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Old 04-04-2012, 02:08 PM   #1
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I'm a total noob when it comes to car audio haha. I can do as much as installing systems but I don't know what's good .-. I'm looking for a budget amp and 2 subs to fit in my '94 Wrangler.

Need to find a budget amp and sub bundle (or separate; doesn't matter) that'll give me a huge thump and where to put my amp and subs. My small area of a trunk might fit a small box for two subs but I'm not sure where I can put my amp to where it'll get good ventilation.

Oh and if the subs and amp are all marine-grade or water-resistant, that'd be really good seeing as how my back end isn't covered with the bikini top I have on sometimes.

EDIT: This be any good? http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_....html?from=857

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What size subs? You should check out kicker their cheap but great quality

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Let me start by saying in car audio you often get what you pay for. When it come to subs its especially true.

Before I can make any suggestions I need you to answer a few questions.

Whats your price range?

Whats the Brand and Model of your Head Unit? (The unit in the dash that plays the music)

Do you care if you loose all your trunk/cargo space?

What kind of Music do you listen to?

After I have these answers I can make some informed suggestions on the kind of items you should be looking for.
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The thing about cheap set ups like this. They ussually get very hot, don't last long and never put out the kind of sound they should. You will always be better off with a High quality smaller size. For example 1 10" higher quality brand would put those 2 12's to shame.

Not sure if you measured but I dont think that box would fit unless you lose your back seat.
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As far as Wranglers, Quadratec has a really awesome speaker selection. Subs with amps already installed, and most are plug and play. They are made for the Wrangler, which we all know has limited space as it is.

Click the link below.......and look around. They have some good stuff no one else has. The link is to page 2 which has some subs on it


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just one question.....if you dont have a full top why in the world would you want a system??? seems like you are asking for it to be jacked. also why would you want huge thump.... number one thing to keep in mind is you never want enough bass to drown out your mids and highs...then it just sounds like ass.... if you are running around with just a bikini top im gonna assume just for sake of argument that you also have a/t or even m/t tires. you are gonna want somewhere in the area of 500-1000 watts. i would recomend getting some good 6x9 ish 3 way speakers (kicker makes nice ones) to compensate for mid and some high. after that if you are trying to stay within a price range i would suggest a single sub (10 or 12 whatever your preference) and find a well crafted box for it to go in. so that you understand what i mean by well crafted go check out the toby speakers website. they run 170 ish db on 160W. im almost positive that you can get their "ranger" set and put it in place of your console perfectly. their shop is a few blocks from my house so if you decide to go this route i can pick it up for you and ship it too. good luck!
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I picked up two 10in Sony subs from Walmart about 4 years ago and they are the best subs I've ever owned. I've had Memphis, pioneer, kicker and alpine and I gotta say the Sonys are my favorite. I just bought a new ported box for them today and they hit harder then ever!

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Let me start by saying in car audio you often get what you pay for. When it come to subs its especially true.

Before I can make any suggestions I need you to answer a few questions.

Whats your price range? $200-300. Possibly a tad more.

Whats the Brand and Model of your Head Unit? (The unit in the dash that plays the music) Pioneer DEH-7300 BT

Do you care if you loose all your trunk/cargo space? Not really. Although space would be nice. :o

What kind of Music do you listen to? Metal, pop, dubstep/drum and bass, hip-hop/rap, rock, hardcore, and dance. Basically everything haha.

After I have these answers I can make some informed suggestions on the kind of items you should be looking for.
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As far as Wranglers, Quadratec has a really awesome speaker selection. Subs with amps already installed, and most are plug and play. They are made for the Wrangler, which we all know has limited space as it is.

Click the link below.......and look around. They have some good stuff no one else has. The link is to page 2 which has some subs on it


Jeep Speakers - Quadratec
They're mad expensive. As in break my bank expensive lol.

