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Old 11-20-2012, 07:56 AM   #31
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Ditchdoc - The 8.8 has several advantages to me:

- Relatively cheap. Mine was around $100 from a junkyard.
- Geared similar to Jeeps. If you need 3.73 or 4.10 gears, you can get them in a stock Explorer 8.8.
- Many of them has Limited Slip built it
- They are similar in width to the D35.
- With the C Clip Eliminator/Chromoly upgrade, they're very stout.
- There's lots of support for them in the Jeep community, especially when it comes to the 1310 Spicer conversion (or pull one off an astro)
- Disc Brakes upgrade in the rear (96+ Explorers)
- Same bolt pattern as the D35 (5 on 4.5)
- Good for up to V8 power (as the Explorers often came with 5.0L V8s)

No real downsides for a medium duty axle that I can think of.

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Ok,so if a 35 is supered its pretty much the same thing?

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Ok,so if a 35 is supered its pretty much the same thing?
No. Tube diameter and thickness are stronger on 8.8 as well. And i blew up a 35 with a 2.5 and 31's.
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Ok,so if a 35 is supered its pretty much the same thing?
Definitely not. As Overkill said, tube size is different, as is spline count. Pumpkin size is quite a bit bigger, gears are bigger... everything about the 8.8 is bigger/better/stronger than it's D35 counterpart.

I've yet to see any D35, even the built ones, hold up to even a stock 8.8. If you do the upgrades to the 8.8, you can be approaching 9" or D60 strength. It'll never be as good as a D60.. but it's closer to that than the D35 if you had the chromoloy/c-clip elim/etc. upgrades.

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Definitely not. As Overkill said, tube size is different, as is spline count. Pumpkin size is quite a bit bigger, gears are bigger... everything about the 8.8 is bigger/better/stronger than it's D35 counterpart.

I've yet to see any D35, even the built ones, hold up to even a stock 8.8. If you do the upgrades to the 8.8, you can be approaching 9" or D60 strength. It'll never be as good as a D60.. but it's closer to that than the D35 if you had the chromoloy/c-clip elim/etc. upgrades.

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Yeah i have had them open side by side and there is no comparison. The 8.8 looks like a giant.
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Yeah i have had them open side by side and there is no comparison. The 8.8 looks like a giant.
These two pictures say it all. Look at the physical size difference and the gear/carrier difference:



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Yeah i have had them open side by side and there is no comparison. The 8.8 looks like a giant.
Ok so all the internals are bigger. Got it. Now as far as the c clip eliminator goes. How does it change the retention process?
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Ok so all the internals are bigger. Got it. Now as far as the c clip eliminator goes. How does it change the retention process?
This is where I'm a bit fuzzy. I had my gear guy do the elim kit while he was installing the locker and regearing.

I got this off another forum that explains the differences:

first, where are the C clips located in the rear end?
The are in the diff where the axles go through the side gears

how do C clip eliminators work?
The axle is pressed into the eliminator, like a ford 9" set up if you're familiar.

Which one is not allowed in NHRA events?
No idea

what will be best for a car that will mostly be on the street, and rarely see the track?
The stock c-clip set up.

do I have to buy specific axles for C clips vs c clip eliminators
Nope, same axles will work w/ either

will either work with a rear disc brake setup?
I have heard that the eliminators will not work w/ rear disk.

I heard one type can cause the axle to walk out of the housing? is this true?
It can happen, anything is possible

do I have to modify the axle housing with C clip eliminators?
Yes and if you don't do it right they will leak and you could ruin the housing.


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Ok so all the internals are bigger. Got it. Now as far as the c clip eliminator goes. How does it change the retention process?
I apologize again for my ignorance. Now that I own a jeep I am learning about its inherit weaknesses and it does seem to be the axles. I am planning to build up my jeep. The end game is 33" tires lift just enough not to rub, double transfercase and move front and rear axles as far apart as needed, lockers front and back don't know if elec or air. I lean more towards elec. and of course the regular stuff bumpers guards and rails. I am running the 2.5 I have a turbo off a 3.0. I don't have it installed yet and have no idea how it will perform. Doing a build from the ground up I have to start with the axle. Thanks for you input.
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Ditchdoc - No worries! We all start somewhere. Let us know if we can be of any more help.

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Ditchdoc - No worries! We all start somewhere. Let us know if we can be of any more help.

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Does these axle upgrades keep it with 68 inch USDF trail rating?
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Looks great! I am gonna be doin my 8.8 soon. A bit on the cheaper side than you but it'll be there.

I am welding mine locked and no c lip elim. Mine already has the right gear ratio so...

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Does these axle upgrades keep it with 68 inch USDF trail rating?
It doesn't look that much wider so it should be good.
Then there is always fixing it with your rims offset.
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Does these axle upgrades keep it with 68 inch USDF trail rating?
I believe the difference in width is less than 1" with the c-clip elim, so yeah.. should be good.

