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Old 09-14-2013, 10:14 PM   #1
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Moab/Colorado Oct 19-Oct 31

My father and I are planning a father son road trip out west next month. Hoping I can get some input and recommendations from the more seasoned veterans on here as this will be my maiden voyage.

First off I hope everyone in Colorado is safe and sound in all the flooding, it looks terrible from what we are seeing on the news. Going through multiple hurricanes in NC and natural disasters I know it seems like your world is torn apart.

We will be driving from Western, NY and heading straight to Moab, Utah. The plan is to find a base camp to use and then wheel all day while returning to camp at night. Not sure if this is realistic so this is where we need the help.

I'll have a 2014 JKU and pulling a Dinoot compact trailer with our supplies. The plan is to either have a RTT for the trailer or sleep in the back of the Jeep. Looks like we could get temps anywhere from 80's to 20's so I'm hoping someone can tell us if we are crazy or not.

I'll update this thread with the planning and eventually some trip updates while we are out there.

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There are plenty of camping options in and around Moab. I have never used the private owned commercial camp sites but they have some that look good in Moab. I always use Arches National Park which is a really nice option. You have to give yourself about a 30+ minute drive to the camp ground from Moab but it is worth it. Arches is a place you will want to spend a little time checking out. Instead of trying to sleep in the back of a jeep I would get an air mattress and a tent. My wife and I travel all over the country and rest very good that way. They also have cheep little cabins at some of the commercial campgrounds around Moab too. Either way you will have to make reservations. Get on the internet and start searching. There is a lot in that area and it is all on the net. Also, even though I have never been there in October, I think it is pretty mild. Not positive but being it's a high desert I think it has relatively mild winters. Like I said, get on your computer and don't wait. It all books up quickly.

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My father and I are planning a father son road trip out west next month. Hoping I can get some input and recommendations from the more seasoned veterans on here as this will be my maiden voyage.

First off I hope everyone in Colorado is safe and sound in all the flooding, it looks terrible from what we are seeing on the news. Going through multiple hurricanes in NC and natural disasters I know it seems like your world is torn apart.

We will be driving from Western, NY and heading straight to Moab, Utah. The plan is to find a base camp to use and then wheel all day while returning to camp at night. Not sure if this is realistic so this is where we need the help.

I'll have a 2014 JKU and pulling a Dinoot compact trailer with our supplies. The plan is to either have a RTT for the trailer or sleep in the back of the Jeep. Looks like we could get temps anywhere from 80's to 20's so I'm hoping someone can tell us if we are crazy or not.

I'll update this thread with the planning and eventually some trip updates while we are out there.
Moab gets quite cold at night in October.

http://weatherspark.com/averages/299...-United-States

In October most of the high colorado passes will be closed (they already had snow on the peaks) so you can probably go straight to Moab and stay there. Camping will be pretty easy, since it's not peak season anymore, but you need to be prepared. You need to bring your own firewood (where allowed, many places do not allow fires), propane tanks, proper winter sleeping gear (do NOT sleep in the jeep, you will wake up cold and soaked), emergency items like emergency blankets, 100 hour candles, extra gas (10 gallons minimum IMHO), lots of water, high calorie emergency good, canned soup, a jet boil and kettle, etc.

If you are not prepared to sleep in those conditions, consider renting a cabin at this place.
Tent & RV Camp Sites | Archview Resort Moab Utah

If you do decide to camp, you definitely want to try and hit the White Rim trail, and if you really want to earn that overland badge you have under your screename , head out into the maze district, towards the dollhouse, etc.

Don't forget to pack emergency tools, etc.

If you have any questions, I'll try my best to answer em.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Sounds like I need a reality check and alter my plans a bit. We have no set schedule and planned to just play it by ear and do what we want.

I have a trailer that I will be towing that has the capability of a RTT. Looks like if we really want to fly by night than I will need this option. We planned to just drive and make reservations on reserve America each day for wherever we were close to camp.

