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Old 08-02-2013, 07:33 AM   #31
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just watched a couple videos on this looks like the jk's are way easier to lift. too bad I don't like the jk bodys
Ha ha ha ha

How about no? Don't believe everything you see on you tube. That was a good one though. I will have a laugh about that one for a while.

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Old 08-02-2013, 12:21 PM   #32
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JKs have control arms, track bar relocation, and all that crap that just costs more and more money..

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Old 08-02-2013, 02:25 PM   #33
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What if you used an international truck and put tractor tires on it and put the body on that? There's your width length and height issues and if its anything like nj if the gross vehicle weight is over 10,000 lbs and diesel, no inspection!
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Old 08-02-2013, 04:36 PM   #34
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Yea, but you can either keep the geometry relatively stock, and bolt armor to it, or you can jack it up and stick blocks under it with sketchy ass geometry and brake shit elsewhere. Its not really practical for crawling. And with armor on it, it looks badass in my opinion. COG is way to high, you will roll it and screw the tub up anyways. Why compete in a pissing contest at work when you can get a better functioning jeep out of a more practical lift and show him up offroad rather than being a pavement princess?
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Old 08-02-2013, 04:41 PM   #35
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Wanna play lead and follow? Lol

Why is everyone so into building cookie cutter credit card jeeps? Make it your own man, don't let anyone tell you what's good for you.
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Old 08-02-2013, 09:23 PM   #36
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Wanna play lead and follow? Lol

Why is everyone so into building cookie cutter credit card jeeps? Make it your own man, don't let anyone tell you what's good for you.
damn right
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Wanna play lead and follow? Lol

Why is everyone so into building cookie cutter credit card jeeps? Make it your own man, don't let anyone tell you what's good for you.
No he HAS to make it how we say he should.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:03 PM   #38
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In that case. I say pink!
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:53 PM   #39
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I guess I'll buy some 8 inch black wheels mounted on 33 mtrs, plastic dip everything I can, bolt on a bunch of mass produced armor, and line up for my turn on the rock in the parking lot for my photo op rofl.

Making a jeep your own is the beauty of owning a jeep. It's your canvas, get outside the box and make your dream a reality . I feed on people telling me such and such cant be done for this reason or that. Some of us aren't happy with the status quo.
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I totally agree with what you say about making it your own, building it your way. But there are times when its just not safe, and I'd say this might be one of them. 12" of lift is totally unnecessary and potentially dangerous, especially with stock width axles and 31s. I also don't think he realizes how high the jeep will be. The lift is 12" and the tires lift it ~1.5"-2". That'd put the bottom of the rockers at around 32 inches, or the door at like 38-40".

Then he might realize that those 31s don't look good at all on there, so he puts bigger tires on. With the size of tires he could fit, the door could be 48" of the ground when he's done.

I'd say just do full-widths right away, since the stock axles aren't going to hold up when you put bigger tires on there anyway. And you'll want bigger tires after seeing 31s with a foot of lift.
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That's why I said full width way up in thx post. My current jeeps door is 38 1/4 off the ground and it drives like a caddy at 70-80 down the highway, and it's way short from what I usually build.
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I know you said to go full width and I agree with everything you say. But the OP doesn't seem to want full widths for some reason even though he's going to need them for stability and the bigger tires he can fit.
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When did i say that you couldnt make it your own? I simply suggested something. I never once told anybody they HAD to listen to me.
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When you pointed fingers at "sketchy geometry" and "not suitable for crawling"

There's lots of rigs that will make a monkey out of a textbook forum jeep
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:08 PM   #45
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Never pointed any fingers bud. Simply pointing out facts. I wheeled with a guy with a jeep just like yours for 2 years. I've never seen that jeep complete a trail. Ever. We ran trails once a month and sometimes twice a month. He's rolled it more times than i can count, broke some ribs and an arm. It's not safe. It may look cool in some peoples opinion but would rather look cool or be more safe? Thats the number one thing when it comes to wheeling. Safety.
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the dude said he wanted it for mud....ground clearance and horse power is what it takes for mud..anyway,if he wants it tall then that's his business
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I'm sure it's "just like" mine. Ill bring ole black out anytime you feel froggy

The biggest thing with any rig is who builds it.
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Don't forget that stability comes with horsepower. If you goose it into a mud hole and it gets squirrely its gunna get ugly real quick... and deal. Bring her down to Texas, when the trails get into the ridges, a jeep thats 38 inches from floor to door on stock width axles and sitting on 31s aint gunna cut it buddy. Ill guarantee that one. Ill put my next pay check on it actually.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:19 PM   #49
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Stock axles? Who runs those? You need to do some more research before you call someone out.

