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Old 07-30-2009, 08:40 PM   #1
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SOA with 3 inch springs ???????

OK I searched SOA and nota comes up, My question is can I do a soa with 3 inch springs and keep the rear drive shaft angle in check and also on the front end will the steering work just by putting a droped pitman arm, I am not worried about bump steer and binding at this time, Can I do the sring over and move the jeep around the yard afterwards or is there something special I need for the front. Also the rear will not have a SYE at this time but soon it will, any need for rear driveshaft modification? Thanks Chris

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didn't realize your more specific questions in the pm. you can't.....ok you absolutely shouldn't do it without sye, i know guys that have gotten longer driveshafts, but its a really bad idea. the steering linkages usually need to be modified, the drag link will hit the right front spring, but for some odd reason its different with every jeep. it is not a quick easy lift that some make it sound to be.

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just dont do it, its stupidly high. you will have to redo everything on the jeep. just do a soa with stock springs. thats as high as you need it for just about everything. steering would be so screwed up. leaf mounts would see twice the stress. bumpy as hell. not to mention way way to high a center of gravity, if its for mudding then go for it with a sye and a new drive shaft and a full width swap. if its not for mudding, just dont do it. how much are you looking to spend?
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:26 PM   #4
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So if I just put the springs under the axel I wont need a sye?
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you mean over, and yes you need sye. and not a good idea to put 15 yr old plus springs over the axle.
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anything over 3" sua you need a sye. even at 3" its pushing it. you may get vibrations. not to mention if you flex the rear out you will slip that yoke right out. and that sucks! just do a small 2-3" sua. start from there. i drove my around with the 4" sua for a while and started getting my parts together for my soa. its much easyer. but be carefull!!! you do know what jeep stands for right? "just empty every pocket". i am doing soa full width conversion now. need less to say it just started out as finding out what rear brakes i had. sigh. now i am in to it. over 2500 spent so far. almost there though.
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I got the money to spend on it but thats not the issue, The jeep is sitting with stock springs and 33 1250 BFGs on 15 x 10s and the tires are touching the flares, All I can do is move it in and out the shop. I want to set it up high enough to get 35s on it if I decide to. I have the lift for it I have a body lift for it and I have some shackels for it, but if I can do a soa I wont have to put the body lift or shackels on it. I have a shop and lots of slackers to do the labor so I dont care what it costs I just want to know if I can flip the spring pearches and have it all fit, I dont care if its gona viberate, I dont care if the drive shaft MIGHT fall out, I dont care if I cant turn it all the way to the right. I will address the steering issues afterwards .This is not a daily driver I just want it to clear the tires and steer left and right a little.

Sorry about the tone none intended, I am not redoing the whole thing.
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ok. just do a soa on stock springs i can clear 37"s if i wanted to.
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ok. just do a soa on stock springs i can clear 37"s if i wanted to.

You did a soa and left the stock springs on it and it clears 37s?
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^no way. 35's and stock springs are doable though. look at my black yj toward the end of the yj picture thread, 2" springs soa and 33's. looks real nice.

i went and got the pic

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no i could see fitting 37's and then not being able to drive it that would be way to far into the wheel well and not only that u would be snapping axles Dana 33 only rated for 35's and i saw someone the other weekend break a shaft with 35's on still so if ur going that big get the bigger axels
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Ok I just went ahead and putem spring under, They must have bben 4 inch springs cause I got 4 1/4 inches total at all 4 corners. It looks ok to me , Maybe I will put the shackels on for another inch or two. The parts jeep I took these parts off of did not have a rear track bar relocation bracket, can I get one of them by its self without having to by a complete lift kit? Oh heres a pic, I forgot to take befores.
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One more question guys, The rear end on the red jeep is making some noise, ring and pinion I think, It will change pitch as I gas on and off , how many diffrent ratios were offered stock? Is there a tag and some # I can check to see if maybe the rear ends are geared the same?
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The parts jeep I took these parts off of did not have a rear track bar relocation bracket, can I get one of them by its self without having to by a complete lift kit?
No need for a rear Trac bar. Leave it off.

