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Old 01-06-2014, 03:30 PM   #1
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Debating coil conversion... pull me back from the ledge

So my YJ has had a rough ride since the first day I owned it and started my massive project. I didnt realize how rough it was until it was all buttoned up and hitting the trails. Part of the reason i believe is due to my springs being fairly worn out and maybe my bilstein 5150s are getting worn out as well.

My front is shackle reversal with 5" leaf lift sitting spring under axle. The shackle is basically an inch away from the frame AKA almost NO up travel on the axle before i hit the frame.

My rear axle is same as the front but appears to have add a leaf so it is extremely tight and i have revolvers rear that appear to be sitting on the frame as well.

I saw this kit for the cheap side of things:
Pro Comp 5 In. Coil Spring Conversion Suspension System K3052B (87-95 Wrangler YJ) - Free Shipping K3052B - Free Shipping over $75!

Also I have an off road shop that can do "balls-to-the-wall" 4 link rear stretched, 5 link front stretched with hydro assist, cut rear tub, relocated gas tank, mini truss, etc. for 10 grand.


Only other option i can think of is to revert back to a set of new stock leafs, hope they re-suspend the revolvers in the rear and give my front shackles more room between the leaf eye and the frame and have someone weld me spring over axle perches to maintain my lift. (I have Dynatrac D60 axles and did some general measurements, id maintain height or possibly gain an inch of lift.)



I really dont know what to do... The 10 grand option sounds like a dream and I have the money for it but it also sounds absolutely foolish because i cant do it myself. The cheap coil conversion kit sounds appetizing but i thikn i will run into issues since i dont have stock axles which im sure that kit is designed for. My current spring setup has me jaded on the idea that SOA stock springs would be THAT much smoother of a ride. This last ride i went on is when i think i gave up... some of the trails we rode over felt like my jeep was going to fall apart if i attempted to keep up with everyone else. I was the only guy sporting leaf springs and they all said "time to get a TJ" SCREW THAT!!! Its hip to be square.

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Old 01-06-2014, 03:50 PM   #2
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A properly done Spring Over Axle will improve the ride quality some and should not cost more than a couple thousand at a shop.

If you have 10k to spend I would advise
-> Selling the YJ
-> Buying a TJ
-> Install the MetalCloak Suspension
-> Boom! Excellent ride quality and super off road abilities

And then I saw your signature. Never mind me...

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I know right? I also have heard some stories that SOA is a bit "Sketchy" on the highway. Not that my 4-banger really ever goes faster than 70MPH even if i try but... SOA I could do for a few hundred. Have a buddy weld the perches and a guy on Florida 4x4 is selling all 4 springs front and rear for $125.
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P.S. I think my Infiniti G37 is a smoother ride than my YJ. Ugh.
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my spring overs handle great at highway speeds
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Did you custom fab? Short arm or long arm? Did you go for regular spring over or coil over? I love your rear stretch! My dream YJ would look like yours with the stretched wheel base but without fab and welding skills, I would have to pay someone else. First of 3 shops gave me a price breakdown and admitted that 1/3rd of the 10K is labor. A significant amount of changes would have to be made to stretch the rear axle that I am unsure of the best way to complete such as longer brake lines, longer air locker line, longer drive shaft, relocated or altered gas tank to avoid rubbing and hitting under up-travel, etc. Yesterday my coworker that i discussed this with thought i was insane but then this morning he came in and said "you know what? sometimes you have to go big or go home."
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I think you know where I stand on this. I think we have discussed this before.
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WOW that's a lot of $$$ to throw into a 4 banger...
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Did you custom fab? Short arm or long arm? Did you go for regular spring over or coil over? I love your rear stretch! My dream YJ would look like yours with the stretched wheel base but without fab and welding skills, I would have to pay someone else. First of 3 shops gave me a price breakdown and admitted that 1/3rd of the 10K is labor. A significant amount of changes would have to be made to stretch the rear axle that I am unsure of the best way to complete such as longer brake lines, longer air locker line, longer drive shaft, relocated or altered gas tank to avoid rubbing and hitting under up-travel, etc. Yesterday my coworker that i discussed this with thought i was insane but then this morning he came in and said "you know what? sometimes you have to go big or go home."
I have 3 jeeps that are spring over and they all handle fine at highway speeds..the green cj7 is stretched with inbed full cell .it has stock yj springs.my other cj7 also has a full chevy running gear with 1/2 ton axles.it is running stock cj springs with stock gas tank and no stretch..my yj that is spring over uses stock yj springs,stock tank and no stretch
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The guys over on Pirate don't like the Procomp kit much.

