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Old 03-29-2012, 01:52 AM   #1
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33" Tires on 18" Rims, Input needed before purchase!

Hey everyone, after a huge amount of research, I came to the conclusion that it'd be a whole lot cheaper buying tires for my 18" rims, instead of buying tires and 15" rims altogether. I have a 2012 Sahara, and plan on installing a Full-Traction 2" leveling kit
Full-Traction Suspension Jeep JK Wrangler 2.0" Leveling Kit Jeep JK Wrangler 2Dr/4Dr 4wd

Stock tires are 255/70 R18
I'm thinking maybe the DuraTracs 295/65 R18

Goodyear*Wrangler DuraTrac

The specs for this tire are the following:
Weight: 58 lbs
Rim width range: 8-10" (what does that mean? :s )
Measured rim width: 8.5"
Section width: 11.8"
Overall diameter: 33.1"

It does NOT specify the backspacing or whatever it's called,

As 4Fit said in his post,
Largest tire on stock JK? Here's your answer!

"The 275/70/18 measures slightly under 11” wide, while the other two measure a little over. Many folks have reported running these sizes without issue. However, others have experienced contact with the airdam or front suspension components. Simple fixes are to add washers to the steering stops, trim the airdam, or install wheel spacers.

Any tire larger than 11” in width, you are almost guaranteed to have to do one of the above mentioned mods. In fact, if you go too much wider than the 11” tire on stock wheels, you stand a good chance of making contact with your rear swaybar end link. If that is the case, wheel spacers can correct this issue. Common sizes are 295/70/17 (33x11.6), 305/60/17 (33x12), 305/70/16 (33x12), 295/65/18 (33x11.6)"

I'm probably going to need to add some washers somewhere (I have no idea how that works, but I trust the 4x4 shop I choose will know what to do).

Basically, Will those tires work on my 18" rims without causing too much trouble with rubbing? (If I get the washers installed)
I'm freaking out here! haha I want it all done perfectly right this second! Ahh!!!

I'm also very sorry about the long post... I like giving all the details I possibly can so you don't have to try to figure them out or take guesses.

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Wake Up people!! lol patience is a virtue...

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The stated rim width is what size rim width is recomended (although not always 100% accurate) for that specific tire size.. So like when you see 17x9in rims.. It's cause there 17in tall and 9in wide.. A tire as wide as the 295/65/18 (In the case of the duratrac being 33.1x11.8/18) is going to rub when turning with the stock rims back spacing so you will need spacers or new rims (recomended). Washers just won't do you any good cause that tire is just to wide for them to be of help.

Going off of tire rack 295/65/18 GY Duratracs are 267 bucks a peice and the 33x12.5/15's are 172 a peice.. 15x8 cragar soft 8's are in the 50-60 dollar range.. Just wanted to inform you that depending on the rim it is not true that 15in rims and the tires for them woud cost more then the tires for a tire for a 18in rim.


If you do go the way of spacers then I'd recomend the 1.25in spacers from spidertrax but I think a company called synergy, actually im positive it's synergy, makes simillar spacers.
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I have the same rims as you and just dropped the jeep off at the shop for a 4" RC lift and a set of 35X12.5R18 on the stock rims i pick it up Friday and will let you know how they work.
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I have the same rims as you and just dropped the jeep off at the shop for a 4" RC lift and a set of 35X12.5R18 on the stock rims i pick it up Friday and will let you know how they work.
Sure hope you got spacers lol and question.. who did you order your new drive shaft from and how much it cost you
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Gah... So much work! lol I've tried looking for 15" rims that are worthy to put on my baby, in vain. Where should I get some for cheap? I wasn't looking to spend more than the 1k margin on those tires and rims included.
If I were to go with the 18" rims, how big a liability would those spacers be?
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I have the same rims as you and just dropped the jeep off at the shop for a 4" RC lift and a set of 35X12.5R18 on the stock rims i pick it up Friday and will let you know how they work.
Ohhh!! pictures!!!! xD I'm excited!
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well 18's rim tires will bring you over and maybe even well over 1K.. I mean the 295/65/18 duratracs alone are $267 bucks.. multiply that by 5 and your already decently over 1K.. As far as spacers go.. A offroad shop might work with them but normal tire shops wont touch any vehcilce with them on.. However as long as you maintain them but making sure there tight once a week and checking for damage as well as looking them over and making sure there tight after each wheeling trip you will be fine on them.

I would never run spacers personally but I know alot of people do cause they like the stock rims so much. So I wouldn't be affraid of them if I were you just make sure you maintain them as I said
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Oh god... That's gonna be lots of fun.
Ummm if I want to keep the stock 18" but get another set of 33" tires, what would you suggest? Anything less complicated? If not, then I guess I'll have to find a set of 15"

Any suggestions on where I can find those 15" rims?
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this is the ones im thinking of Cragar Soft 8 Black Wheels - SummitRacing.com

As far as if you want to avoid spacers and maybe just get away with washers in the steering stops in order to keep your stock rims you will need a tire that is in the 10.5in wide range.. 11in might be OK if you do use the washers in the steering stops.. but anything wider thats when you'll get into needing spacers or the new wheels.

As far as say what kind of tire is right for you goes that really depends on how you use your jeep.. How often do you go offroading and what kind of terrain do you offroad on..
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The Cagar soft 8s are nice wheels! But they're steel rims. With everything that I've been reading, would they actually work properly?
According to a few people-- namely Love look of fat tires on JK! Need advice! - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum 4" BS isn't enough. Thoughts?
And do they happen to make them in white/silver? I have a white Wrangler, if both the tires and the rims are black, that's way too much black!
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The Cagar soft 8s are nice wheels! But they're steel rims. With everything that I've been reading, would they actually work properly?
According to a few people-- namely Love look of fat tires on JK! Need advice! - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum 4" BS isn't enough. Thoughts?
And do they happen to make them in white/silver? I have a white Wrangler, if both the tires and the rims are black, that's way too much black!
I don't see anything in that thread that states 4" backspacig wouldn't be enough.

Granted, most 15" wheels have 3.75" BS or less, but there are a few out there (both steel and aluminum) that have 4".

Regarding the fitment issues, I remember seeing a couple threads over the past month where the Summit Soft 8s fit. Not sure exactly which ones, but I know 2 users have mounted them with no grinding required. However, the tolerances for steel wheels seem to vary wildly, so while those users didn't have issues, someone else might.

As for the white wheels, here is a pic of mkjeep's rig on white Soft 8s. Believe he just painted them.
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I don't see anything in that thread that states 4" backspacig wouldn't be enough.
Oh haha I meant without using spacers since most shops don't condone it.

Anyhow, I'm apparently a very indecisive person... But I like making the best possible decision from the first time, rather than going by trial and error

So here's what I was planning on getting:

-Vision 375 Warrior rims--15X7.5 5-127--
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-Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac--33X12.50R15C2 108Q W--
Ratings, reviews and specifications for Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac tires

I haven't gotten the leveling kit yet, so will these fit on a stock '12 Sahara?
I'M EXCITEDDDD!!!! I put in the order tomorrow, so if anyone has any complaints, please let me know asap
(by asap, I mean ASAP! as in NOW!!!!! <3)
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Oh haha I meant without using spacers since most shops don't condone it.

Anyhow, I'm apparently a very indecisive person... But I like making the best possible decision from the first time, rather than going by trial and error

So here's what I was planning on getting:

-Vision 375 Warrior rims--15X7.5 5-127--
Wheel Details - Discount Tire Direct

-Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac--33X12.50R15C2 108Q W--
Ratings, reviews and specifications for Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac tires

I haven't gotten the leveling kit yet, so will these fit on a stock '12 Sahara?
I'M EXCITEDDDD!!!! I put in the order tomorrow, so if anyone has any complaints, please let me know asap
(by asap, I mean ASAP! as in NOW!!!!! <3)
Whats the back spacing on them? Thats very important in being able to fit a tire as wide as the 33x12.5/15. you might have to call discount tire or pm the discount tire rep here on those rims as I didn't see anything on there back spacing on that page

Also as far as the tire goes there $23 per tire cheaper here Goodyear*Wrangler DuraTrac
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Don't think I've ever seen the 15" Warriors on a JK. Have seen the 16s though. I'm not sure those would fit over the calipers without rubbing, but they might. I'd defintely talk it over with the DTD rep here to see if he knows if they will fit.
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Whats the back spacing on them? Thats very important in being able to fit a tire as wide as the 33x12.5/15. you might have to call discount tire or pm the discount tire rep here on those rims as I didn't see anything on there back spacing on that page

Also as far as the tire goes there $23 per tire cheaper here Goodyear*Wrangler DuraTrac
Backspacing would be around 3.75, so that will be fine. But that could still hit the calipers if their casting is funky for some reason.

Personally, I'd want a wider wheel than 7.5" too.
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Whats the back spacing on them?
I have absolutely no idea what the back spacing on them is, I'll ask in a min, but considering it's an alloy rim, isn't it almost guaranteed to be 3.75? I could've sworn I'd seen that somewhere at some point... I think? lol

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Also as far as the tire goes there $23 per tire cheaper here Goodyear*Wrangler DuraTrac
I called a discount tire direct rep today and he was giving me the 5 tires + rims + shipment + lugs (? what are those? bolts?) + Mounting and balancing for 1350. I thought it was a good deal, or do you think it could've been improved?
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Don't think I've ever seen the 15" Warriors on a JK.
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I'm not sure those would fit over the calipers without rubbing, but they might. I'd defintely talk it over with the DTD rep here to see if he knows if they will fit.
How exactly do I contact the DTD rep here without having to go through the whole PMing thing?
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Personally, I'd want a wider wheel than 7.5" too.
When you say wider than 7.5", exactly how wide are you thinking? The 15" MB72 Alloy wheel (one of the most popular ones) is only 1/2 an inch (0.5") wider, no?
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I have absolutely no idea what the back spacing on them is, I'll ask in a min, but considering it's an alloy rim, isn't it almost guaranteed to be 3.75? I could've sworn I'd seen that somewhere at some point... I think? lol

I called a discount tire direct rep today and he was giving me the 5 tires + rims + shipment + lugs (? what are those? bolts?) + Mounting and balancing for 1350. I thought it was a good deal, or do you think it could've been improved?
Just because it is a 15" alloy doesn't guarantee the backspacing. That is dependant on rim width and offset. In this case, it does happen to be around 3.75", but there are also 15" wheels with 4" and others with 3.3".

You aren't actually getting lugs. You are getting lug nuts. The bolts that you mount your wheels on are called lugs. The lug nuts are what hold the wheel to the Jeep.

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There's a first time for everything

How exactly do I contact the DTD rep here without having to go through the whole PMing thing?
You would PM or call. They are generally pretty quick to PM back.
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When you say wider than 7.5", exactly how wide are you thinking? The 15" MB72 Alloy wheel (one of the most popular ones) is only 1/2 an inch (0.5") wider, no?
Minimum I would go is 8", but that's just me. There are countless people running 12.5" tires on stock wheels, which are also 7.5" wide. So I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem. Just saying I wouldn't do it with the 15" wheel personally.
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Eh- I'm gonna try those out, if I don't like them, I'll figure something else out...
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I called a discount tire direct rep today and he was giving me the 5 tires + rims + shipment + lugs (? what are those? bolts?) + Mounting and balancing for 1350. I thought it was a good deal, or do you think it could've been improved?
Does $1350 sound reasonable?
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Eh- I'm gonna try those out, if I don't like them, I'll figure something else out...
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Does $1350 sound reasonable?
If that is for 5, then yes, that sounds like a darn good deal. Don't forget to join treadlightly.org ($25) for an additional $100 mail in rebate on the Duratracs. Not sure if that has to be done prior to purchase date, but I bet it does, so you may lose out on that if you order tomorrow.
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Does $1350 sound reasonable?
Sounds decent enough.. And 4fit makes a great point in the rim width being just tad bit to small.. that has me kinda worried.. 8-9 is ideal if your going to be offroading.. under 8 and over 9 is really pushing your luck.. 10in is Ok if your gonna be a pavement queen.. and under 8 with a 12.5in wide tire I just don't know. The other thing that 4fit brought up is the fitment with breaks.. While they are OK with 15in cragars.. Not all 15in rims work.. So something to think about..

