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Old 03-04-2012, 03:01 AM   #1
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I know this topic is probably beat to death and i been searchin for an answer all night but cant seem to find out why my YJ did this. Its stock height right now i have a lift just not on it yet, i recently took the front sway bar off, it rode perfectly fine. I figured i would take the track bars off since i see everyone saying they dont make a difference on a leaf spring setup, and you get more flex without them. Well i took the front and rear track bars off today, took the jeep for a ride and the things all over the road like its floating. The steering wheel isnt even straight anymore it has to be cocked to the side some for the jeep to go straight and it wasnt like this befor i took the bars off. Why is it doin that, i thought that wouldnt mess with the steering?

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Removing the track bars will uncover other problems that were being masked by them. If your steering is all over the place then you have either TREs, ball joints, or suspension bushings that need replacement.

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Old 03-04-2012, 03:25 AM   #3
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Makes sence. what do you mean by TREs?
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:34 AM   #4
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Nevermind im guessing you mean tie rod ends. Ill have to check out all that stuff tomorrow and see if there is any play in the front end.
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Hey I have been having this issue. Very confused by it. I never associated it to taking the track bar off but the more I think about it, that's when it started. It pulls one way on the gas and the other way on the brake. I took the bar off when my jeep was stock. Since then I did the soa lift. Put in new tre's, ball joints, drop pitman, etc. Just annoys the Hell out of me. I also made a traction bar for the rear and that didnt help the issue.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:14 AM   #6
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I have the surging issue too. Everything in my suspension is worn out, but I always associated it to the lockers compounding everything else
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:21 AM   #7
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Ya I hear this trac bar thing alot....still never tried taking them off. I would never not have the sway bar. I drive on the roads all the time so I i think i might make the diy sway bar discos soon. I know my front trac bar was a little loose last month so i tightened it back up and my steering wheel was off afterwards. Just remember to use forums for direction, cause you have no idea who your taking advice from. I'm kinda bored today so i might try to remove the trac bars to see a difference and I will report on what I find. Also was there anything loose in your front end after you checked it?
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:04 PM   #8
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I just put the bars back in. It feels better but my steering wheel is still cocked To the left ever since I took them out like it threw my alignment off or something. I'm gonna put the lift on soon so I guess I might take them back out, not sure yet.
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:59 PM   #9
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I just put the bars back in. It feels better but my steering wheel is still cocked To the left ever since I took them out like it threw my alignment off or something. I'm gonna put the lift on soon so I guess I might take them back out, not sure yet.
Your not bein very consistant in the testing. Was your front end loose or was there some differnce?
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Old 03-04-2012, 06:29 PM   #10
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Nothing felt loose, or had and play.
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Took my track bars off 2 weeks ago. Got a little looser but not much, and the ride was so good I'll get used to the loose. I kept my sway bar, though.
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As long as your TREs are tight the best reason I can think of for the off steering afterwards is that your suspension bushings are shot. If the bolts aren't securely torqued and/or the bushings are blown it will give slop in the steering as it will allow the axle to shift slightly under cornering forces. Definitely check your bushings, sleeves, and eye bolts.
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To be honest, you're not going to see much flex out of the front end with the sway bar connected, so you can re-install the front one if you want.
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Nothing felt loose, or had and play.
I don't think taking the trac bar off can effect your toe, but i can see it effect the steering wheel alignment. There are two bars in the steering. One goes from wheel to wheel and that sets the toe, the other goes to the steering box which sets where the steering wheel sits. So you couldn't damage the tires. My steering wheel is off alittle but my tires are wearing evenly. Its just annoying having your steering wheeel off .....for me at least
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You can adjust your steering wheel centering by adjusting the drag link. It's super easy. I wouldn't completely remove the swaybar on a daily driver either, it's there for a reason, it's known as stability. As for the track bar, I've never personally removed mine, but it makes sense that you would get more flex by doing this, but once again, it's there for a reason. My Jeep is my daily driver, city, highway, camping, trails, skydiving, my jeep get's me everywhere I need to go without removing parts that real engineers put there for a reason. But that's just my opinion
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You can adjust your steering wheel centering by adjusting the drag link. It's super easy. I wouldn't completely remove the swaybar on a daily driver either, it's there for a reason, it's known as stability. As for the track bar, I've never personally removed mine, but it makes sense that you would get more flex by doing this, but once again, it's there for a reason. My Jeep is my daily driver, city, highway, camping, trails, skydiving, my jeep get's me everywhere I need to go without removing parts that real engineers put there for a reason. But that's just my opinion
Skydiving? How do u get your yj in the plane? Lol
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Skydiving? How do u get your yj in the plane? Lol
Its exspensive. But fun! lol
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As for the track bar, I've never personally removed mine, but it makes sense that you would get more flex by doing this, but once again, it's there for a reason. My Jeep is my daily driver, city, highway, camping, trails, skydiving, my jeep get's me everywhere I need to go without removing parts that real engineers put there for a reason. But that's just my opinion
This has been covered over and over again ad nauseum. Yes "real engineers" put them there for a reason... a completely knee-jerk, overreacting reason. If you believe that engineers always get everything right then you haven't worked on many things mechanical.

