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Old 11-11-2011, 10:53 AM   #31
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Service manual hits it on the nose. I wouldn't remove the clutch unless it's bad. If it has 200k on it though it might not be a bad idea to replace it. But if you replace it I would have your flywheel worked. The best kind of jack for this job other than like an actually tranny jack is one of those motorcycle jacks that have the big flat surface on them. Because you can take those and run straps over the top of the transmission and strap the transmission to the jack and it helps keep the transmission from falling on you.

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Sorry I left out a few of the details on the removal such as the crank position sensor. I am sitting in my room trying to do this all from memory. MAKE SURE TO UNPLUG THE CRANK POSITION SENSOR. I didn't my first time around and pulled the wires out of it and screwed it up. $60 dollar mistake.

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I have removed my transmission twice now in the last 2 months. Once to replace the clutch and once to replace the transmission. I can't imagine trying to do this without a transmission jack. Getting it down safely is less of an issue than putting it back up. To but it back up, the angle has to be right and it doesn't just slide right in. I had to jockey it a little side to side while pushing on it in the direction it needed to go.

I had a transmission (original) that had third gear synchro problems. Mine is a 92. I started looking on Craig's list as soon as I knew I had a problem and found an AX5 from a 2000 TJ for $150.00 that included a bunch of stuff besides the transmission. I now have 5 solid gears. I thought I would mention this because with your background, taking the transmission apart is a pretty big nut to crack. You may be better off looking for a suitable replacement. Problem is that when I bought the replacement for mine, it was a $150.00 gamble because there was no guarantee that it would work. Best of luck with this project. Work carefully and be safe.
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Sorry I left out a few of the details on the removal such as the crank position sensor. I am sitting in my room trying to do this all from memory. MAKE SURE TO UNPLUG THE CRANK POSITION SENSOR. I didn't my first time around and pulled the wires out of it and screwed it up. $60 dollar mistake.

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You had been tons of help!!!.. thank you so much... I would not been doing it until sometime next time week as I do not even have the money yet..
Yes, I be borrowing tools from people and I can get a jack with wheels.. two guys from work have motorcycles....

Thanks once again!
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I have removed my transmission twice now in the last 2 months. Once to replace the clutch and once to replace the transmission. I can't imagine trying to do this without a transmission jack. Getting it down safely is less of an issue than putting it back up. To but it back up, the angle has to be right and it doesn't just slide right in. I had to jockey it a little side to side while pushing on it in the direction it needed to go.

I had a transmission (original) that had third gear synchro problems. Mine is a 92. I started looking on Craig's list as soon as I knew I had a problem and found an AX5 from a 2000 TJ for $150.00 that included a bunch of stuff besides the transmission. I now have 5 solid gears. I thought I would mention this because with your background, taking the transmission apart is a pretty big nut to crack. You may be better off looking for a suitable replacement. Problem is that when I bought the replacement for mine, it was a $150.00 gamble because there was no guarantee that it would work. Best of luck with this project. Work carefully and be safe.
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you right.. for $150 sounds like a hell of a deal.. I cannot take any chances right now... and I have to get on it... I probably take pictures and a video of how someone with no experience either messes up or successfully removes a transmission by following bullet points..lol
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Well, if it gives you any confidence, before this summer, I hadn't ever taken a transmission down. Next summer I'm rebuilding the old one. I want it to be ready when this one bites the dust.

BTW, while you have the transmission and transfer case down, I would replace the seals on them. That is probably how some of the water got in. And if you check out the shifter riser cap and it is looking dried out, replace that too. I think that is how dirt and crap got into mine. It is worth the price of the replacement. Use an on line source because if you go to Chrysler, the shift riser cap will cost you 30+ dollars. It is not available at local parts stores.
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Dear Paca,

I understand the problem better now, and you are right. It sounds like you have the tools available and someone who can assist you. Of course, this isn't what was said originally in your post. I was concerned for your safety. I have replaced more than my fair share of transmissions... it isn't for the inexperienced or for someone without tools. In your case, I totally understand. Be careful, and don't rush anything and don't force anything. Common sense rules.

