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Old 03-28-2010, 06:28 PM   #1
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Choosing new tires sucks

So blah blah blah I'm going to go from my 32" BFG ATs to some 33" MT tire - yadda yadda yadda. My question is not so much which one to go with, but how the hell do I choose? I've read so many reviews my eyes are bleeding. MTZs, KM2s, MTRs, Cooper Discoverer, Trxus MTs, Pro Comp Extremes . . . Every time I think I have my mind made up I read something bad about the tire. One guy says it's great on wet roads (which is important to me) and then the next guy says about the same tire that they are terrible in the rain. One guy says XYZ tire is great in mud and throws the crap a mile in the air, and the next guy says they clog up bad, don't buy them. One guy gets 50K out of them and the next guy says he had to replace them at 25k. WTF?

So. How bout those MT MTZs?

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Old 03-28-2010, 06:42 PM   #2
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What do you not like about the BFG's? I just bought a set in 33" x 10.5" and I love them on the highway and light trail stuff (much more streetable than my SS TSL's).

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Old 03-28-2010, 06:46 PM   #3
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I love the BFG ATS for almost everything. But I had them on my Power Wagon and they aren't that great in the mud. They do clog up and that is a pretty universal consensus. The trails I'll be going on can get pretty sloppy after rain and I don't have lockers yet so I want a mud terrain tire that is still streetable in rain and Cleveland snow.
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I've got Yokahama Geolander MT and I love them. They are directional tires which really dig in the mud and clean their self good. They have a groove right down the center that really channels the water.
I've had Pro Comp MT, Maxxis Buchshot Mudders and Maxxis Bighorn and now the Yokahama's. All have been good tires but I personally think the Yoka's have been better on the rocks, in the mud, and in heavy rain. They will send up rooster tails of water from those center grooves.
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Understood.
If you do not mind the hummmmmmmmming noise on the highway, I highly suggest the Super Swamper TSL Radials. They are incredible off road, snow and rain. They are great for local driving. As long as you really don't plan on a lot of highway driving, they're awesome.
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For Kpool: I know this sounds picky, but I dislike directional tires -.. for rotational reasons mostly. Also, I have found from near death experience that non-siped tires hate wet roads. That's the main thing scaring me away from the KM2s and leaning me toward the MTZ or the Trxus MT. But the Trxus don't balance well from what I hear....and on it goes.

One other thing I think I have learned from reading reviews... Most people, not all, but most, will tend to think that whatever tire they have is good because it's more difficult to admit you just made a $1000 mistake than it is to say you love it - even if you really don't. That's what makes it hard to believe reviews. Sometimes you come across the same comments over and over and then you can be pretty confident that it is true...maybe.
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Understood.
If you do not mind the hummmmmmmmming noise on the highway, I highly suggest the Super Swamper TSL Radials. They are incredible off road, snow and rain. They are great for local driving. As long as you really don't plan on a lot of highway driving, they're awesome.
I don't mind some noise but I do drive about 20 miles a day on the highway so those are really out.

Heck, with the top down and no carpeting I doubt the sound of the tires will make much difference anyway.
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I knew when I bought my SS TSL's my fillings would fall out on Route 80... My commute is less than 5 miles. But for the last three years, I'm lucky if I put 20K miles on them around town on county roads and lumber trails.

I had to change to an AT tire for highway driving.
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Duratracs, Great in snow and rain, not sure how they are off road yet, the $100 Treadlightly rebate helps with the cost, readily available, and they aren't loud, nice siping non directional. I went through the same thing with having a hard time deciding, for all the same reasons you did.... I also looked at the TSL radials but they're tread life seems way short... Only had the GY's 6 weeks, but so far I love them.
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x2 on the swamper tsl radials awesome tire,but I have found them to be Not as noisy as most mt tires,and have taken quite a few 40+ mile highway/interstate trips ,in snow,heavy rain etc with no ill effects.When I first started running them was kinda scared about the rain and higher speeds,not anymore they honestly are a great tire.Stepped from boggers to tsl radials wont go back unless its a trail only rig
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I drive 80 miles daily.
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Duratracs, Great in snow and rain, not sure how they are off road yet, the $100 Treadlightly rebate helps with the cost, readily available, and they aren't loud, nice siping non directional. I went through the same thing with having a hard time deciding, for all the same reasons you did.... I also looked at the TSL radials but they're tread life seems way short... Only had the GY's 6 weeks, but so far I love them.
Okay, let's use the Duratracs as an example. I just spent about two minutes reading reviews and here is a sample of what I found;

This has been a really awesome tire until we got it into snow. So far it's been a pretty poor performer in both wet and dry snow - definitely a step down from our Goodrich ATRs.