Bean counters more often than not have the final say in matters of manufacturing these days, and they definitely were the ones that required track bars on the YJ due to roll over scares in the 80s. It simply reinforces what a useless and fruitless idea it was.
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I think i still have mine in the rear. Does it connect from the frame on the passenger side to the rear axle on the driver side?
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I think i still have mine in the rear. Does it connect from the frame on the passenger side to the rear axle on the driver side?
Yep that's the track bar.
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Yep that's the track bar.
yep thats coming off then
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I have had tracbars and swaybars off for around three years with a 3 1/2" lift and 34 x 10.50 x 15 LTBs and I drive it every mutha lovin Day!
When I started driving swaybars were an Option on sportier cars and werent even offered on economy models !
As long as bolts and bushings and tre are good no worries!
I also have a locker up front and on snow pack roads at spead ( 50-60 mph) it can get Fun real Fast lf forget its up there in 4 wheel drive

* edit* how did green smilie get up there? It was suppossed to be down here !
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I finally removed my trac bars both front and rear. I have to say it rides on the road better. Articulation is def. improved. It also does not feel like it's torquing up when you turn into a parking spot on pavement. Corning was not much different either. I think I'll keep em off. The rear one came off super easy. the front one was a bit harder. You have to remove the sway bar in order to get the top bolt of the front bar off. While I was there I replaced the nuts that hold the sway bar end links with nuts that have the nylon coating so I don't need the cotter pin any longer. I greased the bushings up good and just carry a 3/4 wrench and in 3-4 minutes I can have the links off.
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I finally removed my trac bars both front and rear. I have to say it rides on the road better. Articulation is def. improved. It also does not feel like it's torquing up when you turn into a parking spot on pavement. Corning was not much different either. I think I'll keep em off. The rear one came off super easy. the front one was a bit harder. You have to remove the sway bar in order to get the top bolt of the front bar off. While I was there I replaced the nuts that hold the sway bar end links with nuts that have the nylon coating so I don't need the cotter pin any longer. I greased the bushings up good and just carry a 3/4 wrench and in 3-4 minutes I can have the links off.
Just a side note, Nylock nuts are meant to be "one time use" fasteners. Nobody I know does it (not even me) but that's the way it was meant to be. Just might want to keep an eye on them.

BTW, thanks for the size on the wrench.
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Just a side note, Nylock nuts are meant to be "one time use" fasteners. Nobody I know does it (not even me) but that's the way it was meant to be. Just might want to keep an eye on them.

BTW, thanks for the size on the wrench.
Completly agree. I'll be watching them.
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I am getting ready to remove my trac bars soon also-just curious how long have trac bars been on jeeps not just yj's?
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Taking trac bars and sway bars was one of the best things i did for off-road and makes on-road fun. But if im right yj's were the first for trac bars.

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