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Old 08-25-2013, 08:06 AM   #1
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Help! 2013 JK - New wheels and tires on a budget

Hey guys, once again I call on your experience and expertise. (Sorry for the long post.)

I'm in the market for wheels and tires. (Yep, another one of "those" threads - sorry. )

A little background -
This IS my DD and I hit the trails about once a month or so. Since this is my DD, I need on-road handling to good.

Also, I'm running a 2.5" TF spring lift with my stock Rubi wheels and tires with 1.5" Spidertrax spacers. I'll remove the spacers with the addition of the new wheels.

First question - offset. I know I want to ditch the spacers so what offset will work. I've researched wheels and found, what I think, I want - HERE If you read the description, it says "Offset -12". What does that mean?

Second question - tires. Since this is my DD and eventually, I'll in a part of the country with a fair amount of rain (Orlando), I need them to handle rain without the "slip and slide" of a full mud terrain tire but, I want an aggressive tire as the wheeling I do will most likely wind me up in the mud somewhere. I think I've found the tire I want, but need some feedback - HERE

If I'm way off base with either selection or the way my mind is thinking about this, PLEASE chime in and set me straight. This is a BIG purchase and I'm on a tight budget.

For the record, I'm not completely sold or dedicated to a 17" wheel and 35" tire but I do know I don't want the added weight and sidewall of a 15" tire.

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X2. As far as wheels I went with AEV pintlers. AEV makes 2 different wheels in 3 different colors. They are all 17x 8.5 and 4.7 backspace. They did the research so you don't have to. Highly recommended.
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X2. As far as wheels I went with AEV pintlers. AEV makes 2 different wheels in 3 different colors. They are all 17x 8.5 and 4.7 backspace. They did the research so you don't have to. Highly recommended.
Thanks for the suggestions but I'm on a tight budget so $225 PER WHEEL is definitely out.

You said it has a "4.7" backspace - how does that compare to the wheel I posted at a "-12" backspace?
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It never ceases to amaze me. I've seen it on all the forums. Some guy says "I'm on a tight budget" and immediately everybody recommends the MOST expensive wheel and tire you can buy.

Seriously guys? Are reading skills lacking that much these days?

The BFG KO is the most expensive, most over rated AT tire on the market. The AEV Pintler is over-priced, ugly, and has had manufacturing defects in the past. All of this is terrible advice for somebody who is clearly on a tight budget.

My advice: Go to 15" wheels. They are lighter and cheaper and maintain better fuel economy. Then choose 33x12.50-15 AT tires. Discount Tire Direct is running huge sales and promotions right now. Order a set of wheels and AT tires of your choice from them and you'll save literally hundreds of dollars, and they will cover mounting and balancing for FREE which saves you another $100 on top of that. Plus, they are running tons of mail in rebate offers right now.

As for the "-12" offset, this means the wheel has a negative 12mm offset from the centerline of the wheel. As as example, a 15x8 wheel with -12 offset will have about 4.25" of backspacing.

You add 1" to the listed width, then divide by 2 to get the centerline.
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I have done so much research recently on tires. All be it for 15" and not 17". I did a tire cost / shipping cost / mount&balance cost / rebate / review analysis. I have had 2 sets of BFG AT's and Yokohama Geolanders AT's before on my previous 4WD trucks. My cost compare included the BFG's, Geolanders and Cooper Discoverer AT3's.

On the price comparison ( in the size I was looking at), the BFG's were the most expensive followed by the Yokohama's and then the coopers. I liked the Yokohama's as much as BFG's. The coopers got reviews as good as the others.

I ended up buying a barely used set of the Goodyear wranglers authority on craigslist for $200 less than new cost. No wet road exp yet. They have what I would call a highway speed "hum". Not as quiet as the others, but not load

Cant help you out on the rims. We're using the stock ones and it has been years since I have upgraded rims on my vehicles. When I did, I always bought american racing. That was over 10 years ago
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Hey WXman, i can read fine so stop the passive aggressive crap. I based my recommendation on the requirement to be a daily driver and an offroad tire. You get what you pay for. My BFG AT are solid tires I have has them on every vehicle I have owned since 1994. They wear well, are great in rainy wet roads and are durable. I have gotten 65,000 average per tire set and one set I got 80k.

So your opinion WX of them "being over rated" doesn't work for me.

Use the stock rims and go with the AT's.