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just one question.....if you dont have a full top why in the world would you want a system??? seems like you are asking for it to be jacked. also why would you want huge thump.... number one thing to keep in mind is you never want enough bass to drown out your mids and highs...then it just sounds like ass.... if you are running around with just a bikini top im gonna assume just for sake of argument that you also have a/t or even m/t tires. you are gonna want somewhere in the area of 500-1000 watts. i would recomend getting some good 6x9 ish 3 way speakers (kicker makes nice ones) to compensate for mid and some high. after that if you are trying to stay within a price range i would suggest a single sub (10 or 12 whatever your preference) and find a well crafted box for it to go in. so that you understand what i mean by well crafted go check out the toby speakers website. they run 170 ish db on 160W. im almost positive that you can get their "ranger" set and put it in place of your console perfectly. their shop is a few blocks from my house so if you decide to go this route i can pick it up for you and ship it too. good luck!
Big thump for bragging rights cuz I'm a cool kid in high school, yeah! Lmao but I already have 4 speakers in (1 Sony each door then wedges on both driver and passenger side) that I'm near positive aren't stock. The two door speakers are Sony Xplod 6.5s. Not exactly sure the model or anything, I don't have my Jeep at home atm. Oh and I'm going to be bolting everything down and securing it. And I've owned this thing for just over 6 years and never had any problems with people stealing my stuff. I hide and secure all my stuff anyway though.
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Look at all of the options. Some are with amp and speakers. Some without. You said 200-300 maybe more. 1-10" speaker in a YJ in a properly-sized box will sound amazing. Good luck with whatever you decide. I personally am happy with my 2- 5 1/4's, and 2- 6x9 marine speakers on a 500 watt amp. water proof and not really worth stealing
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:36 PM   #10
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you are going to have a hard time hiding a big sub box. get a solid brand name 10 in a reflex box for the lows so you can hide it behind the rear seat or some where. i had a 10" rockford fosgate in a little reflex box that bumped like crazy. it was perfect with the stock system in the wife's mustang back in the day. added exactly what was needed without costing a bunch.


i used to run an eclipse head unit with the bmw stock speakers for mids/highs and some 12" infinty subs that worked well. and back in my high school days, i had 4 rockford 12" in the x-cab, 4 5.25 in the doors/dash and 2 little tweets in the dash of my f150. a punch amp for hte 12s and another brand amplified equalizer for the rest. it sounded good and would rattle oil off the shelf at the gas station. but i don't think i would put it in the wrangler, and i have a hard top and doors but still wouldn't feel safe.

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Old 04-05-2012, 01:00 AM   #11
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Pioneer DEH-7300 BT - This is a decent head unit.

Metal, pop, dubstep/drum and bass, hip-hop/rap, rock, hardcore, and dance. Basically everything haha.

This answer doesn't really nail down a particular sub box, do you prefer really tight crisp bass or boom de boom bass?

The most important part of selecting a sub/amp combo, is matching your RMS watts up.
If the sub is underpowered it will preform poorly not giving the boom it should.
If the sup is overpowered it distorts and burns the voice coils out prematurely.

I noticed your looking for a "In Box" sub which leads me to believe you probably cant build your own sub cabinet?


Some of your choices will be Shallow mount subs. These dont preform as well as regular depth subs however what you loose in boom you make up for in space. A decent shallow mount might be something like this.





Pioneer TS-SWX251 (TSSWX251) Shallow Loaded 10" Enclosure TSSW251



Pioneer GM-D7500M (gmd7500m) 800W Max, GM Digital Series Class D

Wiring Kit
Rockford Fosgate RFK4X Complete 4 Gauge Amplifier Install Kit

This combo is great for a decent amount of base and space savings. You can lay this down with the sub facing the floor and fit it in the cargo area of the wrangler.
Add a Wiring Kit and the price tag is about 350ish.
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If your looking for more of a Boomie Bass you might consider a Bass tube, which will also fit nicely in the cargo area. Also they have marine aplications so you wont have to worry about water messing up your equipement.

Bazooka MBTA10250D (mbta10250d) 250W, Marine Certified 10" Power

Wiring Kit
Rockford Fosgate RFK8I 8 Gauge Amplifier/Amp Installation Kit

This model is marine ready, has a built in amplifier. Unlike Particle board with this sub/amp combo you wont have to worry about deteriation of your sub box over time due to wire damage, or shorting of your amp. Becuase of the design you are able to mount it with as little as 2 inchs from sub to fender wall. Leaving you nearly a foot of storage space behind the sub.

Again this plus the wiring kit gets you in under 350$s
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You can always fabricate your own sub cabinet, and load it with sub and them amp. This will give you the best sound for your money.

The drawbacks of this are:
You need to beable to build your own cabinet. Which seems like it should be easy but a cabinet that does not have the proper amount of internal airspace will cuase your subwoofer to preform poorly.

Also I didn't really see any marine aplications which means you will have to figure out how to protect your equipement from the weather.
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That looks like a nice bass cannon for a wrangler. Especially being marine grade
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This is how I did mine. It is a pioneer premier 10" sounds great!


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Thanks everyone. And I really like what you did with your setup, YJMad. I have a tonneua top and back window so I can hide a normal size box for probably one 15 or two 12s all under the tonneua top and even install a few fans off a smaller battery so I at least have some air in there. I can build my own box too, I just don't know what dimensions would be good because of airspace and ventilation like someone said before in this thread. :o

This be a good sub and amp combo?

