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Old 08-19-2013, 12:24 AM   #1
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All-Terrain T/A KO

I just drove my new Rubbicon 10A 200miles home from dealer. The Mud Terrains have to go. Has any one run the All Terrain T/A KO's lately? I used to run them on my pickups years ago but it's been awhile since I had any. Any opinion out there? I'm in the mountains of Colorado and this is a daily driver jeep. Also, all 5 Mud Terrains are for sale!!

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Old 08-19-2013, 12:46 AM   #2
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Also, do I need Load Range E on a Wrangler for daily city/hwy driving? Or will Load Range C work as well?

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C is what you want. KO's are a smoother quieter ride
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C is what you want. KO's are a smoother quieter ride

Thanks, that's kind of what I thought.
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Thanks, that's kind of what I thought.
It they won't wheel the rocks well IMO. I've seen people not be able to get traction w/o the nobs of mud tires. Deep sand has issues as well. Street and mild dirt they should work. I live in SA so Don't know about snow and ice...
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:35 AM   #6
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BFG KOs are nice if you don't see snow or mud at all. Otherwise, there's about 32 better tires on the market today.
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Old 08-19-2013, 04:19 PM   #7
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I have always been a firm believer in the BFG a/t and m/t tires. Personally i like the m/t better on our wrangler JKU and they pick up and throw far fewer rocks, load range c will be fine for you
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Goodyear Duratrac or a Toyo Open Country A/T 2 would probably get my vote.
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A/T KO's went on this morning. Quite a difference in ride and handling for city driving (which is what I was looking for). Thanks for all our opinions. Now got to sell the Mud Terains!!
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AT/KO Tire Test in Baja, Mexico!

It must be the 35" size I'm running, but these drove very easy in the sand - at 30 psi. to this camp spot down in Baja California earlier this month.



They do okay in the mud - Nowhere near as good as the TSL-SXs I used to run, but there's always a trade-off.

Crossing the Laguna Salada Creek in Baja California in March.



Tires packed in, but I made it through just fine (on the left).



Off-Camber sections like this one, the Jeep stuck like glue - those are my friends following behind me to show what the trail looked like.




I made it up this tricky canyon. In the very back, you can see the Jeep descending a very steep section. Rocks must be crawled, and the climb is steep. Lots of fun, though.



This hill is very rocky, but the AT/KOs held up very well. I'm taking a photo of my friend traveling behind me with a set of MT/KM2s he ran before upgrading to 35s like me.



If my AT/KOs weren't up to snuff, I would not have made it to this Easter Sunday Fiesta de Pascua in Rio Hardy!

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^^^ Those are some beautiful pics. Awesome looking country out there.
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BFG KOs are nice if you don't see snow or mud at all. Otherwise, there's about 32 better tires on the market today.
I wouldn't recommend them for mud but most sizes are dot and Transport Canada approved for use in severe snow conditions. Translation: they are a year round snow tire like Duratracs and Silent Armors. Btw everytime I've driven through kentucky on I75 I've never seen any snow on the roads. Man you really hate these tires.
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A/T KO's went on this morning. Quite a difference in ride and handling for city driving (which is what I was looking for). Thanks for all our opinions. Now got to sell the Mud Terains!!
Good choice. When I picked up my new jk I sold the MUDs to the dealer and had the put the AT's from my trade in on it. If you don't wheel much, you're better off with AT's in my opinion.
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A/T KO's went on this morning. Quite a difference in ride and handling for city driving (which is what I was looking for). Thanks for all our opinions. Now got to sell the Mud Terains!!
Where did you get your tires because everywhere I have gone they say the tires in my size (35x12.5x15) are not available.
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Where did you get your tires because everywhere I have gone they say the tires in my size (35x12.5x15) are not available.
Discount Tires. Been using them for years and always treated good.
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Discount Tires. Been using them for years and always treated good.
Ok thanks!
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I wouldn't recommend them for mud but most sizes are dot and Transport Canada approved for use in severe snow conditions. Translation: they are a year round snow tire like Duratracs and Silent Armors. Btw everytime I've driven through kentucky on I75 I've never seen any snow on the roads. Man you really hate these tires.

Yeah, we don't get snow.
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I wouldn't recommend them for mud but most sizes are dot and Transport Canada approved for use in severe snow conditions. Translation: they are a year round snow tire like Duratracs and Silent Armors. Btw everytime I've driven through kentucky on I75 I've never seen any snow on the roads. Man you really hate these tires.
OH, and I forgot to mention that some of the worst snow tires I've used are the ones with the "moutain snowflake symbol" on them. That symbol doesn't mean it's a great snow tire.

Here is an article explaining why. Basically, that test was developed in the 1990s. Two decades later, technology in tires has far surpassed that standard. The tires with interlocked patterns (BFG, General, Definity, etc.) are the oldest technology currently still on the market with tread designs from the 1970s and 80s.

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“It really started when the mountain/snowflake was seen on the side of all-terrain tires or more aggressive highway all-season tires for light truck applications,” Rastetter says. “In reality, before we had true winter tires, those are exactly what we would have recommended for a light truck application anyway.”

There was nothing illegal about what was happening, he says, but those tires really weren’t winter tires, they were above average all-season tires that exceeded the industry standard and qualified for the mountain/snowflake symbol.

“It appears that there had been a gentleman’s agreement that the mountain/snowflake symbol would only be on dedicated winter tires,” he says. “I don’t know what changed, but some companies building all-terrain light truck tires thought this was an opportunity. The sad part is that an all-terrain tire could give you 111% improvement and a winter tire could give you 130% of the performance, but they both get to carry the mountain/snowflake symbol. There is no differentiation."
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Yeah, we don't get snow.
Holy $&it. How often do u get snow like that? We drive down I 75 every January and back up in early march. I see a little snow on the ground in Ohio sometimes but never south into Kentucky.

I read your post on the snowflake label and it is very interesting. I agree the latest snow tire designs are nothing like AT tread patterns. I figured it was the softness of the rubber and the siping that got them the approval. They may not be the latest and greatest as far a snow goes but I have had good luck with them in snow. They work well for me and I'll stick with them for now.

I'm still shocked at that snow pic. Lol.
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Yea, I live close to WX, that doesn't happen often but it does happen. Even worse is we get ice storms that coat everything in several inches of ice. Trees falling in the road and power down everywhere. We average this about every three years, mostly north of I-64.
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Yes, we don't get snow like that every winter. That happens every few years. We do get snow every winter though. Like he said we get ice storms with seemingly increasing frequency now days too. We've had two ice storms in the past 10 years that shut down utilities here for a solid week. Every winter we get snow that typically happens between November and March, although we have had snow in October and we've had some flying as late as May before.

Funny thing is...in July/August the heat index can be 120 or higher here.

And, we get flooding rains sometimes. I've seen the interstate under 3 feet of water in places before.

We get everything in Kentucky. You name it, we get it. And our trails have rocks, mud, roots, sand, everything. That is why a quality all-terrain tire that is great at everything is so important here. I've had two or three sets of BFG KOs and they were great for their era. But now there are dozens of better options. In fact, here is a prediciton: with all the new tire designs and technologies coming out now, and with the economy being in shambles, and with the BFG being the most expensive AT on the market (almost), I predict that after a run of three decades we are going to see the KO tire discontinued in the coming years.

P.S. I apologize for my tone...I can see now how it could have been taken the wrong way in this thread. My bad.
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Power out a week!!! BS!! Mine was out for almost two months last go round(4 year ago??). It was miserable, good thing my family is a bunch of survivalist nut jobs
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P.S. I apologize for my tone...I can see now how it could have been taken the wrong way in this thread. My bad.
No apology necessary.
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Power out a week!!! BS!! Mine was out for almost two months last go round(4 year ago??). It was miserable, good thing my family is a bunch of survivalist nut jobs
Too funny. Too much Doomsday Preppers on TV? How you liking the AEV?
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^^^ Those are some beautiful pics. Awesome looking country out there.
This entire region resembles a giant cactus garden. That being said, spare tires are mandatory!





On this trip, the BFGs did great. Their traction was very good for this terrain. I only aired down to 20#, so the sidewalls held up well. The entire group was running either BFG AT/KOs or KM2s, and we didn't have any tire failures.


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These are some of the best tires you can get for your $$. They are one of the best tires I've ever run in the sand, and they lasted about 50k on my 3/4 ton pickup. If you might get caught in deep mud or snow just carry a set of chains to put on the front axle. From now on I will be hard pressed to stray from the BFG A/T's again.

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