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Old 08-18-2011, 12:58 PM   #1
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I'm SERIOUSLY bummed about my YJ

Hey guys, i haven't been on in a while. Actually, my Jeep has been sitting for the past month or so. About a month ago, i was at the drive-thru at the bank and the lady over the microphone said "Sir, your CAR is leaking water or something". I looked out the window and sure enough, coolant was spilling out from overheating. It's been over 100* here in Dallas for a while now so i don't blame it for getting hot, but i was distracted and didn't keep an eye on the thermostat. So, i hopped on the road real quick to get some air flowing through it and it went down to operating temperature......until i got to a stop light. it DIED. i got it started again and it was running terribly. i baaaarely made it home, then it died again. it was really, really hot too. I've been so busy at work lately that it's just been sitting there

So after i finally got up some funds and a little time, i had it towed to a local shop. They tore it apart and said the head gasket was shot. They sent the head to a machine shop where they did a full valve job on it, they said the valves weren't sealing up right. They also replaced the water pump, thermostat, timing chain, starter, all the gaskets, and cleaned all the carbon and crap out of it. Final tab came to a little over $1600.

I finally got it back and was on my way home to replace the radiator. it overheated AGAIN. i pulled off the side of the road, and the Jeep lost power and shut off. had it towed to a radiator shop, they called me this morning and said there was something in the oil and it wouldn't start up and they won't work on it. So i'm having it towed back to the shop that worked on it originally. what REALLY sucks is they told me before i left that the radiator needs replacing and that if it overheated, all warrenties are voided. I didn't pay too much attention to it, since i was on my way home to replace it. I feel like a total idiot, and i can't express how bummed i am. I should have just had them replace the radiator while it was there. I just hope the block isn't cracked.

sorry for the long read, but i had to get it out.

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Old 08-18-2011, 01:38 PM   #2
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That sucks! Unfortunately your radiator is quite possibly what caused the head and head gasket to fail. Suprised they did all that work and then let you leave with a known bad radiator.

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yeah thats kind of sh**ty of them. Well i wish the best for and hopfully its not a cracked block. but if it is, this is the perfect time for a cummins!
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well i know it's my own fault. when they said needed replacing, i already knew that....that's where i was going...to replace it! they didnt say that i would get 3 miles down the road and the freakin thing would melt.....

lets say that they find out there is SERIOUS mechanical damage, what are my best economical options? a used 350? a block from a junkyard? roll the Jeep off of a cliff?
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yeah thats kind of sh**ty of them. Well i wish the best for and hopfully its not a cracked block. but if it is, this is the perfect time for a cummins!
How is it shitty of them? They let the customer know, and the customer chose to drive off. They can't force beefmobile to let them put a new radiator in. It just sounds like a case of suckass luck.

Anyway, probably the cheapest alternative is pulling the head off yourself, taking it to a machine shop, and then reassembling everything yourself. IMO, the cheapest alternative with the highest rate of success would be having a junkyard install a used engine with low miles. You can probably get than done for under $1,500.
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It sounds like they just started taking parts off and ran up a bill without addressing the original problem. 99% of the time on an over heat situation a good shop will start with the thermostat then the radiator then possibly the water pump if the flow doesn't seem right. But to break down an engine and go right to the head gasket and then, not replacing the radiator which is relatively inexpensive, I never heard of making repairs that way unless all they care about is $. Just about anyone can tear off and replace parts. It takes an honest and experienced tech to diagnose and fix it properly. Then they say since the "radiator" caused the problem they won't warranty the work. The radiator and thermostat was most likely the problem to begin with. That would be the last place I would take it.
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well i asked them to replace most of those parts. they called and told me the water pump was leaking, so i said replace it. Then when they finished, they started it up and realized the radiator was clogged up. they said they could change it out, but i wanted to do it myself. Again, this is primarily my fault. I am pretty stuborn sometimes and i wish they would have said 'HEY DUMB ASS, DON'T DRIVE YOUR JEEP YET. IT'S GOING TO EXPLODE".......
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another thing to note is the jeep was not running when i brought it to them, so there was no easy answer. just replacing the radiator would have done nothing but gotten me a new radiator....still wouldn't have had a running jeep
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Zoltan is right. I know you don't need any more salt rubbed in the wound. It's not on the shop once they make a suggestion. It's refreshin gthat you aren't laying it their lap.

