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Old 04-05-2014, 08:08 PM   #331
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I'm looking to upgrade my own M100 tarp. I had an old scrap that was almost the right size, and just put grommets in for tie downs.

In using my scrap it has become obvious the material is just too old & isn't holding the grommets very well.

I'm looking to build something along the lines of your sample with the drawstring above, although on tarps there are a lot of alternate ways to secure them. I've been experimenting with a variety of bungie arrangments along with various ropes. Vertical expandability of the tarp is handy for some loads, while often the basic top footprint of the trailer is adequate. I'm working to find what size tarp works better most often for the adaptive sizes I sometimes want, without having to put up with a 'too big' or 'too small' tarp size. I don't like having a wad of extra bungies laying around, or too long a rope. Ah, design!!!


It's surprisingly difficult to chose between the qualities I want in my own tarp, as well as keeping the cost down.

There's a lot of mil.surp tarps that are way heavier than my need.

I'm looking for khaki/olive drab rather than camo pattern.

Your plentiful ideas are marvelous & I appreciate the photo stories you've posted.

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Old 04-05-2014, 08:19 PM   #332
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I'm looking to upgrade my own M100 tarp. I had an old scrap that was almost the right size, and just put grommets in for tie downs.

In using my scrap it has become obvious the material is just too old & isn't holding the grommets very well.

I'm looking to build something along the lines of your sample with the drawstring above, although on tarps there are a lot of alternate ways to secure them. I've been experimenting with a variety of bungie arrangments along with various ropes. Vertical expandability of the tarp is handy for some loads, while often the basic top footprint of the trailer is adequate. I'm working to find what size tarp works better most often for the adaptive sizes I sometimes want, without having to put up with a 'too big' or 'too small' tarp size. I don't like having a wad of extra bungies laying around, or too long a rope. Ah, design!!!


It's surprisingly difficult to chose between the qualities I want in my own tarp, as well as keeping the cost down.

There's a lot of mil.surp tarps that are way heavier than my need.

I'm looking for khaki/olive drab rather than camo pattern.

Your plentiful ideas are marvelous & I appreciate the photo stories you've posted.
I plan to do the sewing on the tarp tomorrow, when I finish it I'll post photos. Stay tuned.

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More on the cover plan...

I plan to use boat cover bows to support the tarp cover, so I'll need to have some sockets mounted to the tub to support the bows. Because I'm just doing this cover as a project to learn sewing, I probably won't use this tarp much after I sew it and test it, so I don't really want to drill holes in the tub to mount the sockets.

So I made up some push-on socket brackets. They're just a piece of sheet metal bent in a "u" shape; the sockets are pop-riveted to them, and there's foam weatherstrip inside the "u" to prevent scratching the paint on the tub and to give them a snug fit over the top rail of the tub.



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I'm getting ready to sew up my tarp cover, but before I do I made up the bows for the cover. These go in the removable bow sockets I just posted. Of course I'll have to take the hard cover off before I can put the tarp cover on...

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Old 04-06-2014, 02:56 PM   #335
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I sewed the test cover for the trailer this morning. The pattern worked out very well, it fits great.







Next I'll take it out for a spin to see how it performs on the road...

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Old 04-19-2014, 07:20 PM   #336
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Awesome build! Just have a question do u need to adopt a son? If so I'm in. Ha ha. Great work!
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:00 AM   #337
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This was posted on the Dinoot Facebook page yesterday:
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A Dinoot M-Series heading for its new home in California. This is a tailgate version with tonneau cover, 3500 axle, 5 on 5 hubs and Lock 'N Roll hitch. It will be getting painted matching desert sand shortly.
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Old 04-24-2014, 04:03 PM   #338
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I'm getting ready to sew up my tarp cover, but before I do I made up the bows for the cover. These go in the removable bow sockets I just posted. Of course I'll have to take the hard cover off before I can put the tarp cover on...

Are the bows made from marine plywood or what is that?
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Are the bows made from marine plywood or what is that?
I made the bows from 5/16" x 1 1/2" oak.
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Old 06-01-2014, 01:31 PM   #340
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I want one, how much and when can I get it!! You do some amazing work! Where in NY are you , I'm from oyster bay.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:06 PM   #341
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I want one, how much and when can I get it!! You do some amazing work! Where in NY are you , I'm from oyster bay.
Thank you.

The military trailer tub kit is available at www.dinoot.com.

I'm from a different NY than you... the upstate Finger Lakes region - Elmira .
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We are getting ever so close to order one but the last few days I get this message when trying to go to their site? Is it just me or is there a problem with their site??

Fatal error: Class 'JLog' not found in /home3/chaney92/public_html/www.dinoot.com/libraries/joomla/error/error.php on line 352
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:29 AM   #343
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We are getting ever so close to order one but the last few days I get this message when trying to go to their site? Is it just me or is there a problem with their site??

Fatal error: Class 'JLog' not found in /home3/chaney92/public_html/www.dinoot.com/libraries/joomla/error/error.php on line 352
I just tried and got the same error. I sent them an email to report the problem, I'm sure they'll get on it right away.

In the meantime, if you want to email them, you can use scott@cttct.com, the person is Scott Chaney. Great guy to deal with.
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I just tried and got the same error. I sent them an email to report the problem, I'm sure they'll get on it right away.

In the meantime, if you want to email them, you can use scott@cttct.com, the person is Scott Chaney. Great guy to deal with.
I heard back from Scott, he said he expects the site to be fixed by this evening.
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I heard back from Scott, he said he expects the site to be fixed by this evening.
Thanks for the info.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:48 PM   #346
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I am seriously considering setting up something like this for my honeymoon. I wish someone just sold a kit that was everything needed.

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I am seriously considering setting up something like this for my honeymoon. I wish someone just sold a kit that was everything needed.

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Contact Scott at Compact Camping, they sell the fiberglass tub kits, but also sell welded frames, roof-top tents, etc., so they can probably set you up with a custom "kit" designed specifically to your needs. Scott's at scott@cttct.com and his web site for the trailer kits is Jeep Trailer Dinoot Lightweight Fiberglass Tub Kit Dinoot Trailers - Dinoot Trailers Dinoot Trailers
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Contact Scott at Compact Camping, they sell the fiberglass tub kits, but also sell welded frames, roof-top tents, etc., so they can probably set you up with a custom "kit" designed specifically to your needs. Scott's at scott@cttct.com and his web site for the trailer kits is Jeep Trailer Dinoot Lightweight Fiberglass Tub Kit Dinoot Trailers - Dinoot Trailers Dinoot Trailers
I emailed info@dinoot.com hopefully they will be able to set me up. I am all for the DIY thing but I am unsure of the time constraints involved in setting one up. Can you comment on your total time investment from stat to finish?
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I emailed info@dinoot.com hopefully they will be able to set me up. I am all for the DIY thing but I am unsure of the time constraints involved in setting one up. Can you comment on your total time investment from stat to finish?
I'm probably not the best one to ask that question because I designed the tub kit, made the molds, made the first set of fiberglass parts, and then assembled them into the trailer you see in this thread. Scott's got experience assembling them himself and the experience of his customers, so he can give you a much more accurate estimate than I could.

BTW Scott can do a kit to any state of assembly that makes sense for you - complete unassembled kit, fully assembled and ready-to-roll, or somewhere in between as your time, skills and budget dictates.
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I'm probably not the best one to ask that question because I designed the tub kit, made the molds, made the first set of fiberglass parts, and then assembled them into the trailer you see in this thread. Scott's got experience assembling them himself and the experience of his customers, so he can give you a much more accurate estimate than I could. BTW Scott can do a kit to any state of assembly that makes sense for you - complete unassembled kit, fully assembled and ready-to-roll, or somewhere in between as your time, skills and budget dictates.
Ah so your time investment would surpass the average by a good bit.

Ps you asked about my skills.......lefty tighty righty loosey correct?
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Ah so your time investment would surpass the average by a good bit.

Ps you asked about my skills.......lefty tighty righty loosey correct?
Scott's your man... tell him how to what level of completeness you want the kit built and he'll get it done for you.
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:59 PM   #352
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After lurking this project here and on the other forums for quite some time, I can't stand it any longer and am going to get started!

Not gonna be able to do the project all at once, but at least start with the frame, then move up to the tub later. First things first.....

HF lists two different 1720# trailers...the one that your project is based on, (94564) and another one that has the exact same description and price (69897). Do you know if there is any difference? I am thinking they are just different sku's for the same product..but thought I'd ask. I will most likely call HF to see if they know.

Shy of re-reading the entire thread(s) for the 100th + time (here and on the other forums) looking for the post with the info, can you tell me off the top of your head what the final backspace clearance is for the hub face to frame when the trailer is modified per your instructions? (sans spacer/adapter)

I want to fit 255/75 R17s on it to match up with my stock aluminum Sahara wheels and am curious if the 1.25 spacer/adapters will be enough, or if I need to go bigger; I have see 1.5" ones out on the web.

Other than these questions, you have given me a heck of a lot of confidence and insight to get into a project like this.....THANKS JScherb!!!!!
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After lurking this project here and on the other forums for quite some time, I can't stand it any longer and am going to get started!

Not gonna be able to do the project all at once, but at least start with the frame, then move up to the tub later. First things first.....

HF lists two different 1720# trailers...the one that your project is based on, (94564) and another one that has the exact same description and price (69897). Do you know if there is any difference? I am thinking they are just different sku's for the same product..but thought I'd ask. I will most likely call HF to see if they know.
I believe both trailer frames are the same, HF often has two different SKU's for the same item. I always assumed it was because they had two different suppliers for those items and wanted to be able to trace problems back to the correct supplier, but that's just an assumption on my part, I don't know for sure.

