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Old 03-13-2014, 06:34 PM   #1
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I think my '93 Wrangler is done for. This morning I backed out of the driveway, and as I put it in first the jeep wouldn't budge. Thinking I left the emergency brake on, pulled the lever. I realized that wasn't it...then I got worried. I tried putting it in 1st again, and revved the engine, it wouldn't budge. Got out to check underneath...no leaks, nothing unusual...Then I smelled something burning. As I think about it, I thought I might have heard something crack as I backed out of the driveway. There were some symptoms leading up to this:

1. Terrible mileage - went from 295-300/tank to 210-220/tank (took it to the garage, they couldn't find anything...put some dry gas in and tried a higher octane...didn't work)
2. Terrible acceleration - where I used to be able to maintain at least 50mph in 5th going uphill, I now am close to having to downshift to 3rd almost...in 4th it's starting to rattle at 50mph (used to be able to get up to 55-60mph easily in 4th)
3. Wobbly Turns - been noticing how the front in feels very wobbly the past two days.

Was planning to take the jeep in tomorrow morning, but looks like it will have to be towed.

Question: With jeep being almost 22yrs old, is it worth the effort? I was thinking gear box or transmission gone. The cost of fixing it is surely more than it's worth.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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Old 03-13-2014, 07:47 PM   #2
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If you didn't want to fix it I would part out or sale as is.Personally I would fix it.IT IS A YJ

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Old 03-13-2014, 07:58 PM   #3
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1. Terrible mileage always happens this time of year, the refineries put additive in the gas to keep it from freezing in their tanks and to keep the price competitive they cheapen the blend. But they don't bother to tell the public that.

2. Could be the signs of a clogged catalytic converter, Has it ever been changed? Probably long over do. Have you tried getting codes from the computer, if the motor is "sick", it will tell you what is wrong.

3. Wobbly in the turns could be anything from a bad tie rod to unbalanced tires. Wheel bearings going bad to broken belts in the tires. Hard to say on that one.

It looks like a fairly decent looking Jeep. I wouldn't give up on it.
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Thanks Decoy_58 and 0III0forlife. I appreciate the feedback. I think I am going to call the garage tomorrow and see if they can give me an idea of what's going on, then I'll decide what to do. Would love to pass this YJ on to someone who would appreciate the jeep. The inside is in good condition...no cracks in the panel, everything works. Would love to keep it, but my family's outgrown it (got 4 kids that I cart around everywhere, and a wife who refuses to drive it because it's stick)
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Old 03-24-2014, 02:48 PM   #5
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Well, I finally took the jeep to the garage. They said that the transmission synchronizers are not working properly. I hear transmission, and I think big bucks...in my heart it's still worth investigating. anyone know what the cost could be?
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I'm assuming its a 4cyl, so therefore its an Aisin AX5 trans. And if you wanted to go brand new replacement, they are around 1500 bucks.

A rebuild on your trans would be in the neighborhood of $500-600.

And a salvage yard trans price varies from yard to yard. In this area they go from $300-$500 on average.
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Well, I finally took the jeep to the garage. They said that the transmission synchronizers are not working properly. I hear transmission, and I think big bucks...in my heart it's still worth investigating. anyone know what the cost could be?
Man transmission shops will kill you ... I've had 2 friends who just had transmisison issues on their cars, not jeeps but cars, one cost $1400, the other $2600 ... They get you on the labor costs. I will be replacing my transmission on my TJ soon as I swamped it and I know its only a matter of time before it goes out ... I plan on doing it myself and have never done it before. Good luck man...
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I'm assuming its a 4cyl, so therefore its an Aisin AX5 trans. And if you wanted to go brand new replacement, they are around 1500 bucks.

A rebuild on your trans would be in the neighborhood of $500-600.

And a salvage yard trans price varies from yard to yard. In this area they go from $300-$500 on average.
Is that rebuild price including all the labor and everything? If so, thats not a bad price I would think.
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I'm assuming its a 4cyl, so therefore its an Aisin AX5 trans. And if you wanted to go brand new replacement, they are around 1500 bucks.

A rebuild on your trans would be in the neighborhood of $500-600.

And a salvage yard trans price varies from yard to yard. In this area they go from $300-$500 on average.
It's actually a 6cyl. I didn't think about the cost of possibly getting a refurbished trans. Still, that's a hefty bill if I'm looking at $1500 all said and done.

Wonder what I could get for the Jeep as is? Dear God in Heaven, I can't even fathom the thought of getting rid of this jeep. Brings me to tears almost. I've had this baby 22years.


Thanks for the input
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Man transmission shops will kill you ... I've had 2 friends who just had transmisison issues on their cars, not jeeps but cars, one cost $1400, the other $2600 ... They get you on the labor costs. I will be replacing my transmission on my TJ soon as I swamped it and I know its only a matter of time before it goes out ... I plan on doing it myself and have never done it before. Good luck man...
Thanks, NFGZ. I'm gonna need it.

Whoa! That's some serious duckets for getting the trans fixed. I would hope jeeps would be less costly than cars. But whenever you're talking transmissions, it's definitely gonna be big bucks.
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Is that rebuild price including all the labor and everything? If so, thats not a bad price I would think.
A complete rebuild kit for an AX5 is roughly $180. That gives you all the seals and thrust washers and synchronizers. As long as the gears are all ok, then it isn't hard to rebuild at all. The AX5 (4cyl) and the AX15 (6cyl) are both a surprisingly easy trans to rebuild.

All you need for tools are a good socket and wrench set, a couple sets of snap ring pliers, and a good drift pin punch. The rest is just put it back together the same way as you took it apart.

The average mechanic, with enough patience and attention to detail, can rebuild one in a step by step manner. The AX 15 that I currently have in my 87, I rebuilt myself before installing, and it took me about 9 hours total. Would've been less but there was beer involved...
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Yeah it seems like the cost is labor fees. These guys charge $100+ an hour for labor, and they'll have it all day, then add in the cost of whatever parts.
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A complete rebuild kit for an AX5 is roughly $180. That gives you all the seals and thrust washers and synchronizers. As long as the gears are all ok, then it isn't hard to rebuild at all. The AX5 (4cyl) and the AX15 (6cyl) are both a surprisingly easy trans to rebuild.

All you need for tools are a good socket and wrench set, a couple sets of snap ring pliers, and a good drift pin punch. The rest is just put it back together the same way as you took it apart.

The average mechanic, with enough patience and attention to detail, can rebuild one in a step by step manner. The AX 15 that I currently have in my 87, I rebuilt myself before installing, and it took me about 9 hours total. Would've been less but there was beer involved...
Nice!! I agree about the beer thing ... we changed the brakes on my wifes car the other day, it was amazing how fast we got it done ... It was the first time we've ever worked on a car without beer haha
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:41 AM   #14
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front brake calipers starting to lock up, replaced both at different times, no power, burning smells, bad mileage.
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:48 AM   #15
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collapsed b hoses on calipers I replaced them with the calipers

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