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Old 07-29-2012, 06:53 PM   #1
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Exclamation Why you shouldn't off road alone!

Just got back from an awesome trail ride with GonzoBobH.

We were almost through the roughest part of the trail when we came across a vehicle, upside down, off the trail. in a stream bed.
It seems that just a short time before, someone in a Toyota (not sure of the model) miss-judged the trail width and rolled off the road.
We were getting ready to go searching for the people when a couple of Sherriff's Deputies came by on ATVs. They had come across the couple from the accident a mile down the road as they were walking out and had come by take pictures of their SUV for their reports.
Fortunately everyone is okay with only bruises. It would have been bad if someone had been seriously hurt and no one had come by. Bob and I were able to pass the area easly by one person standing in front and guiding the other through.

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On a side note, one of the deputies said to us "they should have been driving a Jeep".
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Wish I could have been there....oh wait, I was, haha. That's the first trail rollover I have seen, for sure.





Lesson of the day, as BM pointed out -- when in doubt, get out and get a ground guide. (Thanks, dude.)

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That's just STUPID. EVERYONE (well, apparently NOT everyone...) knows it's unsafe to go off-roading by yourself.

...and what scares me the most are that it was TWO people who were equally as stupid. I can't believe at least one of them didn't have the common sense to tell the other one, "Ya know, maybe we shouldn't do this alone."

I'm amazed their stupidity didn't kill them.
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That's just STUPID. EVERYONE (well, apparently NOT everyone...) knows it's unsafe to go off-roading by yourself.

...and what scares me the most are that it was TWO people who were equally as stupid. I can't believe at least one of them didn't have the common sense to tell the other one, "Ya know, maybe we shouldn't do this alone."

I'm amazed their stupidity didn't kill them.
I bet they forgot to air down as well.
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That's just STUPID. EVERYONE (well, apparently NOT everyone...) knows it's unsafe to go off-roading by yourself.

...and what scares me the most are that it was TWO people who were equally as stupid. I can't believe at least one of them didn't have the common sense to tell the other one, "Ya know, maybe we shouldn't do this alone."

I'm amazed their stupidity didn't kill them.
It was probably some stud wanting to inpress his girl.

"Hey y'all, hold my beer 'n check this out!"

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It was probably some stud wanting to inpress his girl.

"Hey y'all, hold my beer 'n check this out!"


Wow...that sucks. It hurt to watch. I was hoping he would get his foot off the gas...but just knew that he wouldn't. Ouch.

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It was probably some stud wanting to inpress his girl.

"Hey y'all, hold my beer 'n check this out!"

Yeah, more than likely.

And the Jeep driver...total dumbass. I think anyone (well, obviously not everyone...) would've had the common sense to get off the gas...
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That's just STUPID. EVERYONE (well, apparently NOT everyone...) knows it's unsafe to go off-roading by yourself.

...and what scares me the most are that it was TWO people who were equally as stupid. I can't believe at least one of them didn't have the common sense to tell the other one, "Ya know, maybe we shouldn't do this alone."

I'm amazed their stupidity didn't kill them.

as a newbie, my question is:

WHAT IS CONSIDERED WHEELING BY YOURSELF? That you are in the middle of absolutely nowhere and there isn't another car/atv/person within MILES of you? all my friends are into making their cars go fast so none of them offroad, so the couple times i've been out it was just me, the gf and our beagle but there were others around the forest, either on ATVs or in cars, so if something had gone wrong, someone would have found us within an hour max. figured that's pretty safe no?
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as a newbie, my question is:

WHAT IS CONSIDERED WHEELING BY YOURSELF? That you are in the middle of absolutely nowhere and there isn't another car/atv/person within MILES of you? all my friends are into making their cars go fast so none of them offroad, so the couple times i've been out it was just me, the gf and our beagle but there were others around the forest, either on ATVs or in cars, so if something had gone wrong, someone would have found us within an hour max. figured that's pretty safe no?
Wheeling "by yourself" would be when you're out there in ONE vehicle, which means if you, Fido, and Honey are all in the same vehicle, you're wheeling BY YOURSELF. If you're in one vehicle with Fido and Honey's in another vehicle, or Fido and Honey are in a another vehicle, that's NOT wheeling by yourself.
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as a newbie, my question is:

