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Old 05-24-2013, 08:16 AM   #151
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Jeff your designs are amazing. Wish I were comfortable with doing the fiberglass part...

This may be kind of basic, but have you ever thought of building the sides to match the dimensions of say a truck bed? Camper shells are cheap and easy to find used and would make a nice top enclosure for people on a budget. With your talent, you could probably make one that looks great.

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Old 05-24-2013, 08:42 AM   #152
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Jeff your designs are amazing. Wish I were comfortable with doing the fiberglass part...

This may be kind of basic, but have you ever thought of building the sides to match the dimensions of say a truck bed? Camper shells are cheap and easy to find used and would make a nice top enclosure for people on a budget. With your talent, you could probably make one that looks great.
I've been focused on smaller trailers that could easily be pulled by a Jeep and could follow the Jeep on a trail. A full-size pickup bed be would be wider than a Jeep and perhaps not such a good trail toy behind the Jeep. And wouldn't you just use a scrap pickup bed from the junkyard if you wanted to build one of those? My local U-Pull junkyard sells truck beds for $245, that's a lot cheaper than a fiberglass kit might cost.

I have done some camper designs and a prototype to fit on top of my Jeep-tub trailer, I think those could be very practical. Here's a prototype I made from the same molds that make my Safari Cab hardtop for the Jeep:





And here's a teardrop concept that could go on top of a Jeep-tub trailer:


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Old 05-24-2013, 10:20 AM   #153
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Continuing the comparison photos from the other day, here's the M72 prototype compared to a very nicely restored M416.

The tongue of my prototype is longer, which is a good place to put both jerry cans and a storage box. On this original, the owner has put a jerry can on the side. Also the original has a canvas tarp which ties on; the M72 prototype has a snap-on tonneau cover. You could put an original-style tarp on the fiberglass trailer, but you really can't beat the convenience of a modern snap-type tonneau cover.



The tailgate and tongue length are the main differences in the photos below.



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Old 05-27-2013, 09:20 AM   #154
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This being Memorial Day, for lots of people this is the first long weekend for some camping, so I decided to mock up the M72 as a camper today .

The tent is just supported on some 2-by wood laying across the top edges of the tub in these photos, but the reason I threw the tent on there now is to think about the reinforcements in the cover that will be needed in the cover to properly support the tent.









The tent is a "Safari style" tent unit offered by Compact Camping: Roof Top Tents turn your car , truck or trailer into a Tent Topped Camping Trailer!
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:25 AM   #155
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:58 AM   #156
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It's official - a company has now signed up to manufacture and market the military tub kit! It's not my place to reveal the name of the company, they plan on making an announcement later this week.

I can tell you this is a company known for their expertise will small trailers and campers and off-road camping. This company will do a great job with this kit! This week I'll be packing up the mold masters to deliver to them so they can begin making their production molds. They are planning availability of the kit sometime this summer.

Stay tuned, I'll reveal more information as I'm permitted.
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That is awesome. You deserve a lot of thanks for bringing this to life. Cant wait to see the announcement!
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:12 PM   #158
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That is awesome dude, thank you for all this work!
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:53 PM   #159
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I like this more and more, can't wait for more details. I just hope this "expertise" company are not going to ask big $$$$ for this kit. That will be a big downer.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:01 PM   #160
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I like this more and more, can't wait for more details. I just hope this "expertise" company are not going to ask big $$$$ for this kit. That will be a big downer.
Their goal is the same as mine - to keep the price as low as possible so that the kit can be accessible to as many DIY-ers as possible.

I've designed this kit to be as simple as possible to mold, so it can be manufactured at the lowest cost possible. I've also designed it to ship UPS Ground to keep shipping costs as low as possible.

Pricing for my fiberglass Jeep-tub trailer kit project, which was licensed by a company and has been on the market for a year now, is at Dinoot Trailers - Dinoot Jeep Trailers. The pricing of that kit is no guarantee of the pricing for this kit, but just for comparison, the Jeep-tub kit consists of 6 fiberglass parts (7 if you also buy a fiberglass tailgate with the kit), while the military tub kit consists of only 4 fiberglass parts (5 if you buy a fiberglass tailgate with the kit). So you could use the Jeep-tub kit pricing to make your own estimate about what the pricing might be for the military tub kit .
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It appears that Dinoot has already made a subtle announcement. Dinoot Trailers - Model Line Up
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Is it possible that jscherb is licensing the designs to his own company, and using this forum to garner interest in the development of these trailers?
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:16 PM   #163
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Is it possible that jscherb is licensing the designs to his own company, and using this forum to garner interest in the development of these trailers?
No, it is not possible. I am not employed by any company, nor do I own any company. My career in high tech has afforded me the ability to retire very young and pursue my hobbies and other interests. I do these projects as a hobby only. And I have licensed my designs to several different companies, not just the one that's licensing this trailer.

And BTW if I told you how little I license these designs for, you'd say I'm nuts for letting them go so cheaply. My philosophy about these projects is that my reward is seeing people enjoy using them, and the best way for me to enable that is to make sure my "cut" is very small so the retail price doesn't get inflated unnecessarily.
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Jscherb, please don't let me offend, as I am a big fan and have followed all of your builds starting with your cherry red "retro" jeep truck. It just appears too coincidental that several of your trailers are licensed with Dinoot. The model page on the website is very much your style of writing, etc.

At any rate, I look forward to following whatever concept you come with next.
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Jscherb, please don't let me offend, as I am a big fan and have followed all of your builds starting with your cherry red "retro" jeep truck. It just appears too coincidental that several of your trailers are licensed with Dinoot. The model page on the website is very much your style of writing, etc.

