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Old 08-27-2013, 07:48 AM   #31
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The starter ticks but Ill try it and how do i bleed the clutch I know there's no leaks because there's no spots or anything around it and it has fluid. Haha thanks I don't mind I just want to get her running again.

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You have someone pump and then hold down the clutch while your under your jeep, you unscrew the bleeder valve and bleed it. Just google to watch some videos if you've never done it before

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Old 08-27-2013, 01:08 PM   #33
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If you're just getting a click and no turn over, it sounds like starter isn't engaging the flywheel teeth at all. The click would imply the starter is getting power at least.

Are you sure it's the correct starter for that transmission/flywheel? Could the starter "axle" just be too short, too long, or not fully installed?

Or, have you checked the voltage at the starter on turn over? Maybe there just isn't enough juice coming through to actually overcome the friction of the teeth fully engaged in the flywheel?

If all of that checks out OK, then something would seem to be preventing the CAM from rotating - but that would normally be a problem on a blown/frozen engine, not a new one. Did the CAM turn by hand before mating to transmission?
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Okay I will check on the clutch bleed! And for the starter its just ticking and I am going to make sure its the one that it needs but according to YouTube videos the starter is supposed to rotate completely 360 am I right? If so mine is not doing that I took it out and had someone turn the key and all it did was act like an impact gun on a really tough bolt not making full 360 rotation.

For the clutch when I took the engine out I shifted it into reverse without thinking and I couldn't get it out of reverse and it was stuck and I needed to move it around so I disconnected the drive shaft and the new motor is back in and no clutch so that's the story behind that.
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I'm pretty sure that's correct - it's supposed rotate 360. My understanding is that its supposed to thrust out to engage the flywheel, turn for as long as it's receiving power (key in start), and the retract and stop rotating when power is removed. I've never pulled on out to see, though.
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I'm pretty sure that's correct - it's supposed rotate 360. My understanding is that its supposed to thrust out to engage the flywheel, turn for as long as it's receiving power (key in start), and the retract and stop rotating when power is removed. I've never pulled on out to see, though.
Okay well according to youtube its supposed to turn 360 but I just wanted to check to make sure. Thanks!
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:54 AM   #37
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Okay so I got a new starter and its doing the same thing and ticking but when I take it out to test it the part that is supposed to go up is not going up to engage the flywheel bad starter?

And a few more questions are the wires on the alternator in the correct position?


Also this wire right here I am thinking its for the clutch and is it in the right place?


And its connected on the passenger side near the firewall here:


And the last one is the starter are the wires connected the right way?


Pics of the swap even though its been done for a while now ooppss:

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Is this a new starter or a junk yard one (nothing wrong with those as long as they work )? If the piston on the starter isn't thrusting out when power is applied (you said the one before this did that, right?), then the starter is either bad or it's not getting enough power.

The only other possibility is that maybe the battery is too weak. That would be hard to believe if you've tried to engage the started while it was "out" of the engine with no results - uninstalled, there's no drag on the starter so it should operate on even the weakest batter.

I'd take the starter back to the parts store (assuming it's new) and have them test it there. Some devices, oddly enough, take 12v through the vehicle wiring system, but connecting directly to the battery directly overload it (been there, melted the wire harness ). I don't know if applying 12v directly to a starter would damage it, but if they test it it's their fault.


And, since you've had trouble with two now, even if you buy another one, see if they'll test if before leaving so you at least know the starter is good before installing a third one.

I also don't remember if you said you were able to manually turn the CAM on the new engine? When you bought it, did you see it operate (where did you get it, why was it for sale?)?