Boss P126DVC (P126-DVC) 12" Dual 4 ohm Phantom Car Subwoofer

Pyle PLA2378 (pla-2378) Class A/B 2-Channel Power Car Amplifier

Absolute SPS12 Slot Vented 12" Car Subwoofer MDF Enclosure/Box

With the tonneau top I don't need to really worry about weather or thieves. I have that metal band thing that'll keep the tonneau tight so water doesn't sag it.

Also, looking for a boom boom bass lol.
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If I were you as far as subs go, a previous comment I saw was one 10inch...thats exactly correct. My suggestion is a Kicker 10" L5 that thing will be heard down the block. Comes in a vented box that is a truck box and has an enclosure to protect from sub excursion. Honestly anything kicker wise is awesome. Kicker subs are engineered for tight spaces and yes...they do kick. It feels as though someone is hitting the bass drum pedal behind your head. They hit hard. I had an L5 in my truck from 06-11 and now I have a shallow mount comp vt 12inch. You cant go wrong with these products. The current equal to the L5 is now the L3, same rms and max watt.

You will need power to run the sub of course. one sub running high rms is all you need. You can buy two with low rms but it just takes up room. Amp wise you will need a mono channel. 4 channel is for speakers. That being said I did run a 930 watt 4 channel to my L5 for years and just carried around extra fuses.

Depending on the headunit you have, some have a small amp in there. Your headunit should say how much watts it puts out to each speaker. It will help take load of your amp if you decide to go with a cheaper 4-channel amp.

Lastly Yes you have an amp, Yes you have your sub. Yes you have your speakers. These all draw a considerable load depending on their watt requirements from your battery. Being a jeep you wont really have to worry about your internals surging but your headlights absolutely will. Only thing that does is mess with on coming traffic thinking your bunkering your lights at them. Honestly just personal preference unless its draing so much power as to disable your vehicle.

As for shallow mount vs normal depth subs...I had the L5 face up directly into my rear seat in my chevy and it sounded awesome. The the shallow mount cvt i turned upside down and faced it into the floor with just enough room for excursion and it hits harder than the L5. Without getting into subwoofer engineering, the more pressure on the outside and inside the better. You will not hurt it but giving it less room, just make sure you are allowing enough room for excursion.
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Amp: Boss CX1100M 1100W Max, Monoblock Chaos Exxtreme Series Amplifier

Sub: Kicker 07CVR122 (07CVR12-2) 12" Dual 2 ohm CompVR Subwoofer

Box?: Absolute SPS12 Slot Vented 12" Car Subwoofer MDF Enclosure/Box

Sonic Sub Boxes 1SA12-GRAY Single 12" Airport MDF Enclosure


Look good? Oh and mgh488, I'm really glad you had me look at Kicker subs... All the reviews I read on their subs are awesome and I'm looking forward to ordering a 12" of theirs. :3
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ok im going to make this as easy as i can for you....the amp is going to give you at best 500W rms which im going to say is probably more like 350W. the speaker you have picked out is a dual 2 ohm speaker which means 4 ohms....the amp says it will put out 250W rms at 4 ohms which is probably more like 150-175 W. basically what im telling you is that is a waste of money if you want boom.....although yes you picked a good sub you need to pick a better amp and with kicker i would suggest getting a sealed box not ported.
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ok im going to make this as easy as i can for you....the amp is going to give you at best 500W rms which im going to say is probably more like 350W. the speaker you have picked out is a dual 2 ohm speaker which means 4 ohms....the amp says it will put out 250W rms at 4 ohms which is probably more like 150-175 W. basically what im telling you is that is a waste of money if you want boom.....although yes you picked a good sub you need to pick a better amp and with kicker i would suggest getting a sealed box not ported.
Why? No one else has said anything like that. o.o I'd expect others to agree with you but you're the only who has brought this up so far. Is it just the brand I picked that runs the amp at less than 100% efficiency? Or are all subs like that? I build computers and I know most power supplies work at around 70-90% efficiency, or only 70-90% of their peak wattage. I didn't think this would apply to an amp if I were to hook it up to a battery.
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He is correct. Its not efficiency but how power is distributed from the amp to the subs. Although 1 sub is 2 ohms, they are wired to 4 ohms thus the amount of power to a sub is split. When looking for a amp pay attention to rms as this is what really matters.

As far as amps go you literally get what you pay for. Check out rockford fosgate products, they have redone their line of amps. They come with a birthing sheet that will no lie tell you how much it can crank out. I have a P500-1bd and it stays cold no matter what is going on, doesnt even have a fan apart of its components.

As a stated above a sealed box for kickers is dead on. More back pressure means more power. It actually says in the owners manual for the sub to put it in a sealed box and in a tight space for optimum sound...no joke.

I know it looks really expensive but its absolutely worth it. I would check local classifieds for some good amps. Again...you could get a 4 channel that can be crossed to mono...then you carry around the extra fuses lol...I did it for 7 years.