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Well everything has a breaking point. But the question still remains why an 8.8. What makes that axle better? Diameter, pinion, shaft, or the way it is built are the shafts held in by clips or bolted?
The 8.8 is a lot stronger than the D35 and stronger than some D44's , very close to the same width, and has the same lug pattern.
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I ended up getting 4 more cans of Duplicolor DE1641 to paint the axles and spring plates in their awesome ceramic bright green. This stuff coats so much better than other paints I've tried. Nice thin coats and the ceramic really coats evenly and dries hard. No more scraping off like inferior paints have.

While it sucks I have to work tomorrow, I'm getting off somewhat early and I'll try to get the axles bolted up tomorrow.
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I am new to jeeps as well. So can you not just take a standard 8.8 and install without any mods? And if so, what type of performance could you expect? Would be running 33's with I6 4.0
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I am new to jeeps as well. So can you not just take a standard 8.8 and install without any mods? And if so, what type of performance could you expect? Would be running 33's with I6 4.0
Sure can. You'd just need to do the following:

1. Make sure your gears in the 8.8 are the same as the front gears.
2. Make sure your perch position is correct for your pinion angle (either SOA or SUA)
3. Move your shock perches (possible, they might line up with SUA, but definitely not with SOA)
4. Get the converter/adapter for the yoke off the pinion to one that works with the Jeep.

In theory, you *could* do an 8.8 install for less than $250... and you'd have an upgrade. I just only wanted to do this once so I went all the way with it.

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Excellent. Thanks for the info.
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sure can. You'd just need to do the following:

1. Make sure your gears in the 8.8 are the same as the front gears.
2. Make sure your perch position is correct for your pinion angle (either soa or sua)
3. Move your shock perches (possible, they might line up with sua, but definitely not with soa)
4. Get the converter/adapter for the yoke off the pinion to one that works with the jeep.

In theory, you *could* do an 8.8 install for less than $250... And you'd have an upgrade. I just only wanted to do this once so i went all the way with it.

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sua,soa?
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SUA = Spring Under Axle (the way YJs come from the factory)
SOA = Spring Over Axle (which is what I just converted to, gives you lots of clearance and flex)
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sua,soa?
Sua = spring under axle
Soa = spring over axle
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Got the rear axle bolted in. Will post pictures later today.

The front axle, though, is a chore. I didn't cut off the old mounts because I didn't think I would need to. Now I'm seeing the error in my ways, as the u-bolts have no where to go with the old shock and spring mounts still attached. Going to cut them off when I get home from a nice 14 hour day today at work. From there, front axle should go on.

Now, onto steering, that transfer case, fitting tires... it never ends.

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More photos with the front and rear now bolted in.

The rear:



Height to the hub at 18", so this is what it will look like with the 36 inch tires on it.





Love how bright the mounts and axles came out with that ceramic coat paint:



The front went in, but I had to grind off the old mounts as they were in the way.




You can see by the "Fun Pile" that this was hell. Took me all day with 2 grinders, a dozen cut off wheels, 2 grinder wheels, a port-a-band and a BFH. What a pain in the butt.

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I have been following you since the start, what a great looking set up. I personnally like the green, and those new discs, I'm drooling. Great work!!
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I have been following you since the start, what a great looking set up. I personnally like the green, and those new discs, I'm drooling. Great work!!
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Good job.
Thanks guys! I'll keep updating the thread as I get further.

The way I look at it, I still have to...

1. Remove/Rebuild the Transfer Case to do the wide chain conversion and JB Super Short SYE.
2. Reinstall T-Case and Measure for Tom Wood's driveshaft.
3. Hook back up the front driveshaft.
4. Hook up all brake lines.
5. Buy and Install OTT Steering.
6. Buy and Install Rear Driveshaft.
7. Buy my new wheels and at least 2 more tires and install.
8. Profit????


I'm actually thankful the weather is so cold right now.. so I don't have the itch to drive the Jeep. This buys me at least a month because I really feel the "gotta get this done" sting of the project coming on

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Excellant write up Dennis. I just finished my 8.8 install...but not like yours. I will enjoy following this thread.
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Thanks guys! I'll keep updating the thread as I get further.

The way I look at it, I still have to...

1. Remove/Rebuild the Transfer Case to do the wide chain conversion and JB Super Short SYE.
2. Reinstall T-Case and Measure for Tom Wood's driveshaft.
3. Hook back up the front driveshaft.
4. Hook up all brake lines.
5. Buy and Install OTT Steering.
6. Buy and Install Rear Driveshaft.
7. Buy my new wheels and at least 2 more tires and install.
8. Profit????


I'm actually thankful the weather is so cold right now.. so I don't have the itch to drive the Jeep. This buys me at least a month because I really feel the "gotta get this done" sting of the project coming on

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What is the wide chain conversion? I expect to damage my chain at some point in the near future s I might as well ask now.
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What was the difference in width of the spring perches?? Are they pretty close or way out of place??

I realize I would have to redo the perches but I was just wondering, something to think about I guess

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