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Old 05-21-2013, 04:51 PM   #1
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Loss of 5th gear? Should i buy?

Hey everyone,

Trying to buy my first jeep here. Found the perfect 95 yj with the correct wheels and top , 157000 miles, but the one issue is that it seems to have the common loss of fifth gear. It is set at 3500 and I may be able to talk them down a couple hundred but is that a reasonable price. The jeep looks pretty solid. haven't got to look first hand at the frame. and as far as repair for the fifth gear goes. How much am I looking at if I do it myself. And ive seen the aluminum sleeve that is suppose to keep the gear from slipping off. anyone tried that one?

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Old 05-21-2013, 05:00 PM   #2
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im not a mechanic or know anything to even say im good with jeeps or cars. But if you can talk him down to 3000 and get a look at the frame and engine so make sure there is no rust and i think its a good deal. I think re-gearing would cost a few hundred, i gada look into it cuz i gada change my gears for more power.

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Old 05-21-2013, 05:27 PM   #3
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Depending on what else is about to go in the tranny I would say 2500 at best. You can get a rebuilt tranny for $5-700, or rebuild it yourself for around $200.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:54 PM   #4
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I don't think the trannys bad my guess is the person has 33" tires with the 2.5l they just kill fifth regearing will fix that go 4.88's and fifth will come back if you can pay3000 it will be about 1250 to have the axles regeared so you would be in 4250 that's not to bad if you like the jeep
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:23 PM   #5
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If its the notorious 5th gear snap ring , it can be fixed pretty easily by just removing the rear of the trans. They sell a collar that replaces the "c" ring. There is a how too here on the forum. Where is the jeep? Did it come from the rust belt? What engine? With a bad tranny they should come down....
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:17 AM   #6
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Straight 4, from Birmingham Alabama, ha I have never heard of the rust belt. Is that the Pine belt?
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:41 AM   #7
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I have already gone through this myself, and will take the time to explain this for you. First off the guy I bought mine from was asking $3000, I paid $2150 and it had 97k miles on it. That was also a 95' with no 5th gear. 31" tires and a 3" body lift. Other than that in near perfect condition.

The problem is that any tires 31" or bigger will kill 5th gear. The snap ring breaks and it essentially turns into neutral. The aluminum collar you see on EBay was the first thing I did. I got that and a rebuild kit and rebuilt it with that. It lasted for a little while (a couple hundred miles) then crapped out again. After that I got an AX15 and swapped that in. Below is what that cost me, + a couple of days worth of time. In the end it was worth it, but more than I expected to have to deal with. Now I have a transmission that a 2.5 cant kill though.

AX15-$200
NP231 (that fits AX15)- $200
Dodge Dakota Bellhouse-$75
Longer front driveshaft, and shorter rear driveshaft-$240 (combine)
Clutch kit for 84 Camaro with 4cyl-$120

That was about it. I think with fluid and some small things I ran into it cost me about $1000 even. I WOULD do it again though. I was also patient for my AX15 and looked for a couple of months on CL before driving 1 1/2 hours to get that deal on one.

The collar fix is a bandaid. Bottom line is that 5th sits on the other side of the intermediate plate from all the other gears. It pushes pretty damn hard on that snap ring which is why it breaks. That collar only holds it in place so long.
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You are a GOD! How many soccer balls can you fit in the back with that family roll bar? JK - you are very knoweledgable about jeeps and have done mostly everything. GOOD ADVICE OverKill

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I have already gone through this myself, and will take the time to explain this for you. First off the guy I bought mine from was asking $3000, I paid $2150 and it had 97k miles on it. That was also a 95' with no 5th gear. 31" tires and a 3" body lift. Other than that in near perfect condition.

The problem is that any tires 31" or bigger will kill 5th gear. The snap ring breaks and it essentially turns into neutral. The aluminum collar you see on EBay was the first thing I did. I got that and a rebuild kit and rebuilt it with that. It lasted for a little while (a couple hundred miles) then crapped out again. After that I got an AX15 and swapped that in. Below is what that cost me, + a couple of days worth of time. In the end it was worth it, but more than I expected to have to deal with. Now I have a transmission that a 2.5 cant kill though.

AX15-$200
NP231 (that fits AX15)- $200
Dodge Dakota Bellhouse-$75
Longer front driveshaft, and shorter rear driveshaft-$240 (combine)
Clutch kit for 84 Camaro with 4cyl-$120

That was about it. I think with fluid and some small things I ran into it cost me about $1000 even. I WOULD do it again though. I was also patient for my AX15 and looked for a couple of months on CL before driving 1 1/2 hours to get that deal on one.

The collar fix is a bandaid. Bottom line is that 5th sits on the other side of the intermediate plate from all the other gears. It pushes pretty damn hard on that snap ring which is why it breaks. That collar only holds it in place so long.
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