If you want cheap tires that will last 30k by all means go for it. That same set will cost twice or three times what you would get if buying a good set of BFG AT.

I drove a set of Michelins off my Dodge Ram in less than 30K.

Trust me, you get what you pay for.
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I agree sometime the cheapest tire is not really the most cost effective tire. I vote Toyo Open Country AT2's. I have over 12000 miles on mine and they still have 15/32" tread and started at 17/32". They ride smooth and quiet and have been excellent on all surfaces from snow and ice to jagged rocks to sand and smooth rocks of moab. I have mine mounted on Raceline Raptors which are about $100 apiece and fairly light at 25 lbs.
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I agree sometime the cheapest tire is not really the most cost effective tire. I vote Toyo Open Country AT2's. I have over 12000 miles on mine and they still have 15/32" tread and started at 17/32". They ride smooth and quiet and have been excellent on all surfaces from snow and ice to jagged rocks to sand and smooth rocks of moab. I have mine mounted on Raceline Raptors which are about $100 apiece and fairly light at 25 lbs.
Third vote for Toyo Open Country AT2's. We installed these on wife's 10A and I like them so much I bought a set for my daily driver. So far great tire for the $, smooth ride, very little highway hum, and nice AT tread pattern. Find best price online (like treaddepot.com) and ask a local tire shop to match the price. They may not match but you should get close if you call around.
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The OP may be confusing backspacing with offset.

Pick wheels that match the tires you want to run in diameter and width. Then select the backspacing.

Example: I decided on 17" tires to get the size and load rating I wanted. Then I decided on the wheels. Not Pintlers. They are expensive (and, by the way, they are not 4.7" backspacing as someone mentioned, they are 5.2"). Fuel wheels come in more sizes and Cragers are cheap.

I selected Fuel Frontiers to get the size and design I liked.

Finally I decided on the tires.

So, I ended up with Toyo AT2 in P285/70r17. 8.5" wheels with 5.5" backspacing.

They fit perfect and I love them.

Many on hear say you have to have 4.5" backspacing, but it's not true for 285/70/17. 5.5 is the perfect backspacing for clearance and handling. It's better to select the width of the wheel and the backspacing, than to go straight to the offset. But once you know the width and backspacing, you can calculate the offset if needed. I think mine are +20.
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It never ceases to amaze me. I've seen it on all the forums. Some guy says "I'm on a tight budget" and immediately everybody recommends the MOST expensive wheel and tire you can buy.

Seriously guys? Are reading skills lacking that much these days?

The BFG KO is the most expensive, most over rated AT tire on the market. The AEV Pintler is over-priced, ugly, and has had manufacturing defects in the past. All of this is terrible advice for somebody who is clearly on a tight budget.

My advice: Go to 15" wheels. They are lighter and cheaper and maintain better fuel economy. Then choose 33x12.50-15 AT tires. Discount Tire Direct is running huge sales and promotions right now. Order a set of wheels and AT tires of your choice from them and you'll save literally hundreds of dollars, and they will cover mounting and balancing for FREE which saves you another $100 on top of that. Plus, they are running tons of mail in rebate offers right now.

As for the "-12" offset, this means the wheel has a negative 12mm offset from the centerline of the wheel. As as example, a 15x8 wheel with -12 offset will have about 4.25" of backspacing.

You add 1" to the listed width, then divide by 2 to get the centerline.
Op said he didn't want 15's. Perhaps you should read a little more closely. BTW BFG's are not expensive here. One reason why I bought them. As far as wheels go, is 225 per wheel expensive? Def not cheap but I don't think they're expensive. The OP didn't ask for advice on pretty wheels either, so the fact u think AEV wheels are ugly is irrelevant.
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Quite a bit more expensive than BFG AT's when I was shopping.
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The OP may be confusing backspacing with offset.

Pick wheels that match the tires you want to run in diameter and width. Then select the backspacing.

Example: I decided on 17" tires to get the size and load rating I wanted. Then I decided on the wheels. Not Pintlers. They are expensive (and, by the way, they are not 4.7" backspacing as someone mentioned, they are 5.2"). Fuel wheels come in more sizes and Cragers are cheap.

I selected Fuel Frontiers to get the size and design I liked.

Finally I decided on the tires.

So, I ended up with Toyo AT2 in P285/70r17. 8.5" wheels with 5.5" backspacing.