Got this tire specifically for snow, drove through 2 feet of it no sweat in an 04 Honda Pilot. Have never had a snow tire go this good on any vehicle. Highly recommend for anyone needing a great snow tire.

To be fair though - most of the reviews were pretty good all around. Like I said, majority rules I guess.
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Yeah, I've been there. For many many hours. It is a good site though that condenses all the reviews so they are easier to go through. Still confused though. I think I'll put my top five picks in a hat and close my eyes and pick one.
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Im upgrading from 32BFG ATs and going with the BFG MT 33's.

Ive read reviews and from what I see they perform pretty well all around.
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Yeah, I've been there. For many many hours. It is a good site though that condenses all the reviews so they are easier to go through. Still confused though. I think I'll put my top five picks in a hat and close my eyes and pick one.
Call up your local favorite tire dealer, find out what he can get for you for a decent price... That's what I ended up doing, oh, and seeing a Duratrac in person, is really what sold me, but I'm a girl, and I'm easy that way!
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:59 PM   #17
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Im upgrading from 32BFG ATs and going with the BFG MT 33's.

Ive read reviews and from what I see they perform pretty well all around.
The old style KMs or the newer KM2s? The old ones had zero siping which scares the crap outta me on rainy roads. Even the newer KM2s just have a divided lug which is sorta like siping I guess, but I'm not sure how good that would be on wet roads either.

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Call up your local favorite tire dealer, find out what he can get for you for a decent price... That's what I ended up doing, oh, and seeing a Duratrac in person, is really what sold me, but I'm a girl, and I'm easy that way!
I saw the Duras at my local Conrads. They do look impressive but my concern is how well the sidewall would hold up if rubbed on a rock and how well they would clean out the mud. for street I know they would be great though.
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Just my 2 cents:

Gus, what are you gonna do with those tires mostly? Yeah, weather. It changes, I get it.

But the rest of the time? How much road work vs trail work? Why are you going to MT tires anyway?

I as as I don't see too much of that in here and you can't find exactly what you want because no one makes tires that do EVERYTHING well.

You want to run in the snow on the interstate? Stay away from AT/MT tires period. Most of them suck (emphasis added) in the wet on pavement. Some of them suck less, but suck they do.

Want some mileage out of them? Stay away from most MT/AT tires too. Again, some suck less.

I live where it never snows and barely rains so I run MT tires as I like to go out and run them on the rocks. I have MTR's (non-Kevlar). Wonderful tires for what I do. They SUCK when it rains though they don't suck nearly as bad as the AWFUL pro-comp MT's that they replaced.

If you must have a tire that runs in the snow, then a set of real snow tires may be best. MT's aren't going to be the best choice but I don't know if there is a less sucky MT tire for that application.
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My BFG ATs are fantastic in the rain and all types of snow but they suck in mud. The trails I'll run have mud, some rocks, tree roots, loose dirt, etc. Not a lot of rock climbing and I'll be going once a month or so mostly in the summer months. I know there is a compromise when you go to a MT tire. My original question is more of how the heck to disseminate all the reviews and figure out what's best.
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Yeah, I got that too. Thing is that there isn't one.

The "offroad" magazine I'm reading right now has a review of the new MTR (Kevlar) tire. Well, they have them on a yota...no info on what's been done to the truck and they have E load rated tires on it.

I could care less what they say, doesn't apply to me (nor in my opinion, to freakin' anyone, but I digress).

Anyway, for what you want to do, I'd go with the BFG KM2's and figure out how much of a granny you need to be in the snow.
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that's funny cuz on my Jeep build budget spreadsheet (we all have one of those, don't we?) I recently switched my tire upgrade to the KM2s. Overall about $80 cheaper for 5 tires than the MTZs. It's pretty much down to those two now...I think.
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I'm in the market for some new tires. Living close to where you do, I'll be driving in exact conditions. The wheeling style sounds very similar to crap I like to run. I also drive to Pittsburgh at least once a month. That being said, I've decided on the KM2. I was/am still worried about rain though. I'm going to try it, and if they slide all over, I'm going to get them sipped. Not sure of the cost, but it'll be worth it I'm sure.

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