With the trailer we will be able to haul food, water, fuel, tools, etc that would overload us in the Jeep so I plan to go way over prepared.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Sounds like I need a reality check and alter my plans a bit. We have no set schedule and planned to just play it by ear and do what we want.

I have a trailer that I will be towing that has the capability of a RTT. Looks like if we really want to fly by night than I will need this option. We planned to just drive and make reservations on reserve America each day for wherever we were close to camp.

With the trailer we will be able to haul food, water, fuel, tools, etc that would overload us in the Jeep so I plan to go way over prepared.
Sounds like a plan. You will have tons of stuff to do around the moab area as well as the Zion and Powell area. Stick to Utah for this trip. Let me know if you need suggestions where to spend your time.
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I use this site for info about when the passes open in the spring: Bushducks - Jeep Trail and Backroads Trip Reports<BR>Colorado Jeep Trails and Passes - Opening Dates. You can check previous years on this site to get an idea when they might close, although the info often isn't there - unfortunately it doesn't always list when they close, and I haven't found a site that does reliably list that. Probably there is such a site, maybe someone else knows where to find that info (other than calling the Forest Service).
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Thanks for the suggestions Dave and for the link Jeff, that will help out a lot.

So question for you guys that have run these trails in Moab as that looks like where we plan to stick to mostly (probably just a trail or two in Colorado on the trip back to my conference in Denver).

Do I need a hi lift jack with me for the trip? My Jeep will be on 33 tires max so I can still use the bottle jack. I won't have a winch as I just can't justify hanging one off the front of the Jeep what we do with it. Just trying to figure out how to carry it along.

Also other than switchbacks with a JKU and trailer anyone see any reason I shouldn't tow my trailer out there? The extra storage would be great and we plan to base camp it for most of the trip and just head out with the Jeep. Are we asking for trouble not knowing the trails?
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Thanks for the suggestions Dave and for the link Jeff, that will help out a lot.

So question for you guys that have run these trails in Moab as that looks like where we plan to stick to mostly (probably just a trail or two in Colorado on the trip back to my conference in Denver).

Do I need a hi lift jack with me for the trip? My Jeep will be on 33 tires max so I can still use the bottle jack. I won't have a winch as I just can't justify hanging one off the front of the Jeep what we do with it. Just trying to figure out how to carry it along.

Also other than switchbacks with a JKU and trailer anyone see any reason I shouldn't tow my trailer out there? The extra storage would be great and we plan to base camp it for most of the trip and just head out with the Jeep. Are we asking for trouble not knowing the trails?
Well, first of all, get this book. It's your bible.

Guide to Moab, UT Backroads & 4-Wheel-Drive Trails: Charles A. Wells, Shelley Mayer: 9781934838068: Amazon.com: Books

Second, is your trailer on 33" tires as well? You will indeed need to be a bit more careful (especially with the connection point on the switchbacks) but you'll be ok. As you are rolling with just 1 rig, I'd stay away from the red trails (that will make sense when you get the book.) Hilifts are pretty useless in most situations unless you break something. A bottle jack or even the OEM jack with the AEV jack booster will work fine for tire changes. Basic tools with correct jeep sockets and wrenches (21mm, etc)

You don't need a winch in Moab, in 90% of the places, you can't use it because there is nothing to hook up to.

If it's just 2 of you, and you don't have THAT much gear, it might make sense to load the Jeep up and leave the trailer at home, but if your trailer is also on 33s, you can take it (some things will be easier without it.) Plan on 2-3 days on the white rim trail. You should make reservations for white rim camping now though, ask for a nice spot.

Colorado....if you only have time for a few trails, you want the Ouray/Telluride/Silverton area, but I am 99% sure by the time you go, the peaks will be closed (who knows, you might get lucky though.) If they are, save it for another trip, and maximize your time in Utah. You can wheel in Utah for 4 months straight and not run the same trail twice. If you are hellbent on "something else" maybe take a detour, and go to Lake Powell (use bullfrog marina as your destination point)....amazing place. (Watch "Broken Arrow" with John Travolta and Christian slater if you want a preview.)