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how many diffrent ratios were offered stock? Is there a tag and some # I can check to see if maybe the rear ends are geared the same?
There were several different ratio's available. Most common for your YJ is 3.07's, 3.55, 3.73, and for the 4banger..4.10's.

Yes there are ID tags from the factory. If they are still there ...look at about the 9 o'clock posistion on the rear diff cover for the ID tag. It will be held on by the diff cover bolt. Stamped on it will be many numbers.

I'll get a pic in a minute.
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yep, ditch the trac bar, and the noise is most likely pinion bearings, no need to change the ring and pinion unless its bad. unless you just want an excuse to regear now. and the stock axles are rated for up to a 32" tire, not 35".
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yep, ditch the trac bar, and the noise is most likely pinion bearings, no need to change the ring and pinion unless its bad. unless you just want an excuse to regear now. and the stock axles are rated for up to a 32" tire, not 35".

You mean they are geared to handle up to 32s? Those are 33s and it seems to pull ok, with plenty of power from a standing start.
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You mean they are geared to handle up to 32s? Those are 33s and it seems to pull ok, with plenty of power from a standing start.
no sorry i wasn't clear. someone earlier said the axle can handle 35" tires i think. i was saying the axle is rated to handle up to a 32" tire. don't worry though, many people run 33's on those axles. but you do have a chance of breaking if you are aggressive on the skinny pedal

its always a good idea to regear the axles for the larger tires, but if you are fine with how its driving you can leave it, unless the r and p is shot in one, then its a great excuse to regear, but it sounds like you just need to replace the bearings, much simpler job.

edit: oh yeah, its a good thing you didn't put those springs soa, looks good.
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You did a soa and left the stock springs on it and it clears 37s?
i appologise with the confusion folks. i also did the full width's. long day yesterday. really really really long. i work at walmart, nuf said.
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my bad i guess i was miss informed some one on here told me a while ago that they were rated to handle 35's to big for my taste so i ever looked t much farther then that but yeah that looks good no reason to go soa with that set up
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my bad i guess i was miss informed some one on here told me a while ago that they were rated to handle 35's to big for my taste so i ever looked t much farther then that but yeah that looks good no reason to go soa with that set up
at least till he wants flex.
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Ok I just went ahead and putem spring under, They must have bben 4 inch springs cause I got 4 1/4 inches total at all 4 corners. It looks ok to me , Maybe I will put the shackels on for another inch or two. The parts jeep I took these parts off of did not have a rear track bar relocation bracket, can I get one of them by its self without having to by a complete lift kit? Oh heres a pic, I forgot to take befores.
you ahould consider a shackle reversal. it works really really well. i got over three more inches of droop, and about 4 more inches of up travel. rti i am getting about 550 fully connected.
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at least till he wants flex.
I live in Ga I dont need no stinkin flex I just need to go through the mud holes.
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last time i checked he will still have plenty flex although not that it sounds like he wants it witch is cool what ever fits ur driveing style did u get the sway bar disconnects or did u just say screw the sway bar
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I live in Ga I dont need no stinkin flex I just need to go through the mud holes.
put it spring over
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Jeep looks good with the 4" sua lift. Mine is 4" and SOA with sye and modified steering. It did have the dana 30 and 35 with 4.10's for a long time till the rear gave up the ghost and broke some teeth off the ring gear. Im converting to Dana 60's front and rear full width to give her some stability. Im like yjwes.. go spring over, its all trial and error.. Hell its a Jeep, have fun with it. =)
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last time i checked he will still have plenty flex although not that it sounds like he wants it witch is cool what ever fits ur driveing style did u get the sway bar disconnects or did u just say screw the sway bar

I got a set of disconects with the parts jeep and have not installed them yet.

Yardfab, what size tires are those???
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They are a 38x 12.50x 15
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just curious do u drive it daily or is it a toy for the weekend only
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Drove it daily for a long time till I bought a new truck. I drive 50 miles round trip to work. Part of it is freeway and some country rounds to the hopsital I work at. The only thing I dont like about it is driving it in a thunderstorm. It tends to get blown around being so tall.

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