Lift? rough C plus stock springs - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > YJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > YJ Tech Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 02-15-2010, 10:54 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Lightbulb Lift? rough C plus stock springs

I'm curious if I can take my 4 inch rc lift and my stock 88 springs and make a bigger spring lift?

I want to ditch my 3 bl and have just suspension. I no it will ride stiff but I don't care it's a jeep not my dd that has a payment

Pros Cons or can't be done thanks guys time and time again you are always help full

__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-15-2010, 10:58 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
whiteyj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Pleasanton CA
Posts: 4,856
???? Only way to go bigger would be to take the stock springs and go SOA? Insanely high would be the RC 4" springs as a SOA.

__________________
Fallen Angel...Former MOD
whiteyj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-15-2010, 11:13 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
But Spring over drops my axles not gaining any clearance taking it away really right? Just asking cause I don't no
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-15-2010, 11:37 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
yjkid95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Great Lakes, Illinios.
Posts: 1,849
if you think about it this way the only way your axle will get more clearance is if you put bigger tires on the spring never actually lifts your axle and gives your axle more clearance. if you were to lift the axle with springs it would just put it closer to the body making your car lower to the ground.
yjkid95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-15-2010, 11:38 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
yjkid95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Great Lakes, Illinios.
Posts: 1,849
i think that makes sense
yjkid95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 06:32 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by yjkid95 View Post
if you think about it this way the only way your axle will get more clearance is if you put bigger tires on the spring never actually lifts your axle and gives your axle more clearance. if you were to lift the axle with springs it would just put it closer to the body making your car lower to the ground.
That does not make sense to me at all I did a 4 inch lift on my dads 87 and it cleared 33's and made it sit higher, it had the tiny 29's on it from factory to start with

No lift= 29's 4 inch rc lift= 33's ?

Not understanding your statement at all lift's are for the sole purpose of bigger tires ya I could hack my fenders off and put 38's on it but that make's it illegal for the road use
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:11 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by 89PBR96 View Post
But Spring over drops my axles not gaining any clearance taking it away really right? Just asking cause I don't no
wow, your axles don't move, the only thing that changes axle clearance is tires. spring over moves all the low hanging springs and plates from underneath the axle to over it, gaining clearance and suspension travel..

soa done properly will give you the ride you want, better than any sua lift, and with newer springs will give you around 6" lift, i don't recomend it with tired springs though.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:18 PM   #8
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
wow, your axles don't move, the only thing that changes axle clearance is tires. spring over moves all the low hanging springs and plates from underneath the axle to over it, gaining clearance and suspension travel..

soa done properly will give you the ride you want, better than any sua lift, and with newer springs will give you around 6" lift, i don't recomend it with tired springs though.
Doesn't it make my axle housing sit lower? Since it's under the springs? I'm Just curious here I want to get more suspension lift and less body lift I would like to go 1 1/2 body at most loose the three and I thought combining the rc 4 inch and a set of stockers would give me more clearance for tires I want to run 35's and be able to function in full articulation
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:28 PM   #9
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
your axle doesn't move, for the second time. it stays where it is, the suspension is raised over the axle, thus lifting the whole jeep the distance it sat below the axle, over the axle. again the only thing that changes your axle's clearance is tires.

soa:


sua:


these are the first examples i saw on google images, notice the difference in approach angle, and less things hanging down on the soa.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:30 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
oh yeah, i would not try to make a bastard leaf pack by adding an old tired stock leaf to a new lifted leaf pack, i doubt it would help at all.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:33 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
this is my 90 soa w/ pretty old 2" leaf springs and 33" tires, look at the clearance under the axle, nothing hanging down, no u bolts or spring plates underneath, and the leaf springs are up out of the way giving a better approach angle. my frame off build is also soa.

__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:35 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Ok thanks for spelling it out for me. I don't no all the ins and outs. So it compresses the springs the other way and your saying not to try and double up two sets of springs? I'm not looking to have pissing matches just want to no what I can do With the parts I got.
Thanks
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:37 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
no problem, i'm just trying to figure out the best way to make it make sense, not always easy to do. its hard to visualize sometimes.

i wouldn't say they compress the other way, they are just mounted on top of the axle, lifting the whole jeep and gaining ground clearance. the only thing that can make the axle farther off the ground is tires.

what about a 4" rc lift, and a 1" shackle? if you don't want to get as involved as soa
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:38 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
this is my 90 soa w/ pretty old 2" leaf springs and 33" tires, look at the clearance under the axle, nothing hanging down, no u bolts or spring plates underneath, and the leaf springs are up out of the way giving a better approach angle. my frame off build is also soa.

