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Old 08-19-2014, 08:47 PM   #1
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I am doing my clutch this weekend. First jeep clutch. It's a 1995 wrangler Rio Grande 2.5l. I heard the top bolts are reverse torque. Can someone help me on if this is true

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My bell housing bolts on the 92 were all the same all normal torque bolts. I had a hell of a time getting the top ones undone. A deWalt 1/2 inch drive electric impact, a strategically placed universal and a lot of patience. I am a sworn believer in using six sided sockets as well. I've had a lot of luck not rounding bolts that way.

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I am doing my clutch this weekend. First jeep clutch. It's a 1995 wrangler Rio Grande 2.5l. I heard the top bolts are reverse torque. Can someone help me on if this is true
Not sure what they are on the ax5 but on the ax15 they ARE reverse torx. I can get you the size later. I just have to go out and find the bit
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I believe it's the ax-15. It's a 4 cylinder 5 speed 95
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I believe it's the ax-15. It's a 4 cylinder 5 speed 95
I though 4bangers had ax5s...idk I've been up for 18 hours now so idk. Either way it's an E12

Don't be worried about doing the clutch either I did it for the first time a couple months ago and it was cake. Let me know if you have other questions I might be able to remember
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AX5 on the 4 cylinder and AX15 on the 6 cylinder.
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All of my bell housing bolts were hex. I had one of those six pointed (looks like a reverse torx) on my transmission to transfer case bolts but not on the bell housing.
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I might add that that would be the stock transmission for the 4 cylinder is the AX5. No telling what someone has done since then. My 92 has a transmission from a 2000 TJ in it but the bell housing is from the 92.
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Maybe I got the numbers backwards. So how does the reverse torque bolt thing work. IV never heard of them before
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Thanks for all information everyone
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I think that I was a little confused by your initial post. When you said reverse torque bolt I thought you meant like a left handed thread. Now looking at the posts I think you meant reverse torx not reverse torque. You'll be able to tell by just feeling up there. Then if you have a set of them like I do, just put one up there until you get the right one.
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I meant torx
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Maybe I got the numbers backwards. So how does the reverse torque bolt thing work. IV never heard of them before
See the photo I posted...instead of the torx being in like a vag like normal, it pokes out like a weewee. And then you just unscrew it like a normal bolt. Nothing magic about them lol
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Lol. I didn't know that was the proper name for them.
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:44 AM   #15
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Lol. I didn't know that was the proper name for them.
Lol. Nope just literally an inverted torx bolt
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in processs of doin mine , 94 4.0...the top 2 were like that...and as u would know the last one was froze up tighter than dicks hat band...lol.....i had to get a dremel in there and cut it out...now if i could find all my bolts i could throw it back together...i had never done one either and my time is scarce so allowed myself 2 days for the job..now after 2 months at my father in laws house some of the bolts have went missing even though i had them all together....so make sure u put them all in a sealed container..just in case...lol
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Not trying to be a douche but I'm young (21) and I did do mine in two days so it's possible. The biggest problem for me was getting the input shaft out/in. Pain in the butt!! Honestly I think it took me longer to get it out/in than the rest of the process took.

