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Old 03-01-2012, 08:42 PM   #1
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Towing with your YJ?

Has anybody towed with the YJ and how far? Planing on towing second vehicle cross country?

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Old 03-01-2012, 11:37 PM   #2
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Haha, well I did 10 miles with my 2.5 towing my wife's ford off the freeway. One rear end a almost a ticket later and we were home, not to mention we had to push it with the jeep the last block due to Cali laws...it's not rubbin, it's racin!!!

Other then that I'm not sure...

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Even 4.0's will struggle to flat tow a vehicle.
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I've towed a full size chevy truck just fine flat towing..
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This subject has been beaten into the floor a few times on here, swb jeeps are NOT tow vehicles, there wheel base is to short, gvw to low, under powered, and not set up for towing anything heavy.
They work for towing light stuff like pop-ups & atv trailers. You might be able to get away with pulling a very light car maybe another wrangler. Stay away from anything heavier. It will do it a few times but will start wearing stuff out and breaking stuff. If you want to tow something bigger, swap them and tow the jeep, jeeps are great at being towed
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People tow with Wranglers all the time. Just because something has a short wheelbase doesn't mean it can't tow. My grandpa has towed 1500lb loads before with his 4.0 TJ perfectly fine through twisty mountain passes. The trick is knowing your limits, and driving as if you have a trailer, not normally.
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from the owners manual.. the 95 yj has a 1 ton GVW towing Capacity (2000 lbs) GTW tounge weight is min 10% or max 15% of that.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:44 AM   #8
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Well my jeep is the 2.5 and other car is a 93 Mazda miata slammed to to floor and was thinking to buy/rent a flat trailer and then tow it to Washington in the summer, what I'm worried abou is that I'll be going thro some mountains no matter which route I take
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The Mazda Miata will weigh in about 2700 lb. If you put it on a trailer you are adding about another 800 lb. If you flat tow it you have to rig up something for the tow bar. Problems both ways.

Is the Miata driveable? There could be a couple options. Option 1 isn't too good. That is to drive one a mile down the road, run back and bring the other one up.

Option 2 is to have a 2nd driver drive one of them and then fly back. Actually the gas cost wouldn't be much more. You will get about 18-20 mpg with the Wrangler empty and about 10 mpg towing. You will get about 30 mpg with the Miata. Total gas will probably be less driving both. One way plane ticket wouldn't be that much. Motel would be about the same for 2 as 1.

Actually, you shouldn't have trouble towing it with a towbar. The short wheel base of both makes it a reasonable situation. Run 4th gear all the way and you will have plenty of torque. The only real issue would be any long declines down mountain passes. It is workable if you aren't in heavy traffic and you start slow and keep it slow. Don't let the vehicle get above 35mph on steep down grades.

People don't understand that the downgrades are the dangerous part if you don't have enough weight and braking. The disc brakes help a lot over the old drums that would fade on the long downgrades. Don't ask me how I know.

You won't find a place to rent you the trailering unless you misrepresent as it exceeds the mfgs ratings. They get finicky about that.

If you have 2,000 miles to go it will take about 200 gal of gas to tow. That will be about $800. It will be about $400 just for the Wrangler. That is $400 extra just for gas. Check with Car Max on how they transport vehicles. You might get it transported for in the $600 range?

If you rent/buy trailer, tow dolly, etc. and add that to the cost of gas, you are getting close to the cost of having it transported.
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Well my jeep is the 2.5 and other car is a 93 Mazda miata slammed to to floor and was thinking to buy/rent a flat trailer and then tow it to Washington in the summer, what I'm worried abou is that I'll be going thro some mountains no matter which route I take
Man that is about the lightest car you could want to tow, but adding a trailer and I'm feeling sorry for your 2.5, its going to strain going up bumps lol. if you do it, find the lightest aluminum trailer to cut your weight as much as possible. And installing trailer break controller and getting a trailer with brakes will make the stopping a whole lot safer
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I'd drop by anyone but u-haul, get them to hook it up and trial it as a condition of rental. use a dolly and 3rd gear on the downslope. Truly I think you'd be ok. Keep your eyes on that temp guage. Hell the military moved water pigs with those jeeps. Tow bar is best.. less weight. check the mazda weight on your door panel.. miata w/ ac comes in at 2279 lbs??? close enough for gov't work.. ups ur luggage save your tranny.
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Well I looked at transporting it and looked a a couple people and they said for that car $1200 cause it's lower to the ground which means harder to transport. I drove the jeep here and it was a good $850 total on gas alone to get here in Ohio, two stops and that's it we averaged my mileage at 12mpg's so if I'm towing it will probaly go down to an 8 which would suck, and I wouldnt be worried about the down grades just because I've towed before just never with my jeep :/
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Try WWW.uShip.com might get lucky with a deal?
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:38 PM   #14
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I'll check that out thanks
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Drive Someone's Car Across U.S. : North America Forum - Travellerspoint you may find a backpacker needs go west.. 1st class travel right there.
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Drive Someone's Car Across U.S. : North America Forum - Travellerspoint you may find a backpacker needs go west.. 1st class travel right there.
Aint no fucking way i'd ever let some broke homeless drive any of my vehicles anywhere let alone across country even if I was in the car right behind them.
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Drive Someone's Car Across U.S. : North America Forum - Travellerspoint you may find a backpacker needs go west.. 1st class travel right there.
Yea that sounds a bit sketchy to me haha I mean yea nice for the money but really that's crazy
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I used to tow a 2000 pounds bbq smoker with a Miata so I'm sure your Jeep can tow anything similar or smaller.
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I used to tow a 2000 pounds bbq smoker with a Miata so I'm sure your Jeep can tow anything similar or smaller.
Yea I'm sure my jeep could do it it's now gotta think trailer, gas and money
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Typically a car haul trailer will be more tongue heavy than a standard trailer. You will see that the wheels are typically set much further back than on a standard trailer. That is going to put about 600 lbs on the tongue of that trailer and on the rear of the jeep. the longer the hitch/drawbar the more it is going to leverage on the rear of the Jeep.

