs without a torque wrench? Guesstimate?
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Shackles

You can see the rear shackles in this pic. Should I do the same for the rear as the front?
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And how could I measure ft/lbs without a torque wrench? Guesstimate?
You can rent them for free at autoparts stores they cost anywhere from 30.00+ If you own a jeep it's a tool you should own.
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You can rent them for free at autoparts stores they cost anywhere from 30.00+ If you own a jeep it's a tool you should own.
Sounds like a worthy investment. Thank you. Ill go rent one for now and test it out.
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Sounds like a worthy investment. Thank you. Ill go rent one for now and test it out.
I don't recommend renting one... I have done it in the past and the other people that rent them just abuse the heck out of them. Harbor Freight has one for 10 bucks that autozone sells for 30. Spend some money here to prevent spending more money later.
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I tested it out and was only able to get the tire up 18" before the back tire come off the ground. I noticed that the shock wasn't compressing as much as it's supposed to. It extended to 29" like its supposed to but only compressed 24" when it's supposed compress 17" as I mentioned before. How do I fix it?
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I don't recommend renting one... I have done it in the past and the other people that rent them just abuse the heck out of them. Harbor Freight has one for 10 bucks that autozone sells for 30. Spend some money here to prevent spending more money later.
X2 Yeah, I rented one, came home, and it was defective. Went back for another one, and it was broken too. So I just bought one lol

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