I don't get the philosophy that you should sell your YJ & buy a TJ. What if you have good running gear & plenty of other aftermarket stuff installed? So you should sell your good Jeep & buy an unknown Jeep? Doesn't make sense to me, but then I have never installed a cool conversion kit either.

The Genright looks like it pretty we'll done to me.

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Old 01-08-2014, 12:21 PM   #11
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I think you know where I stand on this. I think we have discussed this before.
Oh, I know where you stand and i wish i could follow in your footsteps!

But... I would have to have a shop do it

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WOW that's a lot of $$$ to throw into a 4 banger...
Oh it sure is!!! I love it when they asked me if i was sitting down before throwing a # at me.

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I have 3 jeeps that are spring over and they all handle fine at highway speeds..the green cj7 is stretched with inbed full cell .it has stock yj springs.my other cj7 also has a full chevy running gear with 1/2 ton axles.it is running stock cj springs with stock gas tank and no stretch..my yj that is spring over uses stock yj springs,stock tank and no stretch
Despite having Dana 60 axles, I really don't plan on going much larger than 35s. My YJ as it sits currently clears my garage door by about 2" so I don't have much room to grow before I would have to consider a full top on it again. (I still like keeping her dry in the garage!) If i went SOA, would i get added flex compared to SUA and would it be a smoother ride on the trails aside from being safe at highway speeds? My flex is also pretty poor to be honest. Here is a picture of me maxing out my flex, you can see rear pass tire about an inch or two off the ground:


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The guys over on Pirate don't like the Procomp kit much.

I don't get the philosophy that you should sell your YJ & buy a TJ. What if you have good running gear & plenty of other aftermarket stuff installed? So you should sell your good Jeep & buy an unknown Jeep? Doesn't make sense to me, but then I have never installed a cool conversion kit either.

The Genright looks like it pretty we'll done to me.
The Genright kit would be a dream come true but then im still down to paying the 3K for labor which brings me back to 10 grand. The Genright kit has everything i would need to make my jeep sit how i dream it would but i dont know if i can justify spending twice as much on the suspension as i did on the whole jeep.
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On a different note, what fender flares do you have and are you happy with them?
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pretty sure that stock springs would give more flex and a better ride than your lifted springs
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Is anyone familiar with that Genright kit? Does it take a pro to make sure all is lined up and perfect or is it something that a 12 pack of beer and a welding buddy could solve? (of course beers saved for celebrating finishing the kit later that night) lol! Oh, also an angle grinder. one of those might be needed. Is a 3-link front road legal?

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I had a tj with a 3 link front and coil over airshocks..it had plenty of flex and rode good..at higher speeds,70,80 ,it didn't handle as good to me as my spring over jeeps
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How big of tires did you run? If I go up to 35s I'll probably max out at 65 pedal to the metal in 5th gear lol
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Is anyone familiar with that Genright kit?
I have installed several of those kits. IE: GenRight 3 link front, upper triangulated 4 link rear, and use the Synergy Systems towers front & rear, frame frenching, plus our own custom belly-up & hydro steering, anti-rocks, etc.

We generally alter the link brackets (we cut them apart in certain areas, alter them, and re-weld) to best suite the geometry we are shooting for and arm lengths.

