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Old 11-19-2013, 08:33 PM   #1
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Steering Wheel Off After Steering Box

My steering gear box needed replaced. My friend, who has done 3 on his XJ, offered to help with it. After replacing said box, 2 brake lines that were not planned on, and a broken bolt in the frame, the steering wheel is about an hour or two to the right (clockwise.) Now, my friend put the pitman arm and shaft on, while I held, bolted, and reattached the power steering lines, so I did not see that portion of the install.

This brings me to my question. How would I go about straightening the wheel to its rightful 12 o'clock position (the wheel was straight prior to the new box, the tie rod ends are good at the inner and outer, and there are no bends any location?) Please do not tell me to pull the steering wheel and turn it. I was under the impression the pitman arm had a master spline, and I know that the shaft location on the box and the column is aligned by flats; therefore that cannot be misplaced to the minor degree indexed by the steering wheel.

My friend was a huge help, but his "get 'er done" attitude has gotten me into a bit of a pickle. The wheel is livable i suppose, but correct is worth its weight in gold so to speak, aside from the piece of mind that comes with a proper replacement install.

Sorry about the length of the thread, and thank you in advance.

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Old 11-19-2013, 09:40 PM   #2
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Ok with the pitman arm parallel to the frame you adjust the drag link. It is the first steering rod from the pitman arm to the passenger side knuckle. Loosen the clamps on both end and turn until you get the steering wheel where you want it. Once there lock the steering column and then tighten the clamps at the ends. 15 minute job.

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Old 11-19-2013, 09:42 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forum be sure to fill out your profile folks tend to look at that info when responding to you posts.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:27 PM   #4
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Joker!

You are the man!

I just finished fixing the drivers seatbelt, Lots of pb blaster and patience.

Thanks a million. That will be a job for tomorrow.
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Old 11-20-2013, 12:28 AM   #5
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Along with what Joker said - it *may* take a few tries to get it straight.
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:41 AM   #6
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As per request, I updated my profile info. Thanks for the feedback, gents. You all made me feel welcome in the community. After all, jeep family first, blood family second!
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:44 AM   #7
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So I noticed that I can turn the wheels further to the left than the right, so with the steering wheel straight, the Pitman arm is closer to the drivers side. Does this mean I should separate the tie rod from the pitman arm with the wheels straight, turn the steering wheel until the pitman arm is parallel to the frame, adjust the drag link until it is in the correct location and then reconnect the p.a. and d.l.? And then readjust until I am where I am now? (Steering wheel is straight and so are the tires)
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Old 11-23-2013, 11:54 AM   #8
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First check to see whether or not you are making contact with the steering stops at full turn in each direction, or if one of the stops is out-of-whack, missing etc.

Wouldn't want to start adjusting other things if it happened to be as simple as a steering stop adjustment.

Also, the toe should be checked/adjusted prior to doing most other adjustments.

We frequently do this manually (adjust toe) since if the toe is off, it effects the steering radius.

If you don't know how to adjust the toe manually (its pretty easy) let me know. Its basically free and a simple process.
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Thanks for your response joe. Ill check the stops but it seems the PA is not in the center of its reach when the wheels are straight
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:24 PM   #10
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When the new steering bix was installed did a anyone dheck to make sure it was centered before the pitman arm was installed?

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Old 11-23-2013, 05:20 PM   #11
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the drag link is adjusted so that when the pitman arm is straight that the tires are also straight
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the drag link is adjusted so that when the pitman arm is straight that the tires are also straight
But that is not going to do you any good if the steering box was a half turn off when the pitman arm was attached..
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But that is not going to do you any good if the steering box was a half turn off when the pitman arm was attached..
that is correct but you don't want your pitman arm to be partially turned when your wheels are straight
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Like I said when I posted originally, my buddy owed me for doing all his ujoints, so is very possible it was off when installed
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:52 PM   #15
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So do i need to pull the pitman arm and try and center the box while it's still on the jeep? That seems to be the culprit. I disconnected the drag link and tried to center it up but it seems like it is too far off in the box.
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Here's a photo of the PA while the steering wheel is straight as are the wheels.

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I think I would remove the pitman arm, set the wheels straight ahead, set the steering wheel straight ahead [turn all the way to left, then all the way to right, then find center] and reinstall the pitman arm and then if need be adjust the drag link.
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Thanks Nubby, sounds like a job for the weekend after I get a puller!
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Think PB Blaster, heat, puller, and cutoff wheel. They can be a bi$#h. Mine I cut off when I did my lift.

I though you would have that heep I mean Jeep all straightened out by now.

Took my bucket of bolts and spare parts to the hills this weekend snow hunting and had a blast. Broke in a new winch on everyone else who got stuck.

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Joker! You and me both brother! I did just replace this box so I am not worried in the slightest. I also have dye penetrate that makes pb blaster look like child's play. No offense westley wax! I really thank you all for the input. Ill post a pic and buy you all a beer. And i picked up my new AX15 on Saturday, or this would have been done.
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I'm glad you had fun and made back okay, Jokerman.
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For the record joker, my heep does 85mph
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Mine was doing 80+ one day and it was scary. It was dark out and tough to see down the road. The wind was blowing almost no traffic and it was all uphill.

Then I woke up!!!! Its a four banger and rarely does over 70 but the day I did hit 80 downhill the speedo broke. Haven't been back to 80 since and haven't fixed the speedo.

Good luck let us know how you make out.
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Will do, jokerman. Would have been done today if my whipped brother wasn't fixing his GF's car in MY garage lol!

Far too cold for that ATM.
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Mine was doing 80+ one day and it was scary. It was dark out and tough to see down the road. The wind was blowing almost no traffic and it was all uphill.

Then I woke up!!!! Its a four banger and rarely does over 70 but the day I did hit 80 downhill the speedo broke. Haven't been back to 80 since and haven't fixed the speedo.
My '95 fourbanger (and I know this is a bad idea but I'm young and stupid so please don't lecture me) has seen 100+ mph this past summer had the needle buried but a friend was in his el camino beside me and he told me i was at 104 mph (down hill obviously but who's lets not mention that) it was a little shaky but then im not suprised haha

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