And it doesn't sound like they gouged you too much. a blown head gasket/valves/machining is expensive work. But I don't need to tell you that!
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well i asked them to replace most of those parts. they called and told me the water pump was leaking, so i said replace it. Then when they finished, they started it up and realized the radiator was clogged up. they said they could change it out, but i wanted to do it myself. Again, this is primarily my fault. I am pretty stuborn sometimes and i wish they would have said 'HEY DUMB ASS, DON'T DRIVE YOUR JEEP YET. IT'S GOING TO EXPLODE".......
Ok. You said it all.
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$1600 for the entire job and parts? That's actually pretty good. One thing regarding the shop though, they should have replaced the rad instead of the starter. Since the rad is one of the major reasons a gasket would crack in the first place not sure why they would not replace it...and I'm no mechanic but how would a starter be an issue in the cracked head gasket?

Good luck bro.
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Now might be a good time to buy a crate 350 and put in it....you could have the head re-done again, but it could have a hair line crack in it....I would just take the hit and replace the motor...once they get super hot like that, there done....don't soak anymore money in that motor....I got a buddy that slapped a 350 in his and he is one happy camper....got some serious power....
I went to Jeeps of Texas today and had my whole cooling system flushed, new thermo and upper and lower hoses replaced....
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:35 PM   #13
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they replaced the starter because it was shot and i asked them too.

also, i got the bad news. apparently the rings are sticking to the pistons and there is no compression on any of the cylinders. The guys at the shop suggested a new short block, and i got a quote for someone to rebuild mine. $710 for the rebuild and the machine shop will pick it up and deliver for free. The shop its at offered to pull the motor and have it ready for the machine shop, clean it all out, paint, and re-assemble for $1500.

is it worth it???
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they replaced the starter because it was shot and i asked them too.

also, i got the bad news. apparently the rings are sticking to the pistons and there is no compression on any of the cylinders. The guys at the shop suggested a new short block, and i got a quote for someone to rebuild mine. $710 for the rebuild and the machine shop will pick it up and deliver for free. The shop its at offered to pull the motor and have it ready for the machine shop, clean it all out, paint, and re-assemble for $1500.

is it worth it???
The total being $710+1500? 2210 dollars for that... hmmm, no. Better to just either A) Find a donor Jeep, may it be wrecked or junked, what have you. B) Buy a new engine completely.

If you can find an abandoned YJ that has the same engine as yours, you can literally just take it out and plug everything back in. There aren't too many things to plug in, either. But that's up to you.

As a general rule, though: If the job costs 50% or more of the price of a new engine, get the new engine.

Also note: In my area, you can find a Cherokee for dirt cheap (Lowest I've seen is $750 bucks for one with 110k miles). And you can gnab a lot of parts off of it, to either sell or use... and you can sell the transmission after words and maybe even the shell.
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So i have them moving forards with the build. the bottom end is getting completely done, and i'm having them take the head, too. I'm tired of applying band-aid after band-aid. You guys have no idea how much i want my Jeep back...and to have it back RUNNING.
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So i have them moving forards with the build. the bottom end is getting completely done, and i'm having them take the head, too. I'm tired of applying band-aid after band-aid. You guys have no idea how much i want my Jeep back...and to have it back RUNNING.
Your perogative... I'd personally get a new block.
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:36 PM   #17
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actually i changed my mind. I found a guy locally that has a strong-running 4.2 with everything still attached. It is still in his jeep and i'm going to go check it out and listen to it. I offered him $450 for everything and him to pull it.
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i would check that 4.2 real good....might even compression check it....milage is a big factor...why is he removing it...etc....
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Sorry to do it but I'm throwing up a red flag.

If you can get it put in for 450 that's a deal too good to be true, and normally when they're too good to be true, they actually are.

Just don't waste another 500 on an engine with the same problems...I would spend the extra money on a good used engine, Hell there's a guy on Craigslist selling an ls5 (I think that's the one that comes out of Chevy trucks, the Corvette motor but heavy cast) for 850 with 105k miles, you don't have to settle. Good luck man.
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He's pulling the motor because he wants to put in a 350. He's not installing and everything for $450, I'm just buying it for that much. The shop is installing it. Also, I heard it run and it sounds good. No smoke or knocks. Runs strong IMO
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how many miles is on it...
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Well good luck on the repairs, I can't imagine being without a JEEP in good running condition! Keep us posted!

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