So for the torx bolts I got a swivel, and two 18" extensions as well as, a couple other adaptors; probably 4' in total. Had my dad hold it on the bolt at the bell housing then I used a breaker break to break them free. That and getting it out/in was the only time I needed a second pair of hands
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I used a floor transmission jack. That made it pretty easy getting it in and out. I took both the transmission and the transfer case down. I got lucky with the extensions and universal by having what I needed on hand. The electric 1/2" drive impact wrench made getting the bolts out a lot easier than using a breaker bar. I was able to do that solo as well. All depends on what you have.
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Yeah I did it the sketch way because NO one had an transmission jacks HF, autozone, pepboys, etc no one had one... So I just used three floor jacks. One on the engine, one on the tranny and one on the tcase. Wrapped a tow strap around it and then stuffed up the shifter hole to help me control it on the way down/up. Also made a point of never being under it or close enough for it to fall on me when taking it out/ putting it in. I did alone but the removal/installation he was working on other stuff in the same garage as me
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I got this jack from Harbor Freight. It worked wonders. I've used it three times and it has paid for itself.
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I got this jack from Harbor Freight. It worked wonders. I've used it three times and it has paid for itself.
:fist: that's what I was trying to get
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I compare the price of doing it myself VS having someone do it for me. It is surprising the amount of tools that can be purchased if you do it yourself and still come out cheaper than the price of someone doing it for you. That was an important factor in deciding to purchase the transmission jack. The more times that the transmission has to come down for whatever repair, the more you save by having it around. First use was a clutch repair. After I had a new clutch on it I then had a problem with third gear synchro. Purchased a transmission off of a 2000 TJ and thus the second use of the jack. Then my son tossed the rear shaft and had to take the transfer case down to rebuild it (and install a slip joint eliminator kit) thus the third use. I now have 100K miles on my JK and soon will likely need a new clutch. That will be the forth use of the jack when that happens. Yah, it has paid for itself.
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Please, please don't take this the wrong way but anyone who has ran a (successful) business would knows there's a lot more that actually goes into pricing things out. The bulk of the cost is overhead. Yeah sure you have the cost of labor plus the clutch kit. But if you charge just that, who pays to keep the lights on, or all the utilities for that matter, the tools (new or repairs), the all forms of insurance (workmen's Comp. building insurance etc.), advertising, what little or lot money does the boss makes etc, etc. there's a lot to it other than just the direct costs for businesses.
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I compare the price of doing it myself VS having someone do it for me. It is surprising the amount of tools that can be purchased if you do it yourself and still come out cheaper than the price of someone doing it for you. That was an important factor in deciding to purchase the transmission jack. The more times that the transmission has to come down for whatever repair, the more you save by having it around. First use was a clutch repair. After I had a new clutch on it I then had a problem with third gear synchro. Purchased a transmission off of a 2000 TJ and thus the second use of the jack. Then my son tossed the rear shaft and had to take the transfer case down to rebuild it (and install a slip joint eliminator kit) thus the third use. I now have 100K miles on my JK and soon will likely need a new clutch. That will be the forth use of the jack when that happens. Yah, it has paid for itself.
My father taught me this a long time ago. I do as much work as I can myself. Then I take the cost a shop would have charged, divide that by two, bank half, and buy tools I need with the other half. Not a bad deal for me. I know shops have expenses and overhead, but I' rather keep the money in my pocket and sleep knowing the job was done right, and know I saved some $$.
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Please, please don't take this the wrong way but anyone who has ran a (successful) business would knows there's a lot more that actually goes into pricing things out. The bulk of the cost is overhead. Yeah sure you have the cost of labor plus the clutch kit. But if you charge just that, who pays to keep the lights on, or all the utilities for that matter, the tools (new or repairs), the all forms of insurance (workmen's Comp. building insurance etc.), advertising, what little or lot money does the boss makes etc, etc. there's a lot to it other than just the direct costs for businesses.
Didn't take it the wrong way. I'm not afraid to spend money to have a mechanic do work for me. I didn't have the tools to do my son's exhaust and catalytic converter so I paid to have it done. They did a better job than I could have done and all of the joints were welded instead of clamped. I was happy with the results.

It is for the reasons that you stated in the above posts that causes people to compare the price of doing it yourself to having it done by a mechanic. In addition to the fact that you were able to accomplish a difficult task on your own jeep, there is also a certain amount of satisfaction gained by doing it yourself. The tools can be a limiting factor. That is why you always need to at least keep track of what is being spent to get the job done while comparing it to having it done for you.
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Oh I agree 100% with everything you all have said about doing your own work. I haven't taken any of my three jeeps to any shops.

It's just people see 130 for the clutch kit and then 6 hours of labor for lets say 170 and then the shop charges 500 and then they're like OGMZ
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Did the clutch myself. The top bolts were normal not the nipple type torx. Only 7 hours of work. When I pulled my transmission and transfer case down. I red the tag on the transfer case it says 272 ratio is that normal
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Did the clutch myself. The top bolts were normal not the nipple type torx. Only 7 hours of work. When I pulled my transmission and transfer case down. I red the tag on the transfer case it says 272 ratio is that normal
'Nipple type' = reverse torx.

There is no such thing as a NP272 in a Jeep. Chevy yes. You're looking at the gear reduction ratio or just reading it wrong. Lol it's probably a 231 not sure if wranglers came with 242s or not
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It's a 231 but I ment is that gear ratio normal. It's my first jeep so I'm still learning. Sorry
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No it's all good man, my XJ and YJ both have that as well :thumbup:

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