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Old 06-12-2013, 09:34 AM   #1
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ax5 pin, where does it go?

I rebuilt my ax5 and have this pin left over. Its about half the length and diameter of the larger pins. Its the lowest one (smallest) in the picture. The ball is from the shifting rails (to give you an idea of size).

Its not completely together yet, and won't be until I know where this pin goes, or if its needed...

So does anyone know?

I'd also like to ask, seems the roller bearings (the middle part in the picture) that go on the main shaft are a bad design. This is what failed on mine, is this a common problem? I know I've heard about how 5th will fall off, but event he nv4500 had a similar problem...

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Aww man. This is driving me crazy. I know where that goes, and it is on the tip of my brain. If I remember correctly it plays a role in making your gears click into place. They will work without it, but it wont stay in gear. I am assuming you are talking about the smaller one. The larger piece looks like a needle bearing from inside where the two shafts go together. It has been a long time since I rebuilt an AX5.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:19 AM   #4
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Aww man. This is driving me crazy. I know where that goes, and it is on the tip of my brain. If I remember correctly it plays a role in making your gears click into place. They will work without it, but it wont stay in gear. I am assuming you are talking about the smaller one. The larger piece looks like a needle bearing from inside where the two shafts go together. It has been a long time since I rebuilt an AX5.
Yep, the larger one is the needle bearing. Good to hear someone at least knows something about the smaller one....

Hopefully it'll dawn on you.

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Old 06-12-2013, 10:29 AM   #5
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Yeah I think that thing is in a spot that it just falls out when you take it apart. If you dont see where it comes from it is a pain to find. I am assuming you already have all of the springs and little bearings in place on the intermediate plate? You know the ones with the springs behind them held in by the screws.

Actually I think it just popped in there! The Stay Puff Marshmallow man! No seriously. It goes between one of the shift forks and the shift rod. It stops the fork from rotating or something if I remember right. If you look between the forks and the rods I am pretty sure you will see a notch for that little thing to slid in on one of them. You may need to pull the forks to the side to see where it goes. But that should go into a hole in the rod, then the fork slides over it holding it in place.

There is another one I remember on the intermediate plate where the race goes, but if I remember correctly those use little ball bearings and not the style you have. I am 90% sure it goes on a rod under a shift fork.
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Yeah I think that thing is in a spot that it just falls out when you take it apart. If you dont see where it comes from it is a pain to find. I am assuming you already have all of the springs and little bearings in place on the intermediate plate? You know the ones with the springs behind them held in by the screws.

Actually I think it just popped in there! The Stay Puff Marshmallow man! No seriously. It goes between one of the shift forks and the shift rod. It stops the fork from rotating or something if I remember right. If you look between the forks and the rods I am pretty sure you will see a notch for that little thing to slid in on one of them. You may need to pull the forks to the side to see where it goes. But that should go into a hole in the rod, then the fork slides over it holding it in place.

There is another one I remember on the intermediate plate where the race goes, but if I remember correctly those use little ball bearings and not the style you have. I am 90% sure it goes on a rod under a shift fork.
the little ball bearing goes behind the fifth gear cluster, I found that one no problem.

After this I think I'll do my own right up on rebuilding the ax5. I agree with some others that this isn't a bad transmission, outside of a few flaws. If I planed on putting a big motor, or tires, or rock crawling I'd know to upgrade to something larger...stronger...

extra parts always equal failure...
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I just found this pic in an image search of the AX5 shift shafts. Looks like that belongs with the shift shaft for 2nd gear.
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I just found this pic in an image search of the AX5 shift shafts. Looks like that belongs with the shift shaft for 2nd gear.
I pushed the 1st/2cnd shift shaft out and there it was, a hole going through it and the pin fit perfectly. I've not looked close enough but I imagine other pins must push against this one and prevents it from shifting if everything isn't aligned up (or if this pin is missing).

Looking back I now know I don't have to take this apart.

Maybe this is where is car nuts fail on making a walk threw. When places like Youtube will host videos, why do we do the old fashions way with pictures? Showing a picture with three objects and not labeling them is confusing to those of us that don't know what is what...

As I plan on keeping the ax5 and buy up a few spares I'll do a video on how to disassemble one sometime..

Thanks for your help!
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I pushed the 1st/2cnd shift shaft out and there it was, a hole going through it and the pin fit perfectly. I've not looked close enough but I imagine other pins must push against this one and prevents it from shifting if everything isn't aligned up (or if this pin is missing).

Looking back I now know I don't have to take this apart.

Maybe this is where is car nuts fail on making a walk threw. When places like Youtube will host videos, why do we do the old fashions way with pictures? Showing a picture with three objects and not labeling them is confusing to those of us that don't know what is what...

As I plan on keeping the ax5 and buy up a few spares I'll do a video on how to disassemble one sometime..

Thanks for your help!
Your welcome. Glad I could help.
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:04 PM   #10
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Just wanted to finish this in case anyone came across it in a search.

The ones that limit you from shifting into only one gear are larger in diameter than either of these, some are short, some are long.

The top one is a needle bearing, which is under the 3rd/4th gear area. It's diameter is still smaller than the rail shift limiting ones.

I never did figure out where the smaller one went... its back together and working..

If anyone has one they'd like to sell (ax5) don't hesitate to pm me though. I'll be looking for spares.

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