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Old 08-16-2013, 09:30 AM   #1
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20" wheel on a 2013

So my sister is convinced she needs to put a 20" wheel on her new jeep. I am assuming I need to lift it, so my questions are these?
How much lift?
What backspace?
How big of a tire?
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No lift needed depending on tire size.
4.5 backspacing or less
33's will fit without any mods. (You'll have to do your own research for what size tire though...there isnt much threads in the wf archive for 20" tire sizes.)

Side note: 20's??
-not recommended
-very heavy (not meant for jeeps...more strain on components)
-Expect a heftier price on wheels/tires
-expect to lose that offroad status (those 20's will get banged up really quick offroad)

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I would tell your 'sister' that she has the wrong vehicle for 20s
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Why stop at 20"?? go with 30" and lower it! Cut the fender wells and install hydraulics!
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Tell her I'll buy/trader her Oscar Mike rims! Since she's getting 20s, she won't need them.

275/55-20 is close to stock height and a bit wider.
20x8 - 20x9 rim (4.5" rear spacing or less)
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She isn't trying to make it a dub machine guys, they make a pretty good variety of off road tires now for 20" wheels since almost every factory truck has 20's...
After looking at some options I think 18's are a better choice for her, was just looking for some info on lift, backspace, etc..
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Does she realize how much more expensive the 18's are over the 17's.

The picture is kind of small, but is that a Pontiac wagon?
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Old 08-19-2013, 04:26 PM   #8
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Hey I just posted a set of 5 Procomp 35's tires with Fuel 20" wheels. On craigslist. If you are near the pacific northwet, i have the deal for her..


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I can't think of many things more mis-matched than those 20's and a Rubicon.

Very little sidewall flex, very expensive tires, very expensive wheels. Basically, all show and no go. In other words, a poor match for a Jeep that is designed to claw its way through tough conditions with low gears, air down and conform to the terrain.

But if your goal is showing off in town, they may be just the ticket. Cool. Right on!!
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She isn't trying to build an offroad vehicle to do any climbing or serious off-roading... She wants something she drives to the work and looks good, and maybe does some minor mudding on the weekend..
If 20's seem to be out of the question, what about 18's?
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And yes it is a 1956 Pontiac Safari wagon, it's been my race car for the past two years.
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If she wants 20" rims on her jeep, then she should have them. No lift needed. Lots of good looking A/T tires available. I had Cooper Zeon LTZ's on my 4wd Yukon in a 275/55/20 and they were great. Almost any chick in a jeep is a good thing anyway!
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Just a bunch of haters when it comes to 20" rims, my thoughts, it's because they can't afford the big bill that comes with Big boy rims and tires!! The jeep comes stock with 18" rims so if your enlarging your tires to 35" or above I don't see the issue with enlarging your rims by 2". I did a 3.5" rough country lift, 4:56 gears (New front carrier and Procal to reprogram) and 20" hostage wheels (-44mm offset) with 35" Nitto trail grappler tires. Everything cost me just under $5400.00 (I did the lift myself) and I get nothing but compliments from everyone that sees it, especially Jeep owners. IT IS NOT a mall crawler, I off-road the shit out of this thing!!

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She isn't trying to make it a dub machine guys
I literally lold when I read dub machine
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and I get nothing but compliments from everyone that sees it, especially Jeep owners. IT IS NOT a mall crawler, I off-road the shit out of this thing!!

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Of course...cus that's why we build 'em in the first place: to get *compliments* from everyone that see's them! NOT! That crap looks like the proverbial 3 dollar bill to the max! About as ghey as you can get, without spinners....
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Just a bunch of haters when it comes to 20" rims, my thoughts, it's because they can't afford the big bill that comes with Big boy rims and tires!! The jeep comes stock with 18" rims so if your enlarging your tires to 35" or above I don't see the issue with enlarging your rims by 2". I did a 3.5" rough country lift, 4:56 gears (New front carrier and Procal to reprogram) and 20" hostage wheels (-44mm offset) with 35" Nitto trail grappler tires. Everything cost me just under $5400.00 (I did the lift myself) and I get nothing but compliments from everyone that sees it, especially Jeep owners. IT IS NOT a mall crawler, I off-road the shit out of this thing!!

