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Old 08-21-2014, 05:42 PM   #31
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I DO have the proper tools if you actually read my original posts. I just dont have things like dremels, torches and grinders. The bolt is warped and the socket doesn't fit. Lots of people have recommended vice grips/needle nose since the bolt is already damaged and those tools can potentially grab 2 sides of the bolt that aren't misshapen. But there's not enough space for that to work. You would know that if you had actually read through all the posts. So yeah you are coming off like a douche...
Sorry...I am a mechanic.

Your pic of the vice grip on a bolt made me wince. I could buy a house for what I have invested in tools. I kills me to see (clean up after!) a hack job.

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Old 08-21-2014, 05:45 PM   #32
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I'm new to working on my own vehicle so I don't have a lot of tools yet. I've tried needle nose pliers, open ended wrenches and vice grips but because of where the bolt is in relation to the drive shaft, u joint strap and being up in the skid plate, it's impossible to get any torque on it.

Took a mini crow bar and used it as a lever on the strap and hammered the crow bar hoping to break the strap loose and at least pull the shaft and deal with the bolt later. No luck. The strap is set as tight as the bolt. This was after several application of penetrant oil today, plus I've sprayed it 2 or 3 times in the last few weeks. Going to try the bolt extractor tomorrow. If that fails I have a guy coming over evening with a torch.
Yes, I DID read the posts...needle nose pliers to remove a bolt?!?!?! I guess I am a douche! Have a beer!

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Old 08-21-2014, 08:10 PM   #33
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Not picking on you, or trying to be a douche, but BEFORE you work on your vehicle, get the proper tools!!!! NEVER use pliers on vice grips on a bolt/nut that was a good on. You will do more damage & cause yourself a boat load of avoidable headaches. Get some proper tools! Or if you don't want to spend the $$$, then spend it and pay someone else to do it. Sorry...no free lunches!
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I DO have the proper tools if you actually read my original posts. I just dont have things like dremels, torches and grinders. The bolt is warped and the socket doesn't fit. Lots of people have recommended vice grips/needle nose since the bolt is already damaged and those tools can potentially grab 2 sides of the bolt that aren't misshapen. But there's not enough space for that to work. You would know that if you had actually read through all the posts. So yeah you are coming off like a douche...
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Yes, I DID read the posts...needle nose pliers to remove a bolt?!?!?! I guess I am a douche! Have a beer!
I picked out the posts with a douche in them. Beer Belly, looking at that first one I'd say you kind of invited it into the conversation and notice he didn't call you one he said you are coming off like one....

That having been said, I know that they don't like that kind of tit for tat on this site. They like to keep it friendly.

There are all types of mechanics on this site. Experienced ones and ones just starting out. Also there is sometimes more than one way to accomplish a task. Sometimes it has to do with the tools that you have on hand as to which method you try. Before I had six pointed wrenches, I rounded a lot of hex bolts. And yes, I sometimes resorted to using a pair of vice grips to try and break the bolt free. I can't remember the last time I've had to do that since I purchased all six sided wrenches and sockets. Now the only time I get a chance to use the vice grips is when I've ground the head of a bolt off and am trying to turn what is left of the bolt sticking out. And if that doesn't work there is always drilling and re-tapping.

Lets keep it positive and keep the good suggestions coming.

A good mechanic will know that anybody attempting to get a bolt out using needle nose is doomed to fail and that is how we learned to be a good mechanic. A patient mechanic is one that can watch an apprentice use such a tool and keep from being tempted to say something because learning by making mistakes usually teaches us better than someone always giving away the secrets too early in the learning process.
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Previous experience on this one, but I had more thread showing. My neighbor had a welder and we welded a nut on the bolt. I cried when that bolt broke originally.
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Did you get it out ? If not how about a sharp cold chisel and cut the head off the bolt.
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Speaking of a sharp cold chisel, I've use one to get a rounded bolt out by striking the bold at a slight angle off center in the direction of the desired rotation. It has worked several times for me over the years.
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I've gotten a few bolts like that out with the spline sockets an wrenches. You can pick up a decent set fairly cheaply at sears or Lowes.
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Sorry...I am a mechanic.

Your pic of the vice grip on a bolt made me wince. I could buy a house for what I have invested in tools. I kills me to see (clean up after!) a hack job.

Have fun, good luck, sorry I am a douche bag, have a beer, relax. Fix the junker & make it work!
Well, I'm sorry but you are coming off as extremely negative and judgemental and I would just prefer not to have your opinion on any of my other posts from now on because I don't think you're someone I can get along with. Sometimes that's just how it goes.
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I've gotten a few bolts like that out with the spline sockets an wrenches. You can pick up a decent set fairly cheaply at sears or Lowes.
I actually looked at a set of those yesterday. I plan to buy it in the next Mo th or 2! Thanks for the input!
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Did you get it out ? If not how about a sharp cold chisel and cut the head off the bolt.
Yes, the bolt is out now. Actually one of the members here who lives in the same area spent yesterday helping me fix it. He showed me some ways to remove the broken and warped bolts, then demonstrated and supervised while I fixed some other things so I could gain the experience.