WHAT IS CONSIDERED WHEELING BY YOURSELF? That you are in the middle of absolutely nowhere and there isn't another car/atv/person within MILES of you? all my friends are into making their cars go fast so none of them offroad, so the couple times i've been out it was just me, the gf and our beagle but there were others around the forest, either on ATVs or in cars, so if something had gone wrong, someone would have found us within an hour max. figured that's pretty safe no?
As in, you need to be with at least one other vehicle. That way if something goes wrong with one vehicle, you can get back to civilization.
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As in, you need to be with at least one other vehicle. That way if something goes wrong with one vehicle, you can get back to civilization.
Yes, just in case you wind up like the f__tard in the above video who didn't know how to lay off the gas...
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I have seen this sort of thing more often than I care to think about. Some people believe that 4wd means they can never break down, never get stuck, and that the vehicle can never be damaged. Some think that alcohol adds to their off road driving prowess.

That Toyota was a very expensive tow out of there.
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As in, you need to be with at least one other vehicle. That way if something goes wrong with one vehicle, you can get back to civilization.
I agree, but what if there are others in the general area? Say it's a popular trail where you know others will be around... I think that should be just fine no?
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I agree, but what if there are others in the general area? Say it's a popular trail where you know others will be around... I think that should be just fine no?
I dunno, I just like going with another vehicle. What if you roll it, knock yourself unconscious, and no one else goes down the trail that day? Or if you get stuck you can get pulled out in minutes as opposed to trying to find someone. I've met a lot of people through local jeep events and clubs so finding another person to come with is never an issue. Do what you feel comfortable with though.
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I agree, but what if there are others in the general area? Say it's a popular trail where you know others will be around... I think that should be just fine no?
Not to be rude, but didn't Inverted Chaos and I just answer that question? It's starting to look like you just want approval from us to go wheeling on your own, or some type of justification to do it.

If you wanna go wheeling on your own, then go, but before you do, can you just make sure to add Inverted Chaos and I as beneficiaries for your life insurance check before you go?

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Wheeling "by yourself" would be when you're out there in ONE vehicle, which means if you, Fido, and Honey are all in the same vehicle, you're wheeling BY YOURSELF. If you're in one vehicle with Fido and Honey's in another vehicle, or Fido and Honey are in a another vehicle, that's NOT wheeling by yourself.
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I agree, but what if there are others in the general area? Say it's a popular trail where you know others will be around... I think that should be just fine no?
That's what the Army would categorize as poor Composite Risk Management. Basically, you are not using an active control measure...you're relying on a passive control measure...something completely out of your hands. What if it's a slow day? What if folks aren't wheeling the same part of the trail you are? What if they're just a-holes and don't stop? You get the idea...because you have no control over how and when you receive help, there is not active risk control and you are still wheeling alone.

"Two is One, One is NONE."

Honestly, your concern ought not even be getting stuck, necessarily...what about Medevac? You get yourself in a spot of trouble that requires medical attention without a working vehicle and you're asking for trouble. In the Army we have what's called the "Golden Hour." If you get appropriate and immediate First Aid, there is a good chance proper medical care can save your life if you make it into an ER in less than an hour. So, what if you're six miles from assistance, and however long from that assistance to an ER and you required immediate medical care? How fast can you carry someone six miles? Food for thought...
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Out West...

Y'know, I'm often hours away from help or fellow travelers ON THE ASPHALT!
Take a look at US 50, the Lincoln Highway, "the loneliest highway in the world" in Nevada (I guess the lonelier ones aren't true "highways"?).

The statements in the previous messages would dictate that I should also never ON-road "alone".

What if your buddy also breaks? Shouldn't we really travel in groups of three or more vehicles? With an offroad tow truck? And a helicopter?
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I guess if we live in a country that spends trillion$ to make us safe from a one-in-a-million happenstance, then our discomfort threshold is pretty low.
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It is a matter of comfort - informed comfort, though. Thanks to the previous posts for informing us.
If you're more comfortable parking your Jeep in a Jeep museum until the perfect Jeeping experience awaits, that's what you should do, but there's still no such thing as perfect safety.
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I still don't understand why I'm more cavalier when someone (that I should protect) is just riding with me with no other vehicles than I am when I'm completely alone and risking only my own paltry life.
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Y'know, I'm often hours away from help or fellow travelers ON THE ASPHALT!
Take a look at US 50, the Lincoln Highway, "the loneliest highway in the world" in Nevada (I guess the lonelier ones aren't true "highways"?).

The statements in the previous messages would dictate that I should also never ON-road "alone".

What if your buddy also breaks? Shouldn't we really travel in groups of three or more vehicles? With an offroad tow truck? And a helicopter?
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I guess if we live in a country that spends trillion$ to make us safe from a one-in-a-million happenstance, then our discomfort threshold is pretty low.
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It is a matter of comfort - informed comfort, though. Thanks to the previous posts for informing us.
If you're more comfortable parking your Jeep in a Jeep museum until the perfect Jeeping experience awaits, that's what you should do, but there's still no such thing as perfect safety.
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I still don't understand why I'm more cavalier when someone (that I should protect) is just riding with me with no other vehicles than I am when I'm completely alone and risking only my own paltry life.
I'd say the danger of highcentering, sending a rock through your oil pan, exploding the ring gear in an axle, burying your jeep in mud, hydrolocking, rolling off of a cliff, breaking an ankle from spotting, etc, is FAR less likely when you are on a paved interstate. But, like you said, it's about comfort. No one is telling you what to do.
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My suggestion: Start watching a lot of Bear Grylls and Cody Lundin. Theyll show you the proper way to eat worms and drink your own pee to survive if you do break down in the middle of nowhere
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My suggestion: Start watching a lot of Bear Grylls and Cody Lundin. Theyll show you the proper way to eat worms and drink your own pee to survive if you do break down in the middle of nowhere
Yeah, he'll even show ya how to squeeze the water out of an elephant turd if you get desperate for a drink!
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Just an experience, take from it what you like.
A couple years back I was in my partially built up 80 Yota, my buddy in his 2 door Wrangler. We were in our local offroading range when I had a driveshaft issue, actually I sheered the bolts holding my front driveshaft to my differential. Anyways, I didnt have enough bolts of the right size to get it back together. He left me there with my truck while he went into town, 30 minute drive 10 minutes to buy nuts and bolts and another hour to get back, it always takes longer to go up the mountain than to go down it. 3 Hours later he had still not returned, I was getting a little annoyed and super bored. Hadn't seen another soul since he left and it was hot. Finally he comes walking up the mountain, parts in hand. He had broke on the return trip, rear anti-sway bar, and with his limited off roading knowledge and his complete lack of mechanical skills did not know how to fix his problem. Luckily for him he was pretty low on the mountain and was able to catch a ride from a guy in a 2WD Durango as far as it could make it. He probably walked up hill about 2 miles. Sucker. Got it fixed as best I could and limped it down the mountain. We came across the 2WD Durango guys who were stuck in a little marshy area, we couldnt pull them out with my Yota and they jumped in the bed of my truck. Got to the Jeep, fixed that with a couple of tow straps and hit some pavement where we both called for a tow. He wasn't willing to drive his Jeep with a broken anti sway bar and I couldn't drive my truck more then 10 miles per hour. Anyways, very long story short, never wheel alone, unless you are willing and able to survive alone.
By the way, that was a good day of wheeling.
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Wish I could have been there....oh wait, I was, haha. That's the first trail rollover I have seen, for sure.





Lesson of the day, as BM pointed out -- when in doubt, get out and get a ground guide. (Thanks, dude.)
Thems some mighty perty tires they got there....

Pitty they were 6-lug. Just say'n....

No apparent scrapes on the rock-rails. no mud in the wheel for the spare. My guess is first timer / drug store cowboy.

Im no pro...but dont pretend to be, either.
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Surviving Alone

True. true. Out West we carry a LOT more water off road than on US 50.
I can eat lizards but the elephant poop out here is pretty dry.

Guess it's hard to think of just waiting a week to get rescued as a true safety issue. We don't hate roof racks out West.

Maybe I'll have to learn the hard way the truth of the old biker saying, if I may paraphrase, "There are bold Jeepers and there are old Jeepers, but there are no old, bold Jeepers." Hey, you guys got me thinking so hard I'm adopting the motto.