They fit perfect and I love them.

Many on hear say you have to have 4.5" backspacing, but it's not true for 285/70/17. 5.5 is the perfect backspacing for clearance and handling. It's better to select the width of the wheel and the backspacing, than to go straight to the offset. But once you know the width and backspacing, you can calculate the offset if needed. I think mine are +20.

Oooops. I don't know where I got the 4.7 because 5.2 is the correct number. I just know they sit right at the edge of my fender flare, which I wanted to keep as much winter crap off the body as possible.
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Hey guys, once again I call on your experience and expertise. (Sorry for the long post.)

I'm in the market for wheels and tires. (Yep, another one of "those" threads - sorry. )

A little background -
This IS my DD and I hit the trails about once a month or so. Since this is my DD, I need on-road handling to good.

Also, I'm running a 2.5" TF spring lift with my stock Rubi wheels and tires with 1.5" Spidertrax spacers. I'll remove the spacers with the addition of the new wheels.

First question - offset. I know I want to ditch the spacers so what offset will work. I've researched wheels and found, what I think, I want - HERE If you read the description, it says "Offset -12". What does that mean?

Second question - tires. Since this is my DD and eventually, I'll in a part of the country with a fair amount of rain (Orlando), I need them to handle rain without the "slip and slide" of a full mud terrain tire but, I want an aggressive tire as the wheeling I do will most likely wind me up in the mud somewhere. I think I've found the tire I want, but need some feedback - HERE

If I'm way off base with either selection or the way my mind is thinking about this, PLEASE chime in and set me straight. This is a BIG purchase and I'm on a tight budget.

For the record, I'm not completely sold or dedicated to a 17" wheel and 35" tire but I do know I don't want the added weight and sidewall of a 15" tire.
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It never ceases to amaze me. I've seen it on all the forums. Some guy says "I'm on a tight budget" and immediately everybody recommends the MOST expensive wheel and tire you can buy.

Seriously guys? Are reading skills lacking that much these days?


The BFG KO is the most expensive, most over rated AT tire on the market. The AEV Pintler is over-priced, ugly, and has had manufacturing defects in the past. All of this is terrible advice for somebody who is clearly on a tight budget.

My advice: Go to 15" wheels. They are lighter and cheaper and maintain better fuel economy. Then choose 33x12.50-15 AT tires. Discount Tire Direct is running huge sales and promotions right now. Order a set of wheels and AT tires of your choice from them and you'll save literally hundreds of dollars, and they will cover mounting and balancing for FREE which saves you another $100 on top of that. Plus, they are running tons of mail in rebate offers right now.

As for the "-12" offset, this means the wheel has a negative 12mm offset from the centerline of the wheel. As as example, a 15x8 wheel with -12 offset will have about 4.25" of backspacing.

You add 1" to the listed width, then divide by 2 to get the centerline.
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Op said he didn't want 15's. Perhaps you should read a little more closely. BTW BFG's are not expensive here. One reason why I bought them. As far as wheels go, is 225 per wheel expensive? Def not cheap but I don't think they're expensive. The OP didn't ask for advice on pretty wheels either, so the fact u think AEV wheels are ugly is irrelevant.
dontcha love it when a person bitches someone else out for not reading lol

I personally think the AEV Pintlers are the best looking rims out there.
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dontcha love it when a person bitches someone else out for not reading lol

I personally think the AEV Pintlers are the best looking rims out there.
Thank you sir!
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Thank you sir!
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Awesome.

Yes it was. You know I was just backing you up on your tire choice. I should have stopped there.
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Wow...what's become of my thread?

OK, let me set this out there. I like the AEV Pintlers but can't afford to spend that much.

15" wheels are out of the equation (heavier tires, too much side wall for good on road feel, etc...or so I've read). I want either a 16 or 17 inch wheel and a 34 or 35 inch tire. I don't want a huge amount of tire out past the flares but do not want any suspension rub.

I like the look of the Level 8 wheels I posted. I don't know SPECIFICALLY what size wheel to order. For the tires, well, I already covered that above.

Yes, I am confused on offset versus backspacing. I came here for help...not to start an argument or pissing contest.

If you have advice based on what I have asked for, please by all means post up and help me out. If you have nothing to contribute other than bickering, don't waste my time. Yeah, I'm pretty steamed at the childish crap.
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Knuckles,
You have been given some recommendations based on what some have used on their experiences.
It is up to you to accept it or not.