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Shy of re-reading the entire thread(s) for the 100th + time (here and on the other forums) looking for the post with the info, can you tell me off the top of your head what the final backspace clearance is for the hub face to frame when the trailer is modified per your instructions? (sans spacer/adapter)

I want to fit 255/75 R17s on it to match up with my stock aluminum Sahara wheels and am curious if the 1.25 spacer/adapters will be enough, or if I need to go bigger; I have see 1.5" ones out on the web.
I can measure the WMS-frame distance for you tomorrow morning, I'm not where the trailer is right now.

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Other than these questions, you have given me a heck of a lot of confidence and insight to get into a project like this.....THANKS JScherb!!!!!
As you go through the project, if you've got any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I'll do my best to answer and help.
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Thank you Jeff! I am really looking forward to this!

I am getting my kids (6 & 8) into camping...even though S. Florida doesn't offer too much in the way of expeditions, we are starting to frequent the State Parks; by the time they get used to longer rides, the Ocala Nat. Forrest, Georgia and the Carolina outer banks are in my sights! This will be an awesome support accessory

Maybe even get them up to PA where I hail from
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Thank you Jeff! I am really looking forward to this!

I am getting my kids (6 & 8) into camping...even though S. Florida doesn't offer too much in the way of expeditions, we are starting to frequent the State Parks; by the time they get used to longer rides, the Ocala Nat. Forrest, Georgia and the Carolina outer banks are in my sights! This will be an awesome support accessory

Maybe even get them up to PA where I hail from
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With the frame modified to fit under the military tub, there is about 7.5" from the wheel mounting surface on the hub to the outside edge of the frame.

If you've got any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.
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With the frame modified to fit under the military tub, there is about 7.5" from the wheel mounting surface on the hub to the outside edge of the frame.

If you've got any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Thank you for taking the time to measure this, Mr, Scherb!

My backspace is a tad over 7", so I am going to go with 2" spacer/adapters to give me a little extra clearance. Hopefully that is enough? I don't know how much travel the axle will have when the springs flex....
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Thank you for taking the time to measure this, Mr, Scherb!

My backspace is a tad over 7", so I am going to go with 2" spacer/adapters to give me a little extra clearance. Hopefully that is enough? I don't know how much travel the axle will have when the springs flex....
If you're telling me that it's 7" from the mounting surface of your wheels to the sidewall where it would rub on the frame, using 2" spacers would give you 2.5" of clearance from the frame to the sidewall, which is more than you need.

On a trailer, unlike a Jeep, the axle doesn't articulate much out of parallel with the frame, so you don't need as much clearance on a trailer as you do on a vehicle.

Using 1.5" spacers will be more than enough; 1.25" would be fine too.

Whatever extra distance you put between the frame and the sidewall you'll need to pay for in wider fenders too .
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If you're telling me that it's 7" from the mounting surface of your wheels to the sidewall where it would rub on the frame, using 2" spacers would give you 2.5" of clearance from the frame to the sidewall, which is more than you need.

On a trailer, unlike a Jeep, the axle doesn't articulate much out of parallel with the frame, so you don't need as much clearance on a trailer as you do on a vehicle.

Using 1.5" spacers will be more than enough; 1.25" would be fine too.

Whatever extra distance you put between the frame and the sidewall you'll need to pay for in wider fenders too .

Thanks Jeff, I really appreciate your responses; Again, you prove yourself a font of knowledge!



One last follow up on this topic? with the 1.25" spacers you used, was the "stance" of the trailer's wheels the same as the Jeep? In other words, do the trailer's wheels/tires/axle combo end up narrower, the same width or wider than the Jeep wheel's 'stance'?

I don't mind needing wider fenders, but want the overall 'aesthetic' of the Jeep and trailer combo to look 'balanced'. i.e. the wheels/tires on the Jeep the same width apart as the trailers....(my type A personality showing thru)

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Thanks Jeff, I really appreciate your responses; Again, you prove yourself a font of knowledge!



One last follow up on this topic? with the 1.25" spacers you used, was the "stance" of the trailer's wheels the same as the Jeep? In other words, do the trailer's wheels/tires/axle combo end up narrower, the same width or wider than the Jeep wheel's 'stance'?

I don't mind needing wider fenders, but want the overall 'aesthetic' of the Jeep and trailer combo to look 'balanced'. i.e. the wheels/tires on the Jeep the same width apart as the trailers....(my type A personality showing thru)

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Don,
With Moab rims on both my LJ and my military trailer, the track on the Jeep is 59" and the track on the trailer is 58". They are visually identical, you can't tell the difference unless you measure both as I just did .
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Awesome! I am not too productive at work today...chomping at the bit for quitting time so I can head to HF

I will start my own thread as I get going, so as not to hijack yours.

Thanks!

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