Typically hitches for a jeep are not set up for that much weight. Also, you will need electric brakes. Hydraulic surge brakes are available on some but you can't run an equalizer hitch with surge brakes.

If you don't run an equalizer hitch you are going to be very front end high/rear end low with the jeep. Rear springs aren't made to take that kind of weight without sagging significantly. That means an equalizer hitch to level it out. You can get one fairly reasonable from Reese. But be sure to get the one with the curved end to the bars. That is the sway control aspect of the hitch and is critical to being able to handle it safely.

If you have ebrakes set up properly on the trailer the Wrangler will handle the weight stopping wise. If you have an equalizer hitch with the Sway control (NOT THE FRICTION KIND) built in you will be able to handle the sway portion. Torque wise you can handle it, just be a little slower.

You will probably go up through Chicago, Minneapolis, across ND and MONT into northern Idaho. The only problem area will be western Montana and Idaho/Eastern Washington going across the Rockies. Figure an extra day for that and you will be OK. Just need to take it slow. By then you will have enough road miles to get it all figured out.

At least you can sell the trailer and hitch later if you want and recoupe most of that cost. If you do put on a real equalizer hitch get the Corbin one. It has flat bars that go from the end of the hitch up to bolt onto the sides of the frame. It is the ONLY one I have seen that will handle the upward thrust of the equalizer hitch. Even then I had to weld an angle iron across the bottom that bolted into the cross member due to my using 1,000 lb bars and towing about 7,000 lbs.

It isn't easy to push the limits of equipment and do it safely. Most of the time it means modifying and adapting what is there to beef it up. Just like running oversized wires for the brakes to make sure you get the last 0.1 VDC to the brakes to get the maximum braking capacity.

Good luck at whichever way you decide.
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Ok I'll look into that thank you very much
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I have a 2.5 with 33s and I pull my boat to the ramp every other weekend. It weighs about 2000lbs and if I keep my air off I can cruise at about 50-55mph. It doesn't really want to go much faster then that.
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I have a 2.5 with 33s and I pull my boat to the ramp every other weekend. It weighs about 2000lbs and if I keep my air off I can cruise at about 50-55mph. It doesn't really want to go much faster then that.
But you think that you could tow 2000lbs around 2000miles give or take and it would be fine?
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If you really wanted to do it, I'm sure you could. I would just watch your temp and oil gauges. Your not gonna be breaking any land speed records either. If you get pulled over you could get in some trouble for hauling more then your jeep is approved. I would change all my fluids before the trip including your differentials.
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I understand that you have the 2.5. If you have the auto, I wouldn't try it. If you have the manual run it in 4th most of the way unless on long down grades. You should be keeping the rpm up in the 3500 rpm range unless coasting or cruising flat land with a tail wind.

The 2.5 torque peaks at about 3200 and it redlines at about 5200. As stated, make sure you have changed fluids and should make sure to change the tranny too. Put in some MT90 or such.
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So if your moving is your jeep and miata going to be full with all your junk that stuff adds up 2250 for the miata 750 for a tow dolly 600 all your moving stuff thats 3600 extra pounds on your yj driving through the rockies, all I got to say is good luck even if you can make it up the grades can you stop??? I know my YJ with the 4.0l towing 1200 pounds did not like to stop going down grades.

Second If you use uhaul they will not rent to soft top jeep wranglers.
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It is a manual and I'm used to keeping in and I'm planing to just UPS all my junk towing or not towing just to have the weight off my jeep, and when I did it here I had no room when I stopped at the rest stops to pass out for a couple hours. I saw that on uhauls website but said if its another SUV that your towing they will not do it if soft top, grr! Might just drive the jeep and come back later and pick up the maita.
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Rent a uhaul truck drive the jeep into the back of uhaul truck and the tow miata with uhaul truck, they say nothing about parking jeeps inside there box trucks
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Rent a uhaul truck drive the jeep into the back of uhaul truck and the tow miata with uhaul truck, they say nothing about parking jeeps inside there box trucks
If they actually have a truck that I can fit ether one in that my friend is no a bad idea at all!!!! Haha didn't really think of that till you mentioned it!



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not a miata vid.. but u know.. could it really be this easy? I'd be checkin out CL

and I saw those tow bars on jcwhitney those are pretty nice, and my miata actually doesn't have one of those, really I just need to stop being a dumb donkey and figure out what to do! Lol

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