Holler if you need more advice.
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Thanks for the suggestions Dave and for the link Jeff, that will help out a lot.

So question for you guys that have run these trails in Moab as that looks like where we plan to stick to mostly (probably just a trail or two in Colorado on the trip back to my conference in Denver).

Do I need a hi lift jack with me for the trip? My Jeep will be on 33 tires max so I can still use the bottle jack. I won't have a winch as I just can't justify hanging one off the front of the Jeep what we do with it. Just trying to figure out how to carry it along.

Also other than switchbacks with a JKU and trailer anyone see any reason I shouldn't tow my trailer out there? The extra storage would be great and we plan to base camp it for most of the trip and just head out with the Jeep. Are we asking for trouble not knowing the trails?
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Believe it or not I'm replying to this from Colorado, I made an impromptu trip here to do some more offroading even though I was just here.

Towing the trailer: this is more of an issue in Colorado than in Moab, but a bigger worry for me than switchbacks would be a long shelf road - there may be no place to pass, and backing up a trailer any distance on a shelf road would be well beyond my trailer driving competence. An accident waiting to happen.

Here's a photo I took last month at the start of the Ophir Pass trail... it's not a difficult trail, I did most of it in 2wd, however there's a long shelf section on the west side of the pass that would be very troubling for a trailer if you ran into opposing traffic. Notice the sign:



And when I did get to the shelf section, most of it was shrouded in fog, which would make the trailer/traffic issue even more risky. (We did meet opposing traffic btw, and it as a weekday morning, not even a weekend).



Personally if I had the chance to leave the trailer at the campsite and my plan included camping in the same place that night, I'd opt to leave it.

As for the Hi-Lift, you probably don't need it for changing tires, but I often bring mine with tow straps and tow chain since I don't have a winch. I haven't needed it ever, but if I did get stuck, I could use it (albeit slowly) to help extract the Jeep. But to NFRs2000NYC's point, it would be more usable in Colorado where there is often something to hook to.
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Believe it or not I'm replying to this from Colorado, I made an impromptu trip here to do some more offroading even though I was just here.

Towing the trailer: this is more of an issue in Colorado than in Moab, but a bigger worry for me than switchbacks would be a long shelf road - there may be no place to pass, and backing up a trailer any distance on a shelf road would be well beyond my trailer driving competence. An accident waiting to happen.

Here's a photo I took last month at the start of the Ophir Pass trail... it's not a difficult trail, I did most of it in 2wd, however there's a long shelf section on the west side of the pass that would be very troubling for a trailer if you ran into opposing traffic. Notice the sign:



And when I did get to the shelf section, most of it was shrouded in fog, which would make the trailer/traffic issue even more risky. (We did meet opposing traffic btw, and it as a weekday morning, not even a weekend).



Personally if I had the chance to leave the trailer at the campsite and my plan included camping in the same place that night, I'd opt to leave it.

As for the Hi-Lift, you probably don't need it for changing tires, but I often bring mine with tow straps and tow chain since I don't have a winch. I haven't needed it ever, but if I did get stuck, I could use it (albeit slowly) to help extract the Jeep. But to NFRs2000NYC's point, it would be more usable in Colorado where there is often something to hook to.
Excellent point. Slipped my mind. I would hate to have a trailer on some of the trails in Colorado, and those are the trails you want to hit (Ophir, Engineer, Imogene, etc.) Moab the traffic would be much lighter and there is generally room to pass or pull over. If you do own a hilift, you can bring it along with a decent strap so that in case something does happen, you can rig something to help you lift the jeep, tug the jeep, etc.
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I'm continuing to plan for the trip and the wheels in my mind keep turning. After reading up on the more inexpensive RTT's like Camping Concepts, CVT and Tepui it seems they really do not breathe as well as some of the fancier ground tents made today. I know you discussed the condensation issue in the Jeep and sounds like in certain weather this may be an issue in the tents also.

