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Old 10-03-2007, 07:42 PM   #1
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Need some measurements... anyone have time ?

My 94 yj has a 2.5. After an exhausting search for a transmission I came upon a complete drive train from a 92 with the straight six and five speed. The plan is to remove the body and use the transmission mount ( I have the one from the 4.0 chassis which is identical to mine ) as a reference, fit the drive shafts, and center the engine in the frame. The 4.0 engine mounts are no longer available from jeep.
If someone with a yj with a 4.0 would take a couple measurements ( height and distance from a known frame location ( hole or front end of frame ) I would very much appreciate it. If I can get this location I can fabricate mounts out of 1/8 inch steel using the rubber attaching mount bolted to the top of the frame mount I have. Thanks in advance. jr
* You may also send them to me at jar2070@yahoo.com

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Old 10-05-2007, 06:35 PM   #2
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Don't everyone respond at once. I have it figured out by keying off the radiator and transmission mount. So far... so simple.

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Old 10-05-2007, 10:36 PM   #3
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I don't have one to measure for you, but I am curious. Are the frames different in the mm area or do they just take a different bolt on mm?
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:40 PM   #4
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All the frames for this series should measure out the same. The length of the motor / transmission / transfer case is different in each application. The engine mounts welded to the frame will have to be removed. One parts man stated his book showed the same mounts for both engines. If this is correct I will relocate them in a more forward position. If not I will fabricate mounts while the drive train is mocked in place.
I have read alot about the " soft " spots ( rust ) in certain locations one being by the spring shackle mounts. I am removing the body and sand blasting the frame recoating with an epoxy primer. This step should ensure it will out last my ownership and beyond. It currently has loose scale which I'm sure isn't to the point of loss in strength.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:58 PM   #5
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I thought that the 2.5L used the AX-5 trans and the 4.0L used the AX-15?
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Old 10-06-2007, 07:49 PM   #6
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You are absolutely correct. I couldn't find an AX 5 for under 600 dollars. That is why I'm going the 4.0 route with the AX 15 and matching transfer case as one unit. The complete 4.0 unit was less than half the cost and will provide more horsepower.
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Old 10-09-2007, 03:33 PM   #7
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How much did you get your AX-15 and transfer case for?
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:30 PM   #8
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It was $375 for the engine, trans, and t/c. He also threw in the radiator, drive shafts, fuel tank, tire carrier ect. I also got a like new hardtop and both axles with springs for a couple hundred more. He was building a chevrolet V-8 mud machine. I may also get the hard doors.... he hasn't made up his mind if he wants to keep them.
The doner Wrangler has 90k on it but was towed most of its life behind a motorhome. I would say less than 50k driving miles.

Now I just have to put the puzzle together. Should have less than two grand in the project when completed.
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:41 PM   #9
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Howdy Jarhead!!!,

I just parked my 94 4.0 next to my buddy's rig with the 2.5 and opened hoods... We didn't measure shit, but it looks like the mounts are in the same position on both vehicles. Are you sure you have to modify to make the swap? Maybe I should break out the tapes and quit guestimating. They sure look the same from the top down though.

Semper Fi...and good luck, I'm intrested in doing a similar swap in my other Heap...an '87 Comanche Chief.
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:27 AM   #10
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I haven't set the motor / trans into the bare frame as of yet. Maybe a good idea to do this before I take the cutter to the existing mounts. It can't be that easy though. Who would be that fortunate? If you could snap a picture of two that would also be very helpful.

I did find pinholes in the right rear spring shackle area. Will have to reinforce this with new metal. Thanks Gunny, Semper Fi
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Old 10-13-2007, 05:44 PM   #11
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Gunny 23;
Time for new bifocals. Test fit the engine / trans today. Old mounts are approximately 6 inches off. Time to start hacking and welding. If I used the old mounts I would get a better weight transfer. Could also set the coffee cup on the valve cover.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:25 PM   #12
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Six inches?

I thought, after all these years, that I would have that particular unit of measure committed to memory...

Yeah...I did get to measure the engine mounts this morning, before we hit the trails. And, yeah, it's a LITTLE off.

Sorry for adding to the confusion...

There are companies that sell new mounts, either weld in or bolt in, on the market. I'm wondering if you could cut your existing frame mounts carefully and reuse them. Got access to a plasma cutter? Maybe a 4 inch cutting disc could do the trick?.

The mounts in my 2.5 Commanche MJ are set back 6 inches as well. Which, after I thought more about it, is about half the distance of the overall extra block length for the two additional 4.0L cylinders. The mounts look identical...just placed at a different location on the frame.

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Old 10-16-2007, 08:22 PM   #13
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Tomorrows project is cutting the mounts off close to the frame and grinding the area flat. I have some mounts made of flat stock and left over square tube. I reinforced the rear shackle spring mounts ( inside and outside ) today along with some 1/8" flat stock over the body mounts. If it would stop raining for ten minutes I could get the frame rails blasted and primed. Going to order a 1" body lift ( prothane ) along with new spring stops. This is going to be my wifes ATV. I don't think she wants five steps to get in and out.

The Miller wire feed makes this a fun project. Having free spare metal pieces is also a bonus !
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:49 AM   #14
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Sounds like you've got the basis for a STRONG rig going...and if it's for your wife, I guess it can't be TOO strong.

I sure as hell understand the altitude issue as well. My wife can climb in pretty well...getting out is more of a controlled crash. It can be pretty humerous though...but I dare not laugh out loud.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:12 PM   #15
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As long as it kept on raining I built a sandblaster out of a twelve gallon stainless tank. Today the sun came out and the blaster worked great. Was able to prime the bare metal and let it dry in the west wind ( which I am sure is looking for more rain ! ). Tomorrow blast the axles and pour the satin black paint on the frame. ( more rain in the forcast *^#@*^$ ) I won't know how to act if I get the body and frame mated before 20 below sets in.

My friend just bought an 86 Cherokee back from the south. Absolutely not a hint of rust ! 300k on the clock. Why do I keep buying Wis. vehicles ???????

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