THANK YOU to all who have offered advice, encouragement and anecdotes to help me figure this out. As I said, this is my first mechanical endeavor and there is a huge learning curve! Plus being a 5'1" female, I'm trying to learn cheats for overcoming lack of arm strength (although my size come in handy for crawling into cramped spaces :-))
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By the way I didn't spend a lot of time with vice grips and needle nose trying to mess with that bolt. When I couldn't get a grip I put the tools down and came here for help for fear of causing damage. I may be a newb but not stubborn enough to keep trying something that obviously isn't going to work. ;-)
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I picked out the posts with a douche in them. Beer Belly, looking at that first one I'd say you kind of invited it into the conversation and notice he didn't call you one he said you are coming off like one....

That having been said, I know that they don't like that kind of tit for tat on this site. They like to keep it friendly.

There are all types of mechanics on this site. Experienced ones and ones just starting out. Also there is sometimes more than one way to accomplish a task. Sometimes it has to do with the tools that you have on hand as to which method you try. Before I had six pointed wrenches, I rounded a lot of hex bolts. And yes, I sometimes resorted to using a pair of vice grips to try and break the bolt free. I can't remember the last time I've had to do that since I purchased all six sided wrenches and sockets. Now the only time I get a chance to use the vice grips is when I've ground the head of a bolt off and am trying to turn what is left of the bolt sticking out. And if that doesn't work there is always drilling and re-tapping.

Lets keep it positive and keep the good suggestions coming.

A good mechanic will know that anybody attempting to get a bolt out using needle nose is doomed to fail and that is how we learned to be a good mechanic. A patient mechanic is one that can watch an apprentice use such a tool and keep from being tempted to say something because learning by making mistakes usually teaches us better than someone always giving away the secrets too early in the learning process.
You're right...while no one likes being belittled especially when reaching out for help, responding with like-negativity never solves problems. I was just caught in the middle of extreme frustration and said what was on my mind!
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Now that's what I like to see, good going Shelby987. Looks like your problems going to be solved and you may have met a future trail riding bud, Matroshka. LOL
Wish you had been in GA when I installed my lift though Shelby! JK
It's all mostly fixed now thanks to a little help and supervision and excited for future opportunities to pay it forward!
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From the picture it looks like the lock tab is not bent down to clear the bolt head so a wrench will fit on it use a flat blade screwdriver to bend the tab and socket should fit on it if you haven't damaged the bolt trying other methods.
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We pulled the bolt yesterday, with the bolt in hand, it is pretty obvious that the previous owner / mechanic for this vehicle at some point hit this bolt with a hammer and that looks to be the root cause of the deformation. A 12 point socket and a little love from a hammer made for a snug fit of socket to bolt.

This was a cake walk compared to getting the snapped bolt out of the rear axle yoke!

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Shelby,

Well said by the way. Your posts on this board have been nothing but educational and very helpful and I as a NOOB appreciate it along with all of the others who have helped with my "learning curve". Plus you drive the red headed step child of the often mocked square headlight bunch. Which is all good in my book....
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Ahhhh, a happy ending. I like those. Shelby, you mentioned a broken bolt on the rear on the rear axle yoke. How did that get resolved?
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The yoke is a through hole, so I drilled as close to center of the 5/16" bolt with a 3/16 bit. Once you get the majority of the center of the bolt out, it will collapse in. From there you can either work it out with a pick (turning left) or if you are lucky (like I was) when enough of the torque is release from the threads, the drill will bite what is left of the bolt and thread the bolt in (turning right) and out the back of the hole.
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Sounds good. I have also had luck threading the hole with a tap having the remainder of the threads/bolt either fall out or just follow the tap out.
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a good, cheap tool to have around to help with breaking bolts loose is a 2 foot pipe. slide it on the racket or get a basic breaking bar, add the pipe an your good to go.
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a good, cheap tool to have around to help with breaking bolts loose is a 2 foot pipe. slide it on the racket or get a basic breaking bar, add the pipe an your good to go.
I plan to get that too, in the near future. Thanks!
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a good, cheap tool to have around to help with breaking bolts loose is a 2 foot pipe. slide it on the racket or get a basic breaking bar, add the pipe an your good to go.
I would recommend getting an actual breaker bar. I broke a craftsmen ratcheting wrench that way (broke the ratcheting mechanism)


Lol what works prefect for me is an 18" breaker bar and if I still can't get it off or feel lazy put your two foot pipe on lol
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^ X2 on Zack's post.

Been there, done that. The good news is that Sears doesn't ask questions when you bring in the busted ratchet for replacement.....they just hand you a new (or rebuilt) one that works.

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