Another piece of advice. Never underpower a sub...it will damage it. Believe it or not, overpowering a sub slightly is the safer route. Then tune the amp in to your stereo.

Something I cant help add is the wiring kits and fuses you will need in addition to your amp and sub. It can cost a chunk too. I think best buy only sells a Kicker wiring kit now correct me anybody if you know. The thickness of your wires will add to the clarity of your music. Being a sub...it really wont matter, just make sure there isnt contact between your RCAs and body or you will recieve backround noise...Walmart Scoche kit will make sure that happens...dont buy that thing.

From expierence in car audio...if you try to go the cheap route the first time...it'll break...and then youll be back in the store buying the more expensive guy in the end. If you need help with configuration, wiring, tuning, building sub boxs, etc. I know all about that as well.

Btw if you have two 12" comp vrs in your jeep:

1.) I dont think youll have room for your rear seat. Check the air space requirements on kickers website.
2.) You will vibrate your jeep apart.
3.) You will make everyone around you very upset. Possible disturbing the piece citation. It DOES and can happen.
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He is correct. Its not efficiency but how power is distributed from the amp to the subs. Although 1 sub is 2 ohms, they are wired to 4 ohms thus the amount of power to a sub is split. When looking for a amp pay attention to rms as this is what really matters.

As far as amps go you literally get what you pay for. Check out rockford fosgate products, they have redone their line of amps. They come with a birthing sheet that will no lie tell you how much it can crank out. I have a P500-1bd and it stays cold no matter what is going on, doesnt even have a fan apart of its components.

As a stated above a sealed box for kickers is dead on. More back pressure means more power. It actually says in the owners manual for the sub to put it in a sealed box and in a tight space for optimum sound...no joke.

I know it looks really expensive but its absolutely worth it. I would check local classifieds for some good amps. Again...you could get a 4 channel that can be crossed to mono...then you carry around the extra fuses lol...I did it for 7 years.

Another piece of advice. Never underpower a sub...it will damage it. Believe it or not, overpowering a sub slightly is the safer route. Then tune the amp in to your stereo.

Something I cant help add is the wiring kits and fuses you will need in addition to your amp and sub. It can cost a chunk too. I think best buy only sells a Kicker wiring kit now correct me anybody if you know. The thickness of your wires will add to the clarity of your music. Being a sub...it really wont matter, just make sure there isnt contact between your RCAs and body or you will recieve backround noise...Walmart Scoche kit will make sure that happens...dont buy that thing.

From expierence in car audio...if you try to go the cheap route the first time...it'll break...and then youll be back in the store buying the more expensive guy in the end. If you need help with configuration, wiring, tuning, building sub boxs, etc. I know all about that as well.

Btw if you have two 12" comp vrs in your jeep:

1.) I dont think youll have room for your rear seat. Check the air space requirements on kickers website.
2.) You will vibrate your jeep apart.
3.) You will make everyone around you very upset. Possible disturbing the piece citation. It DOES and can happen.
Understood. And I'm only going with one 10 or 12 inch with a mono channel. Oh and I won't have a rear seat in since I'll have the tonneua top.

Amp: Power Acoustik CPT1-1500 CRYPT Series Monoblock Car Amplifier/Amp

650 RMS @ 2 ohms. That'd be good if it distributed only like 450-500?

How much should I overpower it?
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ok power acoustik used to be some of the top of the line...i know they somewhat fell off but not to terrible status by any means...you are definitely on the right track. i would say that amp will acomplish everything you want it to. as far as only using 450-500W thats not exactly how it works. basically with the amp running at full capacity and your radio cranked all the way up to max is when it will put out 650 rms. basically im saying dont crank the amp and stereo up to full and you will be more than fine. one other thing i will say is that if you go to a stereo competition with that amp you will be destroyed.....its rated at 1500W so that is the class you will have to run in....being a class a/b and you are only getting 650W max those guys pushing a true 1500W will pretty much make you cry....(not trying to be derogatory about that at all). as far as having a lound system that goes boom that amp and the kicker sub will do fine. make sure you get a sealed box with enough airspace and you will be golden. like i said previously i would still recomend powering up some 6x9s or so for some mid range and highs. good luck with this. any other questions post em up!
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I don't know hom much airspace is too much or too little lol. I've just been looking at the boxes with the best ratings lol. Like these two sealed:

Sonic Sub Boxes 1H12-1.0-GRAY (1h1210-gray) Single 12" Hatchback

Sonic Sub Boxes 1H12-0.7-GRAY (1h1207-gray) Single 12" Hatchback
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If you go on Kickers website and look under the information for the subwoofer you want it will list the requirements and specs for the sub. In that section is the minimum and maximum range in cubic inchs of air space needed for the sub to work correctly and make low frequency bass tones.

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