Sits about like mine with 4 inch and 3 inch gayness

A 4 inch soa is not safe or I need to stretch and change drive shaft /pinion angle???
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:39 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
4" soa is pretty huge, that one is on 2" springs that have been wheeled, and worn a little. i wouldn't do 4" soa, you're talking about 10" lift.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:40 PM   #16
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
no problem, i'm just trying to figure out the best way to make it make sense, not always easy to do. its hard to visualize sometimes.

i wouldn't say they compress the other way, they are just mounted on top of the axle, lifting the whole jeep and gaining ground clearance. the only thing that can make the axle farther off the ground is tires.

what about a 4" rc lift, and a 1" shackle? if you don't want to get as involved as soa
Well I'm doing this on my 94 it has the 4 inch rc the 88 I'm parting has shackles not sure on size but that's where I was trying to make my lift helps to explain a little more also my bad
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:42 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
4" soa is pretty huge, that one is on 2" springs that have been wheeled, and worn a little. i wouldn't do 4" soa, you're talking about 10" lift.
Holy molly really I'm losing the bl just so you no also but really wow
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:45 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
i say run the 4" sua lift kit run 33" tires and have a ball, especially if you don't wanna start dropping the bigger coin on soa. besides, any bigger tires and you're talking about needing to upgrade the axles to.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:45 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
huber15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: lindenhurst IL
Posts: 196
so if I am understanding this. If you do a soa with stock springs you get about 5" of lift?
__________________
LiveWire 93 YJ ac orange =mine
10 JK Rubi Rescue green = wife's
huber15 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:46 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by huber15 View Post
so if I am understanding this. If you do a soa with stock springs you get about 5" of lift?
yep, 5.5 or so.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:48 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
huber15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: lindenhurst IL
Posts: 196
does it do any thing for ride quality?
__________________
LiveWire 93 YJ ac orange =mine
10 JK Rubi Rescue green = wife's
huber15 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 09:53 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
i say run the 4" sua lift kit run 33" tires and have a ball, especially if you don't wanna start dropping the bigger coin on soa. besides, any bigger tires and you're talking about needing to upgrade the axles to.
I'm willing to spend some but if it's going to be to much I would rather start from scratch What would the shackles do you think off the 88 center of bolt to bolt hole is 6 1/2 inches is that to much/what size are those lift shackles
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 11:23 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
birdhunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,495
1"
__________________

"locked and loaded"
birdhunter is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-16-2010, 11:26 PM   #24
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by birdhunter View Post
1"
Thanks
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-17-2010, 02:42 AM   #25
Jeeper
 
yjkid95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Great Lakes, Illinios.
Posts: 1,849
jpdocdave made sense of what i was trying to say early
yjkid95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-17-2010, 03:23 AM   #26
Genius!

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
Coyote_94YJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 20,888
Send a message via ICQ to Coyote_94YJ Send a message via Yahoo to Coyote_94YJ
Sorry mate, don't know how I missed this thread. Oh I know, I was watching a movie.

I am going to pretty much say, x2 to what Dave said but add a bit. In regards to your question about bastard spring packs, your tired old stock springs alone on an SOA will give you 5.5" of lift so it is higher than the 4 inch you're running now. If you build the spring packs like I did that will give you 3 more inches... for a while but once it settles in will be about 2-2.5" of lift. I would most definitely not add the stock leaves to your lift springs. It isn't going to do anything. If you have 2 sets of stock springs you could combine some leaves from both packs if your going SOA.

I think this might help you understand lift a little better. More lift allows for larger tires and larger tires is what gets your diff off the ground more. In the case of your dads lift the only reason the diff was farther off the ground is because he fit the 33's if he'd done the lift and left the 29's on there the diff would have been the same height off the ground as if he'd never done the lift at all. Now if he would have done no lift at all and cut the fenders off totally and fit 38's his diffs would have been much higher off the ground.


And to answer huber15's question. A SOA on stock springs(5.5") will ride almost like stock. Far better than a 4" SUA lift.


89PBR96, I wouldn't use shackles greater than 1" It doesn't do much and it just seems a tad unsafe to me and most of all it looks gay. So use the ones off the 88 but don't go higher.
Coyote_94YJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-17-2010, 09:53 AM   #27
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Alright thanks guys Say I put the lift shackles on the 4 inch rc lift the ones I have off the 88 witch are 1" lift (center bolt hole to center bolt hole= 6 1/2")

? Do I need to change any thing else around. I do have the t-case drop already on I'm wanting to get rid of the BL is my goal for now and still be able to go off road with out tearing my flares off or trimming them with just the 4" lift it would rub flares.

Thanks if I'm not clear on this ? let me no
__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-17-2010, 07:03 PM   #28
Jeeper
 
jpdocdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beach park, il
Posts: 8,162
Images: 7
what size tires, and you need sye.
__________________
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president."
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data...re_cowbell.gif
jpdocdave is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-17-2010, 09:40 PM   #29
Jeeper
 
89PBR96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Il
Posts: 1,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
what size tires, and you need sye.
I want to stick with the 33's with the shackle I need a slip yoke?

__________________
2003 Excursion 4x4 Short Bus
1984 Dodge 250 4x4 4 Inch lift 36's
1994 STX Ranger 4x4 6 Inch lift 33's or 35's
1998 TJ 3.5 Inch lift 33's or 35's
89PBR96 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rough country lift kit 4" for $299 windsoreight YJ Tech Forum 8 12-08-2009 08:53 AM
4" rough country lift NBRubi03 TJ General Discussion Forum 7 03-26-2008 05:46 PM
4" lift springs jeeperman Classifieds Archive 0 11-18-2006 02:32 PM
4" lift springs mrbigjeep TJ Tech Forum 6 05-14-2006 09:12 AM
Rubicon Springs (TJ) (Factory Lift???) PaulW TJ Tech Forum 8 09-13-2005 04:03 AM



Download our Mobile App

» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:33 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC