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Old 01-20-2011, 07:41 PM   #1
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Idle problem 1990 4.2 wrangler

I have a 1990 4.2 6 cyl wrangler. Canít get idle to stabilize. I know there are lots of posts about idel problem but none that match my symptoms. The idle seems to swing about 400 rpm, so if I set to 600 rpm it occasionally revs to 1000 rpm. It holds these different rpms for awhile. This is not the computer thing the kicks in when rpm drop to about 500 and kicks the rpm up to about 700 for a sec.It starts great when cold, when luke warm very hard to start, when fully warmed up will only start if the gas peddle is all the way to the floor. Dont knowif that is related to the idle problem. Have replace wires, will replace cap, rotor and plugs this weekend. I know it can be many things so any help with diagnosing would be great. Thanks for any help you can provide. Bruce

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Old 01-20-2011, 07:48 PM   #2
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are you still running factory carter carb?

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Old 01-20-2011, 09:33 PM   #3
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I know my old Carter would start cold great and idle good till it warmed up..
Then the gas drip in the carb would catch up with it and run bad... you could drive it and it would run ok till you got to a light.. then it might stall.. I changed mine out to a holley fixed that issue.. Carters were junk from the factory.. You might try rebuilding it.. but id bet money it wouldnt fix it..

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Old 01-21-2011, 12:27 AM   #4
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Factory Carter carb

Yes I have the factory Carter carb, since I live in California I thought I could not upgrade the card. Is there a california option for a carb replacement?? Bruce
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:14 AM   #5
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Double check all of your vacuum lines.
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:08 PM   #6
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Agree with last post, sounds like a vacuum leak. A vacuum tester is worth its weight in gold on these older vehicles. It is cheap and will help diagnose your problems.
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:26 PM   #7
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I bet its leaking air at the throttle
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:09 PM   #8
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Replaced cap, rotor, wires, plugs and ran a can of seafoam thorugh the carb. Found a couple of plugs gap too wide and the timeing was off. Seem to be running better but still have the 2 different idles. I checked for leaks, sprayed choak cleaner on any place suspect and no effect. Asks more like a switch, it can be sitting at the curb, just watching it and it will drop from 900 rpm to 500 rpm. I do think air is getting in somewhere but maybe related to something in emission controls and is switching on and allowing air in. Except for the wierd idle seem to be drivable so will keep tring things but back on the road. Thanks for all the ideas, Bruce
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After all of that, I would try adjusting the carb. solenoid located on the front driver's side of the carb. When your idle is at 500, bring out the rod in order to bump up the idle.
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Old 02-06-2011, 04:42 PM   #10
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A little more info. Could not find an air leak, have notice that the high idle occours when the jeep front end is higher and the read, stopped going up hill, if I turn it around the idle drops. Also looking down ito the carb when it is high idle there is gas driping into the venturi. When it is turn around and the idle drops the dripping also stops. THat must be causing the high idle but not sure how to fix the drip. Any thoughts.
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Old 02-06-2011, 04:53 PM   #12
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This was posted by 82 shortbox awhile back, which might help you.

Easy Fix for Jeep 258 Carter BBD Idle Problem




by Terry L. Howe




The Jeep 258 (4.2L) I6 isn't a power house, but it has gobs of low RPM torque that makes it a great engine off-road. The most common problem I see with the engine is it's inability to idle. Between the 258 in my '81 CJ-7 and a couple friends that have 258 equipped Wranglers, I have fixed this problem half a dozen times and the cause of the problem has always been the same. The problem has always been caused by clogged idle tubes that cause fuel to drip out of the venturis and make the Jeep run rich at idle. Fixing the problem is relatively easy and once you get past this problem, you will get much more enjoyment from the 258 and the Carter BBD carburetor.

The Carter BBD is a two barrel carburetor that was available on late 70s to late 80s Jeeps with the 4.2L engine. There are two variations of the carburetor, one is computer controlled and has a stepper motor on the back side. The computer controlled version was used after 1981. Other than that, the two versions are the same although it seems the stepper motor version is a bit more troublesome.