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Dear Paca,

I understand the problem better now, and you are right. It sounds like you have the tools available and someone who can assist you. Of course, this isn't what was said originally in your post. I was concerned for your safety. I have replaced more than my fair share of transmissions... it isn't for the inexperienced or for someone without tools. In your case, I totally understand. Be careful, and don't rush anything and don't force anything. Common sense rules.

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Yes, I guess you are right I should be a little more detail.. but I had two wrenches and I broke them both just removing the transmission drain plug last week... lol... so right now... " almost no tools"... the help.. it is a kid who wants to make a little cash.. he said he done it before in a Monte Carlo.. so Jeep shouldn't be too different.. I hope..


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Well, if it gives you any confidence, before this summer, I hadn't ever taken a transmission down. Next summer I'm rebuilding the old one. I want it to be ready when this one bites the dust.

BTW, while you have the transmission and transfer case down, I would replace the seals on them. That is probably how some of the water got in. And if you check out the shifter riser cap and it is looking dried out, replace that too. I think that is how dirt and crap got into mine. It is worth the price of the replacement. Use an on line source because if you go to Chrysler, the shift riser cap will cost you 30+ dollars. It is not available at local parts stores.
Hey jk.

Thanks I will take note of that
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Yes I removed my tranny and t-case yesterday you would want help with that as I did ,they are heavy enough that it would hurt to have it fall on you .The bullet point instructions are dead on for the most part ,I didnt use any instructions but I have 30 years of experience with motor vehicles ,this is my first Jeep tranny job but I have done many others ,and just so you know a standard transmission is what it is but comparing a 4wd tranny /t-case setup to a Monte Carlo is like comparing apples to oranges the only comparison is that they are both fruit .Good luck man and if you run into a bind we are here and will try to help you along as much and as fast as we can . Good luck !
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Yes I removed my tranny and t-case yesterday you would want help with that as I did ,they are heavy enough that it would hurt to have it fall on you .The bullet point instructions are dead on for the most part ,I didnt use any instructions but I have 30 years of experience with motor vehicles ,this is my first Jeep tranny job but I have done many others ,and just so you know a standard transmission is what it is but comparing a 4wd tranny /t-case setup to a Monte Carlo is like comparing apples to oranges the only comparison is that they are both fruit .Good luck man and if you run into a bind we are here and will try to help you along as much and as fast as we can . Good luck !

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Thanks!!! I have to tell you that this is exactly what I was looking for; some type of steps to follow and some support.. THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE!!!!! and believe me if anything goes wrong you will see me screaming like a little "bitch" for help...LOL...(I will inform you as soon as I start working on it..as I am getting the $$$ ready for the worst case scenario in parts).... ps, did you take any pics while you did it?

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in all of this, no one suggested not going into 5th gear, it is only an "overdrive" gear, so unless you HAVE to go 60 mph, there is no need, you can safely stay in 4th gear going 50-55 mph.....

and mixing the 2 oils, you were better off not even buying new stuff, because you just took 2 steps back with that....and this is not ajob you can do without proper tools, you need a transmission jack for one, you'll have to take your rear driveshaft off(being careful not to destroy the u joint as you say money is tight), you might have to disconnect the front driveshaft, i don't think there's enough play in it to pull the trans out properly.

this is why i save every penny i can for a rainy day, never know when soemthing expensive is going to break.
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Thanks!!! I have to tell you that this is exactly what I was looking for; some type of steps to follow and some support.. THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE!!!!! and believe me if anything goes wrong you will see me screaming like a little "bitch" for help...LOL...(I will inform you as soon as I start working on it..as I am getting the $$$ ready for the worst case scenario in parts).... ps, did you take any pics while you did it?