Then again, everybody from the photos and stories made it out okay. Too bad about the vehicle damage but additional vehicles wouldn't have prevented that.
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Then again, everybody from the photos and stories made it out okay. Too bad about the vehicle damage but additional vehicles wouldn't have prevented that.
I hear NASA are currently working on a prevention for stupidity.
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just like hunting, camping or anything else that you enjoy by yourself or dont have anyone that is into your activity at least let others know where you will be and when you will be back..you can never be too safe ...and i understand about alone time while off roading...i live in the backwoods of ky and to some our driveway would be a need another buddy in his 4 wheeldrive situation..lol
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Ah the debate rages on... We go out, alone, a lot . We have for decades.. We are both 50 something's, and in very good health, and we have plenty of cells between our ears... Two years ago in Moab we visited with a couple in their 80 series Landcruiser, German plates, 33" rubber, 3" lift, snorkel, and a diesel tdi, etc etc.. They were on a five year tour around the world,,, drove from Germany to India, shipped to Australia, spent a year there, outback, and all, shipped to Argentina, drove to Moab where we met them.. They were spending 3 months in the 4 corners region, as they were winding their way north using many sections of the Great Western Trail to end up in Alaska 10 months later for the summer,, then east to Halifax, and then ship home to Germany.. All alone... Quite an inspiration for my wife and I, as we plan on Alaska one day, after we have explored much of the western lower 48... Foolish? I think not. Adventurous? Definitely....

Proper gear, proper safety equipment and kit, personal locator beacon, topo maps, old fashioned compass, CB radio, tools, spare parts, winter gear, etc etc... the list is huge of the things we carry on board, along with enough food and water to last at least 7 days,, two weeks if we must ration.. And appointment times to call our family.. We have a blast doing it, and we have a blast without being stupid about it... Stupidity will kill you... However, on occasion, we do go out with others, and have just as much fun doing that as well.. So really,,, if you're careful, treat your equipment and yourself with respect, keep your equipment maintained, and have the good sense to turn back when you should,, who's gonna get ya? The boogeyman ???
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Ah the debate rages on... We go out, alone, a lot . We have for decades.. We are both 50 something's, and in very good health, and we have plenty of cells between our ears... Two years ago in Moab we visited with a couple in their 80 series Landcruiser, German plates, 33" rubber, 3" lift, snorkel, and a diesel tdi, etc etc.. They were on a five year tour around the world,,, drove from Germany to India, shipped to Australia, spent a year there, outback, and all, shipped to Argentina, drove to Moab where we met them.. They were spending 3 months in the 4 corners region, as they were winding their way north using many sections of the Great Western Trail to end up in Alaska 10 months later for the summer,, then east to Halifax, and then ship home to Germany.. All alone... Quite an inspiration for my wife and I, as we plan on Alaska one day, after we have explored much of the western lower 48... Foolish? I think not. Adventurous? Definitely....

Proper gear, proper safety equipment and kit, personal locator beacon, topo maps, old fashioned compass, CB radio, tools, spare parts, winter gear, etc etc... the list is huge of the things we carry on board, along with enough food and water to last at least 7 days,, two weeks if we must ration.. And appointment times to call our family.. We have a blast doing it, and we have a blast without being stupid about it... Stupidity will kill you... However, on occasion, we do go out with others, and have just as much fun doing that as well.. So really,,, if you're careful, treat your equipment and yourself with respect, keep your equipment maintained, and have the good sense to turn back when you should,, who's gonna get ya? The boogeyman ???
How harsh are the excursions you're going on? Are you doing serious wheeling or are you basically just climbing up a few light trails to the top of a mountain?
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How harsh are the excursions you're going on? Are you doing serious wheeling or are you basically just climbing up a few light trails to the top of a mountain?
It ranges from easy trail rides to really technical stuff.. Up in Canada it's mostly trail riding with the occasional mud , or off camber obstacles,, rocky mountains, whatever it takes, and Moab, my favorite place, can be a bit of everything,, 3 ft of water in salt creek, to very technical stuff up, over or around slick rock, deep sand, etc... I've some vids on YouTube using rubicondon04.. Bottom line,, I don't push the envelope too hard, I ask my jeep to do only what I know that it can..
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It ranges from easy trail rides to really technical stuff.. Up in Canada it's mostly trail riding with the occasional mud , or off camber obstacles,, rocky mountains, whatever it takes, and Moab, my favorite place, can be a bit of everything,, 3 ft of water in salt creek, to very technical stuff up, over or around slick rock, deep sand, etc... I've some vids on YouTube using rubicondon04.. Bottom line,, I don't push the envelope too hard, I ask my jeep to do only what I know that it can..
Cool, I'll check out the vids.

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