I decided to do some testing which I'll outline here or in a thread by itself. I'll outline the pros and cons of sleeping in a JKU with some designs and also sleeping in a true RTT on my trailer.

We were at a campsite a couple weeks ago and the bugs were eating us up. This solution would be nice to keep the kids in the back while your lounging around. I'm thinking if I'm able to screen the windows and leave them down while adding a rain fly to keep rain from dripping in you should get a good flow through the Jeep and don't have to listen to a flapping tent if its windy.

For the Jeep I picked up some plastic screening material at a garage sale last weekend and a set of little round magnets. This is half done as I plan to add magnets along the sides also but you get the idea. Nice thing is it rolls up small to pack out of the way. I plan to make a set for both the front and rear windows.

I'm going to try and test sleeping in the Jeep in a 40 degree night this week with the screens installed. I'll update on my findings.

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I'm continuing to plan for the trip and the wheels in my mind keep turning. After reading up on the more inexpensive RTT's like Camping Concepts, CVT and Tepui it seems they really do not breathe as well as some of the fancier ground tents made today. I know you discussed the condensation issue in the Jeep and sounds like in certain weather this may be an issue in the tents also.

I decided to do some testing which I'll outline here or in a thread by itself. I'll outline the pros and cons of sleeping in a JKU with some designs and also sleeping in a true RTT on my trailer.

We were at a campsite a couple weeks ago and the bugs were eating us up. This solution would be nice to keep the kids in the back while your lounging around. I'm thinking if I'm able to screen the windows and leave them down while adding a rain fly to keep rain from dripping in you should get a good flow through the Jeep and don't have to listen to a flapping tent if its windy.

For the Jeep I picked up some plastic screening material at a garage sale last weekend and a set of little round magnets. This is half done as I plan to add magnets along the sides also but you get the idea. Nice thing is it rolls up small to pack out of the way. I plan to make a set for both the front and rear windows.

I'm going to try and test sleeping in the Jeep in a 40 degree night this week with the screens installed. I'll update on my findings.

Not a bad idea, lest we forget, what if it rains? You'll be forced to close the windows. If you do, you and your dad's breath will essentially turn your Jeep into a $40,000 humidifier. You will be soaked and uncomfortable. This is a problem in tents as well, but in a tent (a decent one) will at least have a roof vent (like a coleman instant tent). I hate to say it, but you might want to think about those side window things that let you open the window 1" and not let water in. That would let you keep the moisture problem at bay. Not trying to discourage you or anything, just want to make sure you're prepared and thought about all situations. Another "backyard" solution would be to get a small plastic tarp (about 3x3') which you would pinch clip to the hardtop gutter (with a potato chip bag pincher or even those fat paper binder clips like these
Amazon.com: ACCO Metal Binder Clips, Medium Size, 1.25 Inch Width, 0.63 Inch Capacity, Black/Silver, 12 Clips per Box (A7072050): Office Products

The other two corners you tie to a section of paracord (get 100 feet, something all outdoor jeepers should always carry)
Amazon.com: Rothco 550lb. Type III Nylon Paracord: Sports & Outdoors

And stake them in the ground with a tent stake for each corner...at a 25 degree angle for drainage. This will allow you to keep your windows open without having to worry about getting rained on. If you have a tarp go all the way to the ground, it will block wind as well. Just throwing ideas at you until you hear one you like.
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Right on the money, now that I went back and read what I wrote I see I forgot that important detail. For the backyard test I plan to put a pop up canopy that I borrowed over the entire Jeep and stake it down.

The long term plan is to make exactly what you said, a clamp on solution that attaches to the rain gutter and provides cover for both windows. I found a set of old Thule rain gutter clamp on posts and rails that I think may work. Just put them up, add some Velcro to edges and sew the Velcro to a tarp. Leave extra in a wing once you get over windows so you have protection from driving wind and either tent pole or paracord as you recommended.