I'm going to work on mine this afternoon, so I'll take a shot of the alternator and starter to compare with your photo's (I, too, have a 2.5).
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Alright so the starter wires where backwards and ive done this couple times now because the seat belt light wont turn on when they are and when they are right they will turn on and the starter does engage the flywheel but does not even budge it? Why wouldn't it budge it and i did get it from advance and ill see if I can go there today and have them test it to see if it is good and alright thanks! By the way everything else is working fine other then the fact that its not turning over.
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Engine wont crank? like it wont turn over? Can you turn the engine over with a socket and breaker bar attached to the crank? Getting it turning over I think is número UNO! Then getting it started is next.
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Engine wont crank? like it wont turn over? Can you turn the engine over with a socket and breaker bar attached to the crank? Getting it turning over I think is número UNO! Then getting it started is next.
Yes it will turn over when i get the socket on it but the starter won't start it. And i also got the engine from a guy who put a 350 in his YJ.
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Had the starter and battery tested and the starter is good and the battery has a dead cell but I switched batteries with another car and still nothing? I jumped it also with another car because I had a feeling that the battery was low and still nothing just ticking.
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Old 09-02-2013, 06:42 PM   #43
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I hate making more posts to ask questions but are the flywheels the same on a 1990 to a 1991?
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You're using both terms "start" and "turn over". Won't start implies you get the click and the engine sounds like it's trying to run but won't catch. Won't turn over means you only get the click, but the engine doesn't make any other sound (sorry if that sounds sanctimonious; just trying to clarify symptoms).

I believe that the flywheel is "paired" with a transmission, not the engine. If the engine mates to the transmission correctly and all the bolts can be secured, then the flywheel should be fine. I think that's it's only purpose; to allow the starter to turn the CAM.

After the starter click do you hear any kind of whirring to indicate the starter is still rotating? Making absolutely sure the frame is properly set on jack stands (not a jack) and the wheels are firmly chocked, can you watch the flywheel through the view plate while someone turns the starter? You should be able to see the flywheel rotate when the starter engages. Even if it doesn't rotate, you should be able to see it try to move.

You also mentioned that the clutch was causing problems and that you had disconnected something. Even if the clutch is disengaged, the transmission could still be in gear. Normally the vehicle to lurch if you tried to start it in gear, but who knows at this point.

If you're only getting a click and no other engine noises, then something else has to be keeping the flywheel from rotating or is preventing the flywheel axle (transmission shaft) from turning the engine CAM. Could the transmission shaft have broken when the old engine seized? You said you tried to start it several times after it first stalled. Did it try to turn over, or just a click then, too? A broken shaft should be very obvious, but if the tip of the shaft remained in the old engine the shaft would be several inches too short.

That last is really only a wild-ass-guess, but you seem to have covered the obvious causes
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And the last one is the starter are the wires connected the right way?


Check your starter again. Here is a pic of mine on a 95. The ground you have going to the starter should be going to the block right behind the coil.
The first pic shows the positive wire and small start signal wire. The second shows the ground going to the block.
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You're using both terms "start" and "turn over". Won't start implies you get the click and the engine sounds like it's trying to run but won't catch. Won't turn over means you only get the click, but the engine doesn't make any other sound (sorry if that sounds sanctimonious; just trying to clarify symptoms).

I believe that the flywheel is "paired" with a transmission, not the engine. If the engine mates to the transmission correctly and all the bolts can be secured, then the flywheel should be fine. I think that's it's only purpose; to allow the starter to turn the CAM.

After the starter click do you hear any kind of whirring to indicate the starter is still rotating? Making absolutely sure the frame is properly set on jack stands (not a jack) and the wheels are firmly chocked, can you watch the flywheel through the view plate while someone turns the starter? You should be able to see the flywheel rotate when the starter engages. Even if it doesn't rotate, you should be able to see it try to move.

You also mentioned that the clutch was causing problems and that you had disconnected something. Even if the clutch is disengaged, the transmission could still be in gear. Normally the vehicle to lurch if you tried to start it in gear, but who knows at this point.

If you're only getting a click and no other engine noises, then something else has to be keeping the flywheel from rotating or is preventing the flywheel axle (transmission shaft) from turning the engine CAM. Could the transmission shaft have broken when the old engine seized? You said you tried to start it several times after it first stalled. Did it try to turn over, or just a click then, too? A broken shaft should be very obvious, but if the tip of the shaft remained in the old engine the shaft would be several inches too short.

That last is really only a wild-ass-guess, but you seem to have covered the obvious causes
Okay sorry it won't turn over all you hear is the starter clicking. And the clutch and the flywheel both came off when I took the old engine out and transferred them over to the new engine and everything went together fine. And the old engine turned over and tried to start but due to the blown piston it did not have compression and would not run. And the transmission shaft seemed fine nothing wrong with it.
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Arg. Then we have to be back to a wiring issue as AllMudd suggested. The storage facility was closed for the holiday so I couldn't take photo's of my setup, but AllMudd's cover's that.
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And the last one is the starter are the wires connected the right way?