I told the op way back in this thread that full widths are what he needs to go that tall.
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Thats what his plans were. Can't argue with a wall. Have a nice night.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:55 PM   #51
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Ive thought this over and its true the guy can build it any damn way he wants. Who am i to say otherwise. But I feel its only right to point something out. The op stated he was tired of " framing out". I have to ask how are you onto the frame without the axels being buried in the nud
The only way to get the axel higher is tires. Now if the goal is a.look build it.to the sky. If it.falls over oh well its your jeep. But if your goal is to perform in the mud id think you need to rethink.your build not because someone on here said so but becuase id hate for a guy to invest a ton of cash and end up with failure. Thats how people end up leaving a hobby.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:03 AM   #52
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He might be talking about climbing obstacles to get into trails though. I have had guys try to follow me where I have to use my HiLift jack to get them off because they were hung up. A lot of places by me anyway you need to go through some crap just to get in.
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did a little wheeling over the weekend and have been thinking... I really want the 12inch lift but with some of the trails I will have to bring a chainsaw to cut branches so I will fit. on the other hand the 6 inch lift just doesn't look big enough. I understand that I will need bigger tires and that bigger tires will help with clearance but idk.
1 I want to do this now while I have the money, may not get the chance again...
2 if I go with the 12 inch lift and decide that its too high I can always go back to sua.

as for the framing out thing my problem is that most pits around here you have a nice smooth entrance(kind of) into the pit but then in the center theres usually a wall of clay then it drops off even deeper and at the end theres another wall of clay (at least for the most part but not always). these are man made mudruns. as far as mud on trails u find more swamps than anything.
My problem with framing out comes at the man made ones... I usually make it over the first wall but at the end I get my front tires out and then my skidplate hits and im hung up. I have made it with enough umph where I slam my frame and still have enough speed to skid past that point but anyone who lives where it snows knows frames are not to be beaten on all the time(salt). with 12inches the odds of me ever framing out are slim if not impossible( other things will happen first like the rollover, things breaking, or me saying "that looks like too stupid of an idea even for me", ect.).

tires and axles are a concern after the lift.. seeing what looks right, whats available, ect.

and if Im feelin lucky I can drive across a big ass mud hole/ pond without getting water up to my chest. unless I don't make it lol.

I appreciate everyones concern for safety but come on if I wanted safe I would keep it stock and avoid dirt roads. I don't care if you have a stock jeep or a jeep with 8 feet of clearance, anyone can get hurt at any time while on a trail its a risk we all take everytime.
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im just running the stock 4.0 so squirrelly probably wont happen although it is possible.

a jeep is never done and no matter what I do I will always make it bigger stronger and cooler.

for all you safety nuts though I am looking into a 5 point harness just incase.
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. I really want the 12inch lift but with some of the trails I will have to bring a chainsaw to cut branches so I will fit.

Really, you are going to take a chainsaw with you and deface the landscape so that you can fit your rig in there and ruin the scenery for others to enjoy? Please tell me you really do not mean what you just typed!
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. I really want the 12inch lift but with some of the trails I will have to bring a chainsaw to cut branches so I will fit.

Really, you are going to take a chainsaw with you and deface the landscape so that you can fit your rig in there and ruin the scenery for others to enjoy? Please tell me you really do not mean what you just typed!
x2 on that. The whole idea of trailing is to make it through the terrain without altering it. And if i were you, if i was gunna do the 12 inch, I'd prep the axles and get bigger tires BEFORE i lifted it that high...
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JKs have control arms, track bar relocation, and all that crap that just costs more and more money..
That is true except you can put 35s on with no lift and flat fenders

I ran 33s on my old YJ and was running the BDS 3 1/2" with a 1" BL so i would say the cost for putting say 35s is way less for a JK than a YJ and 33s will fit with no modifications at all on a JK.

Back to the OP though. All good advice on here and if you are trying to go that high there is a lot more to consider than beating out your buddy in a contest.
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:11 PM   #58
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Cept the cost of the jk lol

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