Maybe some of your thoughts are just silly & wrong And I don't think most of us are haters or broke around here..were talking 30K+ rigs I have no issues with 20's on something like a 40" tire, but 20's on 37's or smaller create a disadvantage off-road, but I'm sure you know this since you off-road the shit out of yours. I'm glad you get compliments.. I'm sure everyone is impressed with your rough country lift You might be one heck of a nice guy, but you sure came off like an a-hole in this post
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^^ you're right because all of the people in these forums that bash 20's all day long are just angels. It's just like people who drive 2 doors that I see constantly bashing 4 doors, calling them grocery getters and soccer mom cars. I loved all jeeps before I saw that but I've realized not everyone in the Jeep community is nice to all jeep owners, just ones who agree with what they think. Th, Cj, jk, 4 door, 2 door, 15, 18, 20 inch rims, who cares. OP get what you like and thinks looks good, I was just showing you mine so you could get an idea, I didn't bash anyone's jeep like all the first few people did, but I'm the A-hole, funny!!
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Nobody is an A-hole because they got 20" wheels....or anything else out of the ordinary on their Jeep...it's your vehicle and you have the right to do what you want. But there are many who feel the vehicle is an off-road rig and putting "bling" like 20" wheels on it, that serve no useful purpose and offer nothing except good bait for "compliments" is just plain ole dumb....do something that people perceive as "dumb" then you should be ready for them to exercise their right to be critical. Just need to grow some thicker skin if you are going to abominate a beautiful Jeep with monstrosities like those wheels............................................ ........8)
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All the guys I off-road with have 15 & 16 inch rims with 35's and they have gone through any and everything they can to try and get my Jeep stuck because they said the same thing when I got my new rims and tires, not once have I been stuck or not been able to get through anything they have. I'm not rock crawling with full caged vehicles in insane territory, I'm Off-roading at difficult level off road parks. My skin is just fine by the way, I just find it funny that I'm the only one being singled out when ONCE AGAIN, I didn't bad mouth anyone, anyone's jeep or their decisions. The person asked about lift, clearance and backspace and got opinions and shit talking but no one said a word but everyone has something to say to me. What about the Di*k that said get 30's lower it and cut the fenders, or the other guy, tell her she had the wrong car for that??? How about you answer the fu*king question the guy asked so he can help his sister instead of talking crap and voicing your douschebag opinions that he DIDN'T ask for. Sorry but my respect for this forum and for jeep owners is getting worse and worse, I thought "it's a Jeep thing" but obviously "it's an as*hole thing".
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Back on topic... 20's can be very nice on the correct tire but is she willing to put out the cash on some 37's or bigger? If you go to a smaller wheel, then maybe 17's or 15' would look nice with a big beefy side wall and more importanly function the way a proper wheel and tire combo should. I think she would get more respect/ compliments with a proper & functional wheel and tire package then just throwing on some 20's just for the sake of having 20's.

Jeeps arn't typically about the bling, rather they represent pure function by nature. If she has 5 to 8k to dump in a lift, tires, wheels, fenders, etc then I say go for it! Remind her this ain't a Hummer, but then again what do I know..just 1 guy and his opinions trying to keep th Jeep the way it was meant to be in my humble opinion. I see a lot of "Hits that Missed" so what's one more.

On a side note, its not so much what you run, but to me its about the attitude you bring to the table. Wheel what you got and choose to listen to those with years of experience or not...ain't my ass. Wish evryone the best!
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*Snip useless diatribe* Sorry but my respect for this forum and for jeep owners is getting worse and worse, I thought "it's a Jeep thing" but obviously "it's an as*hole thing".
Your not singled out at all...lot's of "20" comments and resulting flamage on the board: do a search...And flamage is generally the result of fuel being thrown on the fire. And wheeling your Jeep in a "park" is about as challenging as hunting game in a zoo. You may successfully follow your friends around, on your 20" rims, in terrain *you* find *challenging* but you don't see too many 20" show rims in the pictures of serious offroad vehicles, on serious offroad runs for a reason: they aren't very functional. And form follows function: that's what gave birth to this vehicle in the first place. Your skin is not as thick as you would like to believe. And if you feel that way about the community the fix is simple: buy something else. Doesn't sound like you would be much of a loss to the community....but that's just my opinion, and I'm sure I'm an a**hole.....
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Your making it sounds like I fueled the fire when I didn't say a word until 4 people started talking sh*t already (about rim size). I answered their question. Sorry I thought people were educated in here and could read because they clearly didn't ask for opinions and what people thought and if people in here had half a brain they'd see the person clearly wrote "she is NOT using it FOR OFF-ROADING", so then 15's and 17's would clearly give them a better street ride right. Like I said earlier, I helped but in the Jeep community if you don't agree with the dorks, you get flamed.
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And yes it is a 1956 Pontiac Safari wagon, it's been my race car for the past two years.
That's nice.

I like it when people come up with things that are different.
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Your not singled out at all...lot's of "20" comments and resulting flamage on the board: do a search...And flamage is generally the result of fuel being thrown on the fire. And wheeling your Jeep in a "park" is about as challenging as hunting game in a zoo. You may successfully follow your friends around, on your 20" rims, in terrain *you* find *challenging* but you don't see too many 20" show rims in the pictures of serious offroad vehicles, on serious offroad runs for a reason: they aren't very functional. And form follows function: that's what gave birth to this vehicle in the first place. Your skin is not as thick as you would like to believe. And if you feel that way about the community the fix is simple: buy something else. Doesn't sound like you would be much of a loss to the community....but that's just my opinion, and I'm sure I'm an a**hole.....
First off I'm not singling you out, but I'm going to use your response as my starting point.

It appears to be, and rightly so that the majority of forum members utilize their Jeeps in the manor that they were intended for. However there are some that just like the look of the Jeep, or the utility, or like in my case, the ease of towing behind a motorhome. And I'm sure that there are other reasons out there besides the hardcore Jeeping experience.