Still trying to get my wife to test out this arrangement so we see how it works but she's not real keen on sleeping in the back of the Jeep in the front yard .
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Guys, just get a tent. Coleman's been making them for years. We use the 6 Person Sundome. Its 10X10 and 6' high so it will fit on campsite pads in most campgrounds and you can stand up in it. You can fit two queen air beds but if its just two of you just use one and you will have plenty room to get dressed and room for clothes. As for as moisture, it will be less of a problem in a tent due to better ventilation.
We spent 16 nights between the North and South Rim of the Grand Canyon, the "Doll House #3" in the Maze district(tropical storm winds), and Arches NP in May 2012 with no problems. Moisture was not a problem because there is no moisture out there. A bigger problem is dry cracking skin. Serious, bring a good lotion. However, I tent camp all the time here in Louisiana where the air can drown you. Just make sure you don't put anything against the tent walls but moisture should not be a problem. For cold weather camping a good sleeping bag with the proper rating should do the job. We use a small "honeycomb" type heater when hunting in to cold "damp" weather. Cold is one thing but when its cold and damp you can't get away from it.
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Heck, If your coming through Denver. I'll have my tent. You can borrow it until you drive back through.. That way you have one and you don't have to worry about bugs or rain!!
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If you go to RME4x4.com - Utah Rock Crawling and Off-Road they have a lot of members who live in Moab. They will give you all the info you need, and probably meet you for a trail or two. Nice bunch of people on that forum.
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I truly envy you and the fun you hope to have. It is even more special when you have someone you really want to share that experience with. Last year, I took my brother out with me at the end of September. This year, I took my sister's son out there this summer. The memories are so vivid it is like it happened last week.

Colorado is a beautiful state. However, I suspect you will arrive well past the peak fall foliage which can be life changing. I don't think you have really experienced color until you are driving down a road with a canopy of aspen trees around in full sunlight. The color is so intense you can close your eyes and feel it just as you feel heat radiating from hot objects. Trees look like they are lit from the inside.

Utah will take you into another dimension. If I had to spell heaven only using 4 letters, MOAB would be it. I love southern Utah. I have driven several of the trails listed in the Moab and Colorado FunTreks 4x4 books and the descriptions are pretty good. Another good book is "Utah Byways Guide Book" by Tony Huegel. It covers a lot of smaller trails beyond the Moab area.

I am not sure about dragging a trailer around. For me, pack just what you need and tie it down good. If you are not staying in cabins or motels, a tent is your next best option. When traveling with someone else who's idea of personal space might differ, that might get cramped after a few nights. Just saying.

If you find you want to see some really nice country without having to use 4wd, a jack, or a winch to get through, you can stay on some well maintained roads. Keep this in mind in case you have a couple of weather days to deal with. Here are a couple of routes I enjoy...

Moki Dugway - Take US-191 south from Moab to Blanding. Just south of Blanding, take UT-95 like you are headed towards Natural Bridges National Monument. Just before you get to Natural Bridges National Monument, you will pass by UT-261. Turn onto UT-261 and read the caution sign... fun roads have warnings . About 23 miles down a pretty good paved road, the pavement will suddenly end and you will find yourself on top of a cliff looking across infinity and beyond... well, not quite, but close. The road goes down a 10%+ grade with some pretty good switchbacks. (hint: for best views, drive down switchbacks). The road was made for ore trucks, so it is plenty wide and you should do ok with a trailer attached to a Jeep... I personally would not want to be dragging a 25' trailer behind an RV though. Pavement begins again at the bottom of the hill... 3 miles from the top.

At the bottom of Moki Dugway, you will pass by the exit to the Valley of the Gods. If it hasn't been raining in the past day or so, continue down to US-163, then turn back towards Blanding. A few miles up, you will see the turn back to the left that takes you into the Valley of the Gods. This road is dirt and rough in spots, but I have seen people in Mustangs and BMW convertibles making the trip ok. (Never by a rental car from Utah!)

You can drive down towards Monument Valley for some nice open country views. I wouldn't waste time going into Monument Valley though. Rough road and you can see similar stuff for free.