At any rate, I look forward to following whatever concept you come with next.
I don't have anything to do with what appears on the Dinoot web site. My photos are all online, so the folks there are free use whatever photos they like, and if the writing is similar, they may be deriving their text in part from my posts, I don't know. The only involvement I have with their web site is that I do read it once in a while and if I find a typo occasionally, I report it to them, like tonight I noticed the camper at the bottom if their Model Lineup Page was labelled as a "Hardside Mirco Camper" instead of "Micro", so I reported that to them .

I have no plans for being an employee of any company ever again, nor do I have any interest in owning a company. Doing projects like this as employment would take all the fun out of it for me .

My Safari Cab hardtop design (shown below), BTW, is licensed to Gr8Tops, as is my Exogate large spare carrier/tailgate reinforcement. Two products with Gr8Tops...

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Ok, I was just checking! Great work on all the builds. Every day new stuff is created on this Jeep platform, but yet your stuff stands out above the rest. Here's to living the dream with your hobby!
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Ok, I was just checking! Great work on all the builds. Every day new stuff is created on this Jeep platform, but yet your stuff stands out above the rest. Here's to living the dream with your hobby!
Thank you very much.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:40 AM   #168
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Jscherb, please don't let me offend, as I am a big fan and have followed all of your builds starting with your cherry red "retro" jeep truck. It just appears too coincidental that several of your trailers are licensed with Dinoot. The model page on the website is very much your style of writing, etc.

At any rate, I look forward to following whatever concept you come with next.
Upstate New York to Salem, Oregon. That some commute he has. Don't question his motives, whether or not he has an interest in this company is moot. The man is a designing genius and is bringing awesome concepts to reality and market.
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For my tent mockup photos, as I said I had the tent setting on some 2-by wood lying across the top edge of the tub, but the tent could easily be mounted on the trailer even without the fiberglass hard cover (or a DIY-built wooden cover), by attaching rack bars to the tub:



Thule rack bars on tall stanchions can be mounted to "fake rain gutter" plates bolted to the sides of the tub. Then the snap-on tonneau cover goes underneath for weatherproof protection and easy access for the cargo inside the trailer.

The rack bar approach is a good one if you plan to use the trailer for multiple purposes - remove the tent from the rack bars and you could put your kayaks on the rack bars, or bring plywood home from the lumberyard on them. Remove the rack bars and you've got full access to the bed for tall cargo.

Or the tent could be mounted on the fiberglass hard cover I've got planned...



Or an easy-to-build DIY plywood cover:

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Upstate New York to Salem, Oregon. That some commute he has. Don't question his motives, whether or not he has an interest in this company is moot. The man is a designing genius and is bringing awesome concepts to reality and market.
Oh puhleeezze... thank you but no I'm not a genius. Just a guy with too much time on his hands who likes designing and building new things .
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Oh puhleeezze... thank you but no I'm not a genius. Just a guy with too much time on his hands who likes designing and building new things .
I beg to differ. You have incredible insight. Ok, enough of this online love affair. Lol. Can't wait for the kit to become available.
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I beg to differ. You have incredible insight. Ok, enough of this online love affair. Lol. Can't wait for the kit to become available.
Well thank you very much .

I'm anxious to see it get into the hands of people so I can see how they build and outfit it for their own needs, I really enjoy watching custom builds based on my designs. The kits should be on the market this summer sometime if everything goes as planned for the company I've licensed the kit to.
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The company that's licensed the military trailer kit from me has posted some information on pricing and availability in my main build thread on the Trailer Adventuring Forum: Fiberglass M416/M100 Military-style Trailer Tub Kit. They also tell me they'll be updating their web site either Friday or Saturday with more details.

On a related note, I shipped the mold masters to them today so they can begin making their production molds.
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Wow, that's way more than I expected!!! Bummer, I was really wanting to build one of these.....
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Wow, that's way more than I expected!!! Bummer, I was really wanting to build one of these.....
I agree 1000. No frame, paint etc just the tub.
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It would be awesome to be able to just buy the tub.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:36 AM   #177
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It would be awesome to be able to just buy the tub.
The kit consists of just the tub. You'll be able to buy it from them in several configurations - a tub with two solid end panels (like the original M100/M416 tubs), with one tailgate opening (tailgate optional, buy one from them or supply your own), or with two tailgate openings (again, buy your tailgates from them or supply your own).

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That pricing doesn't seem too bad to me. My problem is lack of a good area to paint it, a compressor, and paint gun. I really don't want to rattle can something like this. Of course the paint on real military trailers is pretty iffy any way so what difference woulsd it make.
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That pricing doesn't seem too bad to me. My problem is lack of a good area to paint it, a compressor, and paint gun. I really don't want to rattle can something like this. Of course the paint on real military trailers is pretty iffy any way so what difference woulsd it make.
I agree, I wouldn't recommend rattle cans if you're trying to achieve a glossy automotive-quality finish on something this large, that would be pretty much impossible to achieve with rattle cans. But if you're doing a flat or matte olive drab or camo finish, you can do a very credible job with rattle cans, especially with a camo scheme.

The interior could also be flat or matte rattle can paint, or you could do a roller-applied bed liner finish. There's no reason the Raptor tintable bed liner that I used couldn't be applied with a roller for excellent results.
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One more thing from my camping mockup... the angular fenders make great places to attach tables.







The board is 20" wide x 48" long, so with the 13" width of this fender, the table is just over 5' long.

For this mockup I just rested the board on some clamps on the lip of the fender and my camera tripod, but a really nice solution would be the side table hardware offered by Compact Camping, check it out: Camping Box Side Table Compact Camping Trailers Table Explorer Box



I expect most people would be putting "Jeep style" fenders on their trailers like the ones pictured below; the table hardware I linked to above should be compatible with those fenders as well.


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