If you roll your dice with it I hope it works out for ya and if not well then hopefully discount tire will let you return them and help you get a 15x8 with 3.75-4.5in bs rim that works
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I would love to get the 15x8 rims (15" MB72 Alloy) but the problem is that rim is on backorder throughout the nation... The wait is 3 months+ :'(
I believe the warrior rim is 3.75, not 100% sure. I will double check on that tomorrow, however, if 15x7.5 is too narrow, then what should I do? I was hoping I could fit the DuraTracs 33X12.5R15, but if that's a tough task, then the rims are kinda useless... And when I think about it, I don't want my rims to be dug in deep into the tire, if you know what I mean...
How wide is the stock 275/70 18 rim?
Ugh! Just when I go [--] THIS close to the finish line, yet another issue arises... Decisions decisions!
Btw, 4Fit, what's treadlightly.org? lol
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I would love to get the 15x8 rims (15" MB72 Alloy) but the problem is that rim is on backorder throughout the nation... The wait is 3 months+ :'(
I believe the warrior rim is 3.75, not 100% sure. I will double check on that tomorrow, however, if 15x7.5 is too narrow, then what should I do? I was hoping I could fit the DuraTracs 33X12.5R15, but if that's a tough task, then the rims are kinda useless... And when I think about it, I don't want my rims to be dug in deep into the tire, if you know what I mean...
How wide is the stock 275/70 18 rim?
Ugh! Just when I go [--] THIS close to the finish line, yet another issue arises... Decisions decisions!
Btw, 4Fit, what's treadlightly.org? lol
You look at some other 15's?

DT has a list of 15's that fit.

Tread lightly is a membership you sign up for. discounts are one of the benefits.
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I would love to get the 15x8 rims (15" MB72 Alloy) but the problem is that rim is on backorder throughout the nation... The wait is 3 months+ :'(
I believe the warrior rim is 3.75, not 100% sure. I will double check on that tomorrow, however, if 15x7.5 is too narrow, then what should I do? I was hoping I could fit the DuraTracs 33X12.5R15, but if that's a tough task, then the rims are kinda useless... And when I think about it, I don't want my rims to be dug in deep into the tire, if you know what I mean...
How wide is the stock 275/70 18 rim?
Ugh! Just when I go [--] THIS close to the finish line, yet another issue arises... Decisions decisions!
Btw, 4Fit, what's treadlightly.org? lol
I thought I had heard that DTD was expecting a fairly large shipment of the MB72s to come in middle of April. If those are the wheels you really want, I would urge you to wait that little while. It would also allow you to join treadlightly and guarantee yourself of the $100 in additional savings (minus the $25 membership fee of course).

Then again, there was a post in this section today stating that DTD gave him a $100 Visa card for 5 wheels and another one for 5 tires. If that is the case, I would go ahead and place the order and don't worry about the treadlightly discount. Even if you have to wait a little while for them to come in.

The stock 18" tires are not 275s. They are 255s and measure out to 32x10.

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Also, as Ken mentioned, there are other 15" options to look into. To name a few at DTD:
Black Rock 909
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The Fuel Revolver is available from 4wheelparts.com and is a good looking wheel, but a bit expensive.

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How about the MB Razor?
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I still don't know about the backspace on that, but I'm gonna find out. Does it seem a bit more reasonable though? (it's more reasonably priced than the other wheels, and looks acceptably good)
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JUST got the MB Razor rim, 15x8 3.75 BS, 5x5
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Along with 33x12 R15 DuraTracs. They should be here in 4-5 days (2-3 days shipping, after weekend)
WISH ME LUCK!!!!! I'm gonna post before and after pictures. I was wondering if I need to get a leveling kit installed before I put in the tires... I was gonna get the leveling kit next week. Can I install the tires for now? Or will there be too much rubbing?

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