If you go back up to UT-95, you can continue up towards Lake Powell a couple different ways. You can also head up to Hanksville where UT-95 will intersect with UT-24. Not too far north of there is Goblin Valley which I found to be pretty neat. If you head west towards Torrey, you will cross Capital Reef National Park and pass some interesting scenery, especially around Frutia.

Ranging even farther down this path, at Torrey, turn south on UT-12. This will take you through the Dixie National Forest with some interesting views of the Henry Mountains off to the east. This will take you down towards Escalante and Bryce Canyon... across an area known as the Hogbacks... one of the most scenic roads I can point you to.

All of this and I haven't even touched on the side roads / trails... but some of them can degrade pretty quick with bad weather.

Wish I was going with you! Let us know how it turns out.
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...Colorado is a beautiful state. However, I suspect you will arrive well past the peak fall foliage which can be life changing. I don't think you have really experienced color until you are driving down a road with a canopy of aspen trees around in full sunlight. The color is so intense you can close your eyes and feel it just as you feel heat radiating from hot objects. Trees look like they are lit from the inside...
He might not arrive after the fall colors if he left right now, but he'd likely arrive after many of the trails are impassible. The rain on Sunday turned into snow in many of the high elevation areas, here's about 4" at the top of Ohio Pass, this photo was taken Monday afternoon:



But you're right about the Aspens...



Most of the Aspens haven't changed color yet, so there's still time for that, the photo above was taken Saturday on the Yankee Boy Basin road.
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That area is amazing any time of year. You have wildflowers in the summer, aspens in the fall, winter wonderland during the cold months, what more can a Jeeper ask for? Colorado has it all.
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So much great information from everyone in this thread. Thanks for taking the time to help me get the most out of this trip. Hopefully this thread will help others in the future also.

So much has come together at just the right time to make this possible. Jeff having his trailer for sale and local, Dave's trip thread that inspired me (and I think most everyone else on the forum) as well as everyone's inputs, PM's, etc.

I grew up wrenching on old junky cars in all kinds of weather with my Dad. While at the time I hated it what I learned and my appreciation for what I have now was because of that. Life and work seems to always get in the way through the years and we forget to truly enjoy the time we have together.

That's what this is for me, a trip to thank my Dad for all he's done for me and to see a part of the country I've never seen before. I just hope my trip report can inspire other people to make the trek (though I can guarantee my pictures just won't be as good as NFRs2000NYC).
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So much great information from everyone in this thread. Thanks for taking the time to help me get the most out of this trip. Hopefully this thread will help others in the future also.

So much has come together at just the right time to make this possible. Jeff having his trailer for sale and local, Dave's trip thread that inspired me (and I think most everyone else on the forum) as well as everyone's inputs, PM's, etc.

I grew up wrenching on old junky cars in all kinds of weather with my Dad. While at the time I hated it what I learned and my appreciation for what I have now was because of that. Life and work seems to always get in the way through the years and we forget to truly enjoy the time we have together.

That's what this is for me, a trip to thank my Dad for all he's done for me and to see a part of the country I've never seen before. I just hope my trip report can inspire other people to make the trek (though I can guarantee my pictures just won't be as good as NFRs2000NYC).
I still maintain, in late October, skip Colorado. Most of the nice passes will be snowed in, and even if they are not fully closed, they will be closed at the summit, so save that for next year. Make this an annual thing with your dad, hell, maybe you can join us next year when we plan a trip with peeps from the tri state area.

For this trip with your pops, plow through past colorado, bounce around in Moab. If you love it, spend your entire time there. If you want to check out other things, plow through into Nevada, and if you have the stamina, make it out to death valley and sequoia national forest. If not, drive to Moab, hang around there, head on down to Zion and Powell, cut into Arizona, then head home from there. You can't see it all, so see things that are perfect that time of year.
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Just commented on this pic in the other thread....