Owning a jeep will always cause differences of opinions. Jeep owners are notorious for speaking their minds. I wouldn't ask for advice and then scold the contributors. Likely to result in silence. That would be contrary to what you desire.

You cannot control the actions of people, just crack open a beer and enjoy the entertainment.

I recommend you look at the life cycle and expected durability of all tires. Make your choice on metric like 100,000 miles. How much is it going to cost you in that 100k to put shoes on your jeep.

When you cross into the 35 range on size you increase the cost of tires, pay more for fuel so those factors should also be considered.

Cheers.

Oh and look at BFG AT for rain. I live in Florida also and the traction is superb.
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Look at the Kelly safari or fierce attitude. One or both owned by Goodyear. Like the Duratrac a very popular all terrain tire ?

Here's how to determine backspace from offset

First – add 1″ to the rim width and then divide by 2 to find the wheels center line (you have to account for the wheel flange which is why you add 1″ to the rim width). Second – convert the offset which is in millimeters into inches (there is 25.4 mm in 1 inch so divide the offset by 25.4). Lastly – add the converted offset to the wheels center line (if the offset is positive) for the correct backspacing or subtract the converted offset to the wheels center line (if the offset is negative) for the correct backspacing.

You mentioned "heavier" not choosing a 15" ?
This is not always the case. A 33x15 IMO is the best all around combo. When stepping up to a 35" tire you may want to go 16" or 17"
There will be more tires available in 17" but more expensive.
I ran a 15" but upgraded because of clearance issues with my tie rod.
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I can completely appreciate and agree with what you said, Blue Heron, but it is some of the condescending comment really get to me. In any event - CLEAN SLATE

On the BFG AT's, thanks for the rain endorsement. I lived in FL for 37 years and am moving back by the end of the year. How are the AT's in the mud?
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Look at the Kelly safari or fierce attitude. One or both owned by Goodyear. Like the Duratrac a very popular all terrain tire ?

Here's how to determine backspace from offset

First – add 1″ to the rim width and then divide by 2 to find the wheels center line (you have to account for the wheel flange which is why you add 1″ to the rim width). Second – convert the offset which is in millimeters into inches (there is 25.4 mm in 1 inch so divide the offset by 25.4). Lastly – add the converted offset to the wheels center line (if the offset is positive) for the correct backspacing or subtract the converted offset to the wheels center line (if the offset is negative) for the correct backspacing.

You mentioned "heavier" not choosing a 15" ?
This is not always the case. A 33x15 IMO is the best all around combo. When stepping up to a 35" tire you may want to go 16" or 17"
There will be more tires available in 17" but more expensive.
I ran a 15" but upgraded because of clearance issues with my tie rod.
Thanks for that.

I think I'm going to split the difference and work out pricing on a 16 inch set up. Sounds like the best compromise between a 15 and 17 inch setup.

So, if I wanted a 34 or 35 inch tire on a 16 inch rim, what size would they be? 305/70/16? 315/70?

I imagine, I could discuss the back space concerns with the vendor (Discount Tire Direct is who I think I'm going to buy from).
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I can completely appreciate and agree with what you said, Blue Heron, but it is some of the condescending comment really get to me. In any event - CLEAN SLATE

On the BFG AT's, thanks for the rain endorsement. I lived in FL for 37 years and am moving back by the end of the year. How are the AT's in the mud?
AT's are great in Mud. They are ok in Snow. They are pretty decently rated for rain/sand/mud and pavement. They do have a weakness in the competition in Snow. But if you're not gonna go north....

Also check the sidewall. The E rated tires are too much but do have merit when deflated for offroad. A D rated tire should suit you fine.
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So would a 35" in a 17 inch rim be a 315-70-17?
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So would a 35" in a 17 inch rim be a 315-70-17?
My 32 inch 17 is a 265/70/17 E rated
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No. My 35 inch 17 is a 265/70/17 E rated


Now I'm really confused...a 265/70/17 is a 35" tire?
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Now I'm really confused...a 265/70/17 is a 35" tire?
I was editing that. It is a 32 at 265/70/17
I think you are correct
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:12 PM   #30
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Lol...OK. That makes snese.

I just looked up 315/70/17 on TireRack and it says 34.4 inches for a Duratrac.

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