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Old 10-08-2012, 04:00 PM   #361
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There is a high chance that will rub. But only at full lock.

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I understand 12-13's have larger Calipers, I'm not clear what if any 15" rims would work. I'm pricing out 2doors right now and trying to see how much for mods to determine how much I can put down after getting rid of the TJ.

Would 15" wheels and 35x12.5 feel sloppy on the highway? Bouncey maybe?
I like the look, and even better the price defference!

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I understand 12-13's have larger Calipers
I don't believe that's correct. Some overseas models have larger rotors/calipers, but not anything sold in the US.

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Would 15" wheels and 35x12.5 feel sloppy on the highway? Bouncey maybe?
I don't know. I have read that there have been problems balancing 35s on 15s. It's a lot of sidewall.
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I've read through this thread 2x, and pulled out the calculator at least as many. After running the calculations, I'm coming up with the AEV Pintler and Savegres at 5.14" backspacing, 17", and 8.5" wide. I like the look, and especially like the hubcentric design.

I've a TF perf levling kit (1.5" spring lift) and I'd like 33x11 or 12.5" Duratracs without trimming the fenders. I have no air dam (it had to be removed for the Warn elite front bumper). Despite the wealth of info here, it seems like there is no definative way to tell if they'll rub while wheeling. I don't disconnect, but definately like to push the suspension as far as I can without doing so, creek crossings, logging roads. No rock trails yet, haven't found any near here.

While I could step down to a 15 or 16" wheel, I do tow from time to time, and would rather have less sidewall for those days. I realize you can't have the best of both worlds. It seems like 17" is just $$$ between both the tires and wheels.

I'm open to any and all suggestions. After reading this thread several times, the conclusion I've gathered is that the AEV Pintler and Savegre don't have the correct backspacing for anyone with a 33" 11" wide plus tire?
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go with that. you wont rub if you do a 33 or a 285
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Thanks Lee. Just a little confused. 285 or 33? My understanding (and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong) is the 285 is the width, which is like 11.22" in width. The 33" is covered by the 70 aspect ratio, which is really like 32.7".

Is it a safe bet that the largest tire I can run with stock fenders, no air dam, and 1.5" spring lift on Pintlers is a 285/70r17?

One thing I like about these is they are available in D's, which shouldn't be that rough on road like an E, but should tow a lot better than a C? Just can't get over how much more 17's cost. 80 bucks a tire more!
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285 75 17 or 33 12.5 is what i meant.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:41 AM   #368
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Would it be safe to say that...
I could use Toyo Open Country 35x12.5x17 with stock rims and Spidertrax spacers?

I got a killer deal on the tires and would like to know before I buy if this can be done without any rubbing...

please let me know ASAP
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Thanks Lee.
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Wheel spacers

I want to staywith stock 18's with 295/65/18. The question I have is do I need wheel spacers for the front and rear? I'm new at this any help would be appreciated.
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I want to staywith stock 18's with 295/65/18. The question I have is do I need wheel spacers for the front and rear? I'm new at this any help would be appreciated.
Dan,
295's will definitely rub if you dont use spacers on the stock wheels. If you go with different wheels, you can get wheels with an offset of -12 (backspacing 4.5) and get by without rubbing. Mine are 295/65/18's as well and would rub for sure if it wasnt for the 4.5 backspacing of my wheels. Maybe smaller 265 tires would be better. i know theres no 285 so a 275 would still possibly rub.

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I dont meant to sound rude or anything and this is my first post. I have a 07 JK on 17" Sahara Rims. I want some bigger tires (currently running 265/65/17's) and i'm looking at 275/75/17. I have no spacers but i have a 2.5" Rough Country Lift with Shocks. Could i get these tires?
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In reading this entire thread I haven't seen anyone comment on the performance difference when going from a stock 225/75R16 (29x8.86-16) to 285/70R17 (33x11.22-17) tires (Nitto Terra Grapplers in my case) on a '12 JK with 6-speed manual and 3.21 gears.

Mostly on road with some beach and hunting club trails thrown in for now. I enjoy trail rides but not deep mud.

Any input?
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I went from 16" stock to a 17/75/255 BFG mt with stock 321 6-sp 2012 no problems.
Get a aev pro cal to set up speedometer.
If you go to a 33" tire you may want to re gear to 373
Rpm goes down with larger tires at a given speed
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i just got a 15x8 rim and was wondering what is an equivalent size to 33" tires by 12.5 or 10 thank you
tires in the old float sizes are measured in inches so for you a 33/1250R15 or even a 35/1250R15 if you have a 2-3" lift on it. you won't find a metric equivalent tire in 15".
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Thanks but

Ok i am a bit slow to this and the guys at town fair tire arent the greatest help.. I want for my tires to come past flairs by 4 inches or so... So currently i have 255 70 17 tires ... So if i go with a rim that has 4.6 back spacing and a something greater than a 285 65 17 would i accomplish this look???? Thanks



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one of the most frequently asked questions on this forum is “what's the largest tire i can fit on my stock/unlifted 07+ jk?”. So, i put this post together that can either be made a sticky, or something that we can link to whenever this question arises.

Have to give thanks to kbwwolf for proof-reading and making a few tweaks here and there. Thanks bro!

First things first. Jeeps come stock with 3 different tire sizes:
1. 225/75/16 (29”x9”)
2. 255/75/17 (32”x10”)
3. 255/70/18 (32”x10”).

The backspacing on stock jk wheels is 6.25". That means that the mounting surface of the wheel is 6.25” from the rear lip of the wheel. The larger the backspace number, the further under the fender (and closer to suspension components and airdam) the wheel will be. (see below image)


i see posts all the time saying that a 33” tire will fit the stock jk just fine, and that is semi-true. In reality, this question requires a 2 part answer. The first part deals with tire diameter. The second part deals with width.

It is true that the largest diameter tire you can fit on a stock jk without issue (read on) is 33” in diameter. With this diameter, you shouldn’t have any issues on the street. However, you could get some contact with your fenders if you flex offroad. Disconnecting your front sway bar will cause contact with your fenders.

Now let’s take a look at tire width. People often overlook this aspect when choosing a tire. The width on most 33's range from 10” – 12.5”+.

on stock wheels
the largest tire you can fit without a chance of problems on road is a 33x10 tire (also called a “pizza cutter”). An example is the 255/80/17 bfg km2. Because this tire is the same width as most stock jk tires, there is no issue on road, despite the larger diameter. You can run this size without issue.

Now, let’s consider some tires that could potentially cause slight issues on road; the 33x11s. The common sizes of these would be 285/75/16, 285/70/17, and 275/70/18.

The 275/70/18 measures slightly under 11” wide, while the other two measure a little over. Many folks have reported running these sizes without issue. However, others have experienced contact with the airdam or front suspension components. Simple fixes are to add washers to the steering stops, trim the airdam, or install wheel spacers.

Any tire larger than 11” in width, you are almost guaranteed to have to do one of the above mentioned mods. In fact, if you go too much wider than the 11” tire on stock wheels, you stand a good chance of making contact with your rear swaybar end link. If that is the case, wheel spacers can correct this issue. Common sizes are 295/70/17 (33x11.6), 305/60/17 (33x12), 305/70/16 (33x12), 295/65/18 (33x11.6).

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as i mentioned initially, the stock wheels have a backspacing of 6.25”. This is too deep of a backspace to allow proper clearance for a decently wide tire. The general consensus is that the “magic number” for