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Old 07-10-2012, 12:24 PM   #1
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Locker Recommendations for a Ford 8.8

While I've got the 8.8 apart to do gears and the new chromoly shafts, looking at doing a locker as well. I don't want a full time locker (i.e. welded spider gears) and I don't want anything overly complicated. Just want something that is solid offroad, relatively easy to install and doesn't require OBA to make work (as the Arb Air lockers are rad but I'm not there yet).

Any recommendations to go with the 8.8?

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Ox locker perhaps.

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Ox or Eaton E-locker will be your only choice for a selectable locker that is not ARB.
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I hadn't considered the OX, but looking at the cable system and shifter that may very well work.

I had a full time Detroit locker in my last Jeep and it was great for what it was but I hated how it turned on dry pavement and in snow. Will look at the OX and Eaton.
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Denis, I am in the process of building an 8.8 for my 87. eastcoastgearsupply.com is a good place to look up lockers. Powertrax makes a locker that they sell for $295. and the LockRite locker is $303.

I havent decided which way i want to go with mine either, was leaning toward an ARB locker, but the price difference not to mention the extra time for the install has me at a standstill

If you find any other good ones let me know.
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I was steering clear of the Lockrite and Powertrax lockers because I'd read on other forums (mostly full size ford forums) that both economy lockers were noisy and had high fail rates. I guess that would make sense given that they are less than half the price of the next step up.

Has anyone else run these lockers? Any feedback good or bad?
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I had a full time Detroit locker in my last Jeep and it was great for what it was but I hated how it turned on dry pavement and in snow. Will look at the OX and Eaton.

Yeah its a pain with the way it pushes a short wheel based vehicle like a wrangler...My question is....I can understand the dry pavement thing, but how much snow do you get in clearwater fla?... ..lol
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but how much snow do you get in clearwater fla?... ..lol
HAH! Forgot to mention that I used to live in the Hoth-like Detroit. I may end up going back there in the next year or two.
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I had an OX in a XJ and although it performed like it should when engaged, the problem i always had was getting it to engage and worse trying to get it out when i got back to pavement. the cable control is worse than the cable that runs to my dana30 for the posi-lok...not a sturdy built item as well as the fact of the thin cable flexes more than moving the rod in the rear end.
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oh ya! Detroit gets snow!...lol...just bustin on ya.
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the reason that the lockrite and powertrax have a high fail rate in the full-sized fords (i have one) is the horsepower that is applied to them. The 4.2L that i have has about 1/3 the horsepower that my F-150 has. Just sayin...
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Is all good I always forget that people don't know I once lived in the arctic north.
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the reason that the lockrite and powertrax have a high fail rate in the full-sized fords (i have one) is the horsepower that is applied to them. The 4.2L that i have has about 1/3 the horsepower that my F-150 has. Just sayin...
That's actually something I'm concerned about considering my move to a SBC over this coming winter. I only want to do this axle upgrade once if I can help it and I'm going to be putting down probably 300HP and 300ft/lbs so need something that will hold up to that.
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i had a detroit in my cj 5 with a SBC. lets just say i tried to kill it and it wouldnt die. i shattered a ring gear and it put a neat little gouge in the detroit case but it is still running today.
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i had a detroit in my cj 5 with a SBC. lets just say i tried to kill it and it wouldnt die. i shattered a ring gear and it put a neat little gouge in the detroit case but it is still running today.
Any issues with it on road? I don't think I'm going to lock my front axle, just my rear so it may not be as bad as my old Jeep's setup with Detroit at both axles.
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it was 76 cj5 with 35 in tires and full hydro stearing. it had road worthy issues non related to the lockers.

the locker in the rear chirpped like crazy. but i had a ox in the front. only used it a couple times.
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i run a detroit in my 8.8. does fine, on and off road. I would only go with a full case locker, as the carrier in the 8.8 is a weak link. don't forget to weld the tube at the center section.
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i run a detroit in my 8.8. does fine, on and off road. I would only go with a full case locker, as the carrier in the 8.8 is a weak link. don't forget to weld the tube at the center section.
Does this weak link go away with the c-clip eliminator, chromoly shafts and other upgrades from the Ultimate 88 kit? I just got one to install with the new gears so hoping that removes any weaknesses.

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Is all good I always forget that people don't know I once lived in the arctic north.
Hey I was told that every body that lives in Fl. came from the North! LOL
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Have you considered an Aussie Locker?
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Does this weak link go away with the c-clip eliminator, chromoly shafts and other upgrades from the Ultimate 88 kit? I just got one to install with the new gears so hoping that removes any weaknesses.

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Not unless that kit also replaces the stock carrier. Thus get a full case locker, ARB, detroit and your good. its not the drop in locker that's the issue persay, its the case it sits in is prone to issues from the stress placed on it.
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4JeepN - After driving a friend's XJ yesterday with a Detroit Locker in his 8.8, I'm back to looking at the Detroit. I think something was wrong/different in my old CJ with a locker because that one seemed always locked in which made it hard to turn. The XJ was effortless and I could feel/hear it click on and off when I let on and off the gas. Thus, thinking I'll go with that.

That said, I was considering doing both the Dana30 and the 8.8 with the same style lockers. From what I could determine, this looks like the right parts:

Dana 30 Detroit Locker: DET162S-60B
DETROIT LOCKER DANA 30 3.73 & UP 27 SPLINE DET162S-60B

Ford 8.8 Detroit Locker: DET187C145A
Baseline 4x4 Outfitters - DET187C145A - Detroit Locker Locking Differential Ford 8.8 Axle with 31 Spline Axles

Are these both "full case lockers"? I'm not really sure what I'm looking for...
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Just called the XJ guy.. no wonder I liked driving his better. The locker was only in the rear. He doesn't have one up front at all, just the stock XJ axle. Thus, I'm back to buying just the locker for the back if the one listed above is a full case locker.
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unless your driving around in 4wd the front end will not be locked.....the lockers are ONLY locked when power is being applied to them. also if you were in a CJ you should have been able to unlocked the axle completely and not have any drive at all.

My last YJ had a aussie front and rear and you could only tell a difference by the clicking when making a corner aggressively or the butt shimmy if you got on the gas hard coming through a corner... other then that the rig was amazing...never had to worry about a compressor or a solenoid going out on me lol. I beat the crap out of those aussies and never had a problem... that was with 33's 4.56's, d30 and d44.
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unless your driving around in 4wd the front end will not be locked.....the lockers are ONLY locked when power is being applied to them. also if you were in a CJ you should have been able to unlocked the axle completely and not have any drive at all.
So.. I should expect that the front axle will just roll in 2WD and the locker won't put any force on either front wheel as it's not being driven by the front driveshaft... but the back will stay locked as long as I'm on the gas and then let go as soon as I let off the gas?
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its not really like that. in order for a vehicle to go around a corner one tire has to turn faster than the other. in an open diff the inside tire spins slower. in a detroit system the tires have to spin at the same speed or faster. so around a corner the outside tire is forced to spin faster than the inside tire. when going straight the tires have to spin the same rate. if you put the detroit in the rear rejoice in the traction. if you put it in the front youll never notice it in 2wd. 4 high your turning radius will be greatly increase. i personally prefer a selectable locker up front.
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That makes sense. I still think I'm only going to lock the back.
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ARB is the best hands down, I just sold mine for the 8.8 for $600!!

Other than an ARB id go with a Detroit auto, and nothing else.
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That makes sense. I still think I'm only going to lock the back.
A front aussie locker is a great cheap upgrade.
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lock the rear first and see if you need the front. honestly i had the ox in my cj and used it 2-3 times maybe.

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