Check your starter again. Here is a pic of mine on a 95. The ground you have going to the starter should be going to the block right behind the coil.
The first pic shows the positive wire and small start signal wire. The second shows the ground going to the block.
So your saying that the starter ground that I have connected should be going to the block instead of the starter?

By the way I was watching some videos on youtube of why cars won't start and they said if the wires are getting hot it has some resistance well mine are getting hot so what doe's that mean?
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Loose connection or undersized wire being used
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Well after moving some ground wires to different places and cleaning the terminals on the battery and I was going to post of video of the clicking to see if it would help you guys out to help me solve the problem this happens....click on the pic its a video and will go to my photobucket account.
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I just dropped a new 2.5 into my yj as well. I'm having a similar problem but I get absolutely no clicking or noise. I'm pretty sure I grounded my wires to the wrong places. I have several pictures on my latest thread of my starter motor if they might help you (obviously something is wrong with it though). I'm pretty sure I'm just grounded to the wrong spots though
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I just dropped a new 2.5 into my yj as well. I'm having a similar problem but I get absolutely no clicking or noise. I'm pretty sure I grounded my wires to the wrong places. I have several pictures on my latest thread of my starter motor if they might help you (obviously something is wrong with it though). I'm pretty sure I'm just grounded to the wrong spots though
I did move my starter ground to the bolts that hold the starter in place and also I moved a ground to the actual block instead of the valve cover. And I guess that's what helped plus I turned the key a dozen times or so.
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Well this sounds alot like bad battery cables. Do you have corrosion inside the battery cables? Based on what you've described I would ensure the battery is fully functional and try new batt cables if there is any corrosion present. Moving those around with corrosion in them can cause these kinds of problems.
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By the way that tank was part of a recall because the seal around the filler or sensor would leak. Jeep fixed them for free at one time.

As far as the motor, I am going to assume you rotated it by hand when you got it to make sure it wasn't seized.

Usually if the the starter is just clicking, your battery is too low to turn it over.

Clutch sounds like it needs fluid or need to be bled. or the slave cylinder is leaking.
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Well I got more pics of the damage....







Also my gas tank has been leaking for a little while so while I'm out of a ride for a while I decided to pull it and fix it since money is really tight right now and I'll replace it eventually with a plastic one.



Yes that is gas just from getting it out with out it coming out of the filler or anything else both sides are like that.











And hopefully monday I have a engine to put it.
Where do the 2 lines opposite the filler hose go to? I have just dropped the tank on my 88 wrangler to fix a hole and when I was trying to disconnect the hose it broke. I can find where it leads to. I am assuming the canister under the hood?
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Where do the 2 lines opposite the filler hose go to? I have just dropped the tank on my 88 wrangler to fix a hole and when I was trying to disconnect the hose it broke. I can find where it leads to. I am assuming the canister under the hood?
Yes they go to the canister, they're vent hoses and should go to a T before the canister. How did the tank repair go? I repaired mine a month ago and it held for about 500 miles. Had to replace the tank last night.
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where do the lines opposite the filler hose go to? Canister under hood?
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Yes they go to the canister, they're vent hoses and should go to a T before the canister. How did the tank repair go? I repaired mine a month ago and it held for about 500 miles. Had to replace the tank last night.
Good so far I just put gas in it last night its been bone dry since I repaired it since my engine was being replaced and I had no need to put gas in it but I will see how it goes from here on out.
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I need an air intake for an 89 with a 4.2 with mounting hardware, or an alternate to the OE one if anyone knows of something.
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where do the lines opposite the filler hose go to? Canister under hood?
There are two lines coming from the fuel pump one as a feeder and one as a return and there are two where you put gas in the big one and the other one is as a breather when you put gas in it so it doesn't come back out at ya and the other two are breathers for the tank when your running it as far as they go I have no idea mine come to like a cone shape plastic thing and I'm just going to shove it up in there somewhere where mud and water won't reach it. I really don't see the point of it other then its a breather and therefore not really concerned about it.

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