I would not put my confidence into someone with little or no experience attempt to install this and get the geometry dialed-in correctly so that it climbs like a billygoat. In other words, its best left to someone with lots of experience if you want it dialed-in right.

We cut every single unnecessary associated bracket off the frame, clean it up like it was never there, then go to town doing the install of it all.
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That is exactly what the approx. $10,000 install contained. Custom triangulated rear 4 link and front 5 link with truss, old brackets removed, frame, axles, truss, and links painted black. They also would install a fuel cell, cut the rear of the tub for the rear axle stretch and add longer brake lines and hoses etc. Does that sound like a 10k job? Bigshocks coil overs were included in the price.
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I did some more digging, genright has a 3 link front and 4link rear kit that doesn't stretch the axle front or rear which means I wouldn't have to mess with all of the added craziness of stretching my wheel base. Both the front 3 link and rear 4link plus front shock hoops and rear shock hoops are about $3800 plus whatever the cost of coil overs would be. On top of that would be shop time but I would assume that cost would drastically decrease if they don't have to relocate my gas tank, cut my tub, etc.?
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How big of tires did you run? If I go up to 35s I'll probably max out at 65 pedal to the metal in 5th gear lol
the tj with the 3 link had 37's..my green cj7 with spring over has 37's..cj handles much better at any speed..the cj suspension is stiffer which I think is what makes it handle better,especially at higher speeds
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Yep, you can easily get up to $10K especially if you have $3K+ in just the coilovers. Add the link & tracbar brackets, joints, link material. fuel cell, stretch blah blah blah.

When we build one from scratch & installed two new axles (with all those brackets too) as well, plus custom hydro steering, our own belly up, blah blah blah, we will have the Jeep for several days or weeks depending on how much is involved.
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Any thoughts about running could in front & leaf springs in the back?

Just thinking that it could be done in 2 stages. Or that the leaf rear may tow better than a coil rear.
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Any thoughts about running could in front & leaf springs in the back?

Just thinking that it could be done in 2 stages. Or that the leaf rear may tow better than a coil rear.
that's what my tj was..coil over front with longer leaf rear
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That is actually a great idea, convert rear to spring over leaf and front to the 3 link kit with coilovers? I dig it. But should I do front or rear first?
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That is actually a great idea, convert rear to spring over leaf and front to the 3 link kit with coilovers? I dig it. But should I do front or rear first?
front is a lot more involved so I would probably do it first..then adjusting the rear to match would be easier..
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That looks amazing
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That looks amazing
it was pretty bad but I can't take any credit for building anything on that one except the flat front fenders.I traded a 180 horse,bad chopper for it,drove it about a year and then sold it to a dude in Missouri.this is the pic that sold me on trading for it. it could climb trees...
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Haha awesome picture! I think I'm going to hold off on coilovers. Final number on doing front coilovers and rear SOA is roughly 6 potentially save a few dollars if the labor time ends up being less than expected. Jeepers Den had a lot of projects there that looked well done for me to trust them if I do it in the future.

Spring over front and rear will be 800-1200 depending on if I supply springs or not. Will stock springs be okay or do I really need springs designed for spring over conversion? The flatter the spring the better to avoid more lift than I want.
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sell your yj and get a 4.o tj and build it
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Haha awesome picture! I think I'm going to hold off on coilovers. Final number on doing front coilovers and rear SOA is roughly 6 potentially save a few dollars if the labor time ends up being less than expected. Jeepers Den had a lot of projects there that looked well done for me to trust them if I do it in the future.

Spring over front and rear will be 800-1200 depending on if I supply springs or not. Will stock springs be okay or do I really need springs designed for spring over conversion? The flatter the spring the better to avoid more lift than I want.
yes,stock springs work great and will give you the best ride..I have stock yj springs on my yj and on the green cj7...my white cj7 has stock cj springs..they are all spring over

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