The Symptoms
The symptoms of the problem include stumbling and sputtering at idle. In advanced cases, the Jeep will stall at every stop sign and will only run at high RPMs. Gas mileage will suffer since fuel will just be sloshing out at idle. Sometimes the idle will be turned up to a high RPM to avoid the problem. Typically, the Jeep will run fine at higher RPMs (unless there are also other problems.)
For a sure diagnosis, park the Jeep with the engine off and remove the air cleaner cover. There should be a plate over the throat of the carb, the choke plate. If you open the choke plate you should be able to see down the throat of the carb and you should see two screws with holes in the middle of them. Next to them are two passages with a nozzle in the middle of each. This thing is known as the venturi, when air passes by, fuel is supposed to be drawn out through the nozzles. If the idle tubes are clogged fuel will drip from those nozzles during idle.

In order to see if fuel drips from the nozzles at idle, you must start your Jeep with the air cleaner cover off and look down the throat of the carb. The Jeep Technical Service Manual recommends that, when you do this, you cover the air cleaner with a piece of plexiglass since the engine can backfire through the carb and a flame can shoot out. Since I am reckless and like living dangerously, I never do this.

After you have chosen the wise or foolish path, start your Jeep and open the choke plate. If your idle tubes are badly clogged, you will see fuel dripping from the nozzles at idle (if your Jeep will idle at all.) If you don't see fuel dripping, but your idle is still poor, open the throttle a bit with your hand or have a friend hit the accelerator. You should see two even streams of fuel and no dripping from the nozzles. Any dripping means clogged idle tubes.

While you are doing this, make sure you don't put your hand or anything else into rotating parts like the fan. Keep your tie away from that thing (some people just want to look good all the time.) Same goes if you are a "long hair, freaky" Tesla type. All joking aside, I've heard some bad stories.



The Solution
Neither removal of the carburetor nor a complete rebuild is necessary to fix the problem. To fix the problem, start with you Jeep off and parked securely:
Remove the air cleaner cover and air cleaner. You may need to remove a few hoses and wires to get the air cleaner out of the way. Make sure you tag them all so you can put them back in the right spot. It's often easiest not to remove the heater hose that goes to the exhaust manifold, if you have one.
Remove hoop that holds air cleaner.
Remove the two screws holding the choke plate with a 3/16" socket or small flat blade screw driver depending on what screws you have holding it. Be careful not to drop the screws down the manifold unless you enjoy fishing. Remove the choke plate.
If your carb has one, remove the plate on the side that covers the choke linkage so you can access the screw holding the choke rod. It may be necessary to drill out a rivet to get it free.
Remove the little snap ring and screw (1/4" socket) that holds the rod that holds the choke plate and remove the rod. A screw driver will normally push off the snap ring.
Remove the two screws with holes in the middle of them and carefully remove the venturi cluster with the two little gaskets. There should be two idle pickup tubes pushed into the venturi sticking out of the bottom. If they have fallen out, that could cause your idle problem.
Blast the venturi and inside of carb with lots of carb cleaner. Be sure not to dislodge the check ball in the center.
With a long thin pin or piece of piano wire, make sure the idle tubes and nozzles are clear. After you have run them through, spray with more carb cleaner.
Put the cleaned out venturi cluster back with the two gaskets and two screws.
Replace the choke rod with snap ring and screw and replace the choke plate. Make sure all the screws are tight that hold together the carb body at this time. Often the screws will loosen up and dirt will be sucked into the carb.
Replace the plate covering the choke linkage with a sheet metal screw, or leave it off.
Replace the air cleaner.
Smooth idle should have returned after this simple process. If you still have idle problems and don't have any dripping, make sure all the vacuum hoses are hooked up and in good shape. Also check for leaks around the intake manifold or a loose carburetor.
To avoid repeated clogged idle tubes, drill out the idle tubes to 0.032". This will greatly reduce the frequency of clogging and it is a procedure that was actually recommended by Jeep for a while.

An alternative to removing the choke plate and all is to just remove the top of the carburetor. The advantage of this approach is you can make sure there isn't a lot of junk in the bowls, you can check your float adjustment, etc. It also may help if you have power brakes because the master cylinder may be in the way of getting the choke rod out.

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Thanks to Randy Peterson for posting this solution a few years back. I've used it on various Jeeps many times since.

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