What I have noticed is some members feel the Jeep is only for the hardcore use, or that they have a distain for those that do not use them in the same manner as they feel they are intended to be used.

It should be remembered that people like myself, or the young lady looking for 20 inch wheel information also help keep this recreational sport alive. The things we buy help fund the R&D of parts and accessories and keep the competition alive between vendors so prices are competitive.

You will have to excuse me now, but I need to get ready to leave shortly. The zoo opens up in about an hour and I have a real hankering for some elk steak for dinner tonight.
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I hear what your saying Silverback: it's just funny how he feigns being the white knight while trying to justify his own rim choice with a bunch of attitude and pictures and talk about compliments, not to mention the use of a screen name like Envy Me! LOL...of course each person has the right to make their own choice: nobody disputes that. But if one makes a choice one has to be ready to live with the bullsh*t that goes with it. There are some outspoken peeps in this community and it's pretty predictable what's going to happen when something like this comes up...can't change it, can't stop it. Learn to live with it....I learned long ago, on another board, not to talk about "cosmetic" preferences in some of these places...try asking a question like this over at Pirate! Enjoy your Elk......8)
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No elk tonight.

I had to settle for some spider monkey instead.
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Sorry my name got you all Butthurt, TRAIL BOSS lol.... did it hurt your feelings that I said I get compliments, sorry (kissing your boo boos). I know, guys like you think a Jeep is covered in mud and scratches 24 / 7 and any luxury a new jeep owner has like heated seats or self tinting mirror makes it not a real jeep. No, that's people with old junk jeeps being jealous and just because I clean my Jeep and it looks immaculate when I'm not Off-roading and covered in mud does not make it any less of a Jeep. Sorry but I didn't drop $50k in the last 6 months on a Jeep and aftermarket stuff so it can look like a shitty 98 2 door tj, if I wanted that I would have bought a shitty 2 door tj. We can talk crap back and forth all day, I helped the op, and I damn well know who's jeep looks better. Here's a problem with most jeep owners, your worried about what a bunch of dudes on a trail say about your jeep. I know what my Jeep can do on a trail and I'm more worried about what women think about my Jeep. Sorry but my back seat doesn't get filled with guys that think it's awesome and wear upside down jeep t's that say beer (losers) and I don't care what they think, even though most guys have said it looks bad ass.
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LOLZ! Thank you Enemavme...for showing your true colors to the board! FYI, I never had a problem with the OP (I didn't join the thread till you dropped your post in)...but it's obvious you are *very* insecure about your vehicle. You can primp and stroke and brush your Jeep's hair: you can marry it for all I care! Don't worry about me being "butthurt": there is *nothing* your gonna say that will bother me: I have no problem with my Jeep. By the same token, I don't use it as bait for compliments or some kind of accessory to be trendy and cool! Couple months ago, I just bought my 8th: an 02 TJ. Very happy with it. I test drove the JK and decided against it. I wasn't going to "drop 50K" on a depreciating asset. Not that dumb! And I wouldn't accuse others of driving an "old, junky, muddy, non-immaculate, 2-door TJ that women won't like" just because I paid to much for my over-priced, over-plasticized, over-weight, euro-trash looking Liberty wannabe"!(And then bought every single bolt-on in the Quadratec catalog because Chrysler didn't put enough BLING on it)!!! Indeed..."More worried about what women think"?!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Like I said: Your (and anybody else)are free to do what ya want...of course, I'm free to laugh at you as well. Methinks you are the one who is "Butthurt"...I think the remedy can be found in the Quadratec catalog! Have a nice day...HAHAHAHAHAHA

My apologies to the board for this digression.....
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Sorry my name got you all Butthurt, TRAIL BOSS lol.... did it hurt your feelings that I said I get compliments, sorry (kissing your boo boos). I know, guys like you think a Jeep is covered in mud and scratches 24 / 7 and any luxury a new jeep owner has like heated seats or self tinting mirror makes it not a real jeep. No, that's people with old junk jeeps being jealous and just because I clean my Jeep and it looks immaculate when I'm not Off-roading and covered in mud does not make it any less of a Jeep. Sorry but I didn't drop $50k in the last 6 months on a Jeep and aftermarket stuff so it can look like a shitty 98 2 door tj, if I wanted that I would have bought a shitty 2 door tj. We can talk crap back and forth all day, I helped the op, and I damn well know who's jeep looks better. Here's a problem with most jeep owners, your worried about what a bunch of dudes on a trail say about your jeep. I know what my Jeep can do on a trail and I'm more worried about what women think about my Jeep. Sorry but my back seat doesn't get filled with guys that think it's awesome and wear upside down jeep t's that say beer (losers) and I don't care what they think, even though most guys have said it looks bad ass.

Just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.

This thread will be closed soon, but it's so funny. Keep "worrying about what women think" and we'll all continue to be entertained about the thought of buying a "shitty 2 door tj". I can't stop laughing!
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