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Sorry no pictures were taken ,taking it apart is easy,if it's in your way remove it,but you may want to organize your bolts in a way that you will know where they go back .I just remember where they go myself .I myself am not using a tranny jack,just 2 strong guys to lift it up and wiggle it into place ,we had to wiggle it out so wiggling it back in should not be a problem lol.The tranny /transfer case are heavy but no unmanageable ,I carried both of them and placed them on my work bench .But I would never suggest you tackle this by yourself thats for sure .
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S_Man brings up a great point. I work on Marine Diesel and Auxiliary equipment often and anytime I am doing a tear down, I always use zip-lock bags and a black marker to keep the hardware organized and make sure it goes back into the proper place.

Take pictures of the whole set up before you start and anytime you start to get confused. Refer to them during the rebuild or post them here for help if you really get stuck.
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Can't agree more about organizing the hardware on the disassembling. I use simple brown lunch bags and a black marker. I number the bags and write the place where I took them off of.

Also the comment about taking things out of your way. I don't know, for instance, if the directions that I was following from the Haynes manual mentioned disconnecting the exhaust pipe at the junction below the header and the oxygen sensor attached to it but in order to back the transmission out, I had to do that. Balancing it on a standard jack while I dealt with that would have been very awkward. Luckily it was on a transmission jack and chained in. I could change the angle and move it around without worrying about it coming off of the jack. A lot easier and safer to do it with the tranny jack but I suppose it can be done with a standard floor jack.
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Anybody know how much the transmission/transfer case assembly weighs when it is bolted together?
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My guess would be over 100 lbs but less then 150 lbs. One person with much difficulty can lift it. Two peoples do much better lifting it. Transmission jack....easiest to lift it.
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transmission alone weighs 180 lbs dry, and the np231 transfer case weighs 75 lbs dry.....and i buy every lb of both as I've carried each individually by myself....they are not light, this is not something you can do without proper jacks
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transmission alone weighs 180 lbs dry, and the np231 transfer case weighs 75 lbs dry.....and i buy every lb of both as I've carried each individually by myself....they are not light, this is not something you can do without proper jacks
Wow 180 it didnt feel like that at all (maybe I should lay off the red bull) lol
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So we're talkin' about 255 lbs here. Not something you want fallin' on your chest while you're laying on your back on a hard cement floor.
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OK guys! as you are my guides I am taking note of everything and I got my doctor on call (just in case...lol).. last night I lifted 190 pounds weights.. just in case.. (not a joke.. I really did)...

collected zip bags from work and a couple red bulls (that worked for someone..ha,ha).

there is no chance of rain tonight so....I am doing it tonight!!!! no way around it!!! I am pump and ready...LOL...

I will take pics as I go.. and hopefully we all can have a good laugh about this whole deal..

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OH boy.. I was so ready to do it and then my wife stop me as She has to take our kid to the doctor..oh well... it will be in the weekend now.. This is how far I got..lol
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I am on it!!

I remove ski plate and front shaft...
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rear shaft out

rear shaft is out... forgot what goes next.. need to see check list
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It maybe too late but I used a ratchet strap to hold and lower my trans/tc. I hooked each end around each side bar then through the hole, around the trans. While using my jack I got it down and back in without holding the darn thing. My shoulders are not what they used to be.
Good luck with yours, I am replacing a ba10 trans to a ax15.
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what a freaking pain the ass,... i just spent almost an hour trying to figure out how to remove the shifter.. I could not push down enough..it was a base under the rubber piece the one that I had to push down...!!! now I will be removing starter.. and the big bolts and this baby is going down!!!!!!
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could not finish today

ok..so far one of the screw that holds the starter doe not want to come out.. and then two wrenche4s broke.. (that is 4 already) and the socket that I am using for the big bolts... it is 5 am... I will take nap and go to work.. hopefully I get it done tonight...

I place some ropes to hold the trans and I placed a rolling jack..
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did you spray the bolts your taking out with pb blaster penetrating oil????

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