If you have some more spare change (how many times have I said this to you hahahaha) I'd think about some rock rails. Those plastic fantastics will get chewed up or broken pretty fast on the trails. Ace will probably work out well, and you will still have the use of a step.
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I think you are taking a cool trip although at this time of year Colorado is beginning winter. Snow was reported on the San Juans last night. We are going to be in Moab the 14th of October and set up a base from there to explore during the day and drink beer at night. I think eventually I am going to invest in a motorcycle camper and use it for both the Wrangler and the bike. We wanted to tent camp this time but the weather is so unpredictable that we may just rent a cabin which has a heater!.
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I'm going to heed the advice from the more experienced folks here. I have to be in Denver on Nov 1 for a conference so we planned to hit at least one trail on the way back from Moab. What we will probably do is check with the locals and see what is passable at the time.

I have a set of Rubicon rock rails ready to go on. I know they are no where as strong as the Ace and other true sliders but I hope to not get into a place more then just using them for what they are, a rub rail.

I plan to have some steps like the Poison Spyder Rico or the Warrior Renegade welded to them. Give us a small step and some door protection. I have a call out to Warrior to see how much of a step they provide. I also have a local fab company quoting me a custom set welded on.

Got the trailer hooked up this morning to take some things to the landfill. My other leaf spring came in to Central Tractor so I can pick it up today and replace the slipper springs. With the wheels here I can check out my center bore to see if I need wheel spacers on the next axle.

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I'm going to heed the advice from the more experienced folks here. I have to be in Denver on Nov 1 for a conference so we planned to hit at least one trail on the way back from Moab. What we will probably do is check with the locals and see what is passable at the time.

I have a set of Rubicon rock rails ready to go on. I know they are no where as strong as the Ace and other true sliders but I hope to not get into a place more then just using them for what they are, a rub rail.

I plan to have some steps like the Poison Spyder Rico or the Warrior Renegade welded to them. Give us a small step and some door protection. I have a call out to Warrior to see how much of a step they provide. I also have a local fab company quoting me a custom set welded on.

Got the trailer hooked up this morning to take some things to the landfill. My other leaf spring came in to Central Tractor so I can pick it up today and replace the slipper springs. With the wheels here I can check out my center bore to see if I need wheel spacers on the next axle.

Looks boss! With the leveling kit, you'll be sitting pretty. Your front will be a tad higher than mine (a good thing) because you are not running as heavy as I am (winch, lightbar, etc). Rubi rails will be plenty strong enough to drag over a rock. You are not going crawling where you have a chance of falling on a rock, so rubi rails are fine. Definitely check either here, or on the bushducks site to check status of trails. Many of the nice ones are a long drive away so it would suck driving all the way out there for nothing. I am sure that any of the 11K+ foot trails will be closed, at least past the 9000ft mark.
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Do yourself another favor and plastidip your front grill for the trip. No point of letting it get beaten to hell with rocks. If possible, a little mesh to keep the radiator from being pelted with rocks would also be great.
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Do yourself another favor and plastidip your front grill for the trip. No point of letting it get beaten to hell with rocks. If possible, a little mesh to keep the radiator from being pelted with rocks would also be great.
Thanks for the tip, I think I read about this on one of your threads. I have a spare grill already plastidipped and waiting to put on. It's so easy to change I've been running one or the other the last couple of weeks.

Also have some aluminum mesh screening to install this weekend.

I went to the landfill today and had to jump on the scales. Here's what the rig weighs unloaded except for a toilet. This is my JKU with the trailer attached.

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Thanks for the tip, I think I read about this on one of your threads. I have a spare grill already plastidipped and waiting to put on. It's so easy to change I've been running one or the other the last couple of weeks.

Also have some aluminum mesh screening to install this weekend.

I went to the landfill today and had to jump on the scales. Here's what the rig weighs unloaded except for a toilet. This is my JKU with the trailer attached.

I was gonna say wow my rig must weigh nearly 6000lbs but then I saw that it's with the trailer. How much do you think it weighs, 1000lbs?
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My guess is the trailer weighs under 750 pounds, probably closer to 600. It's all fiberglass and this is with the tonneau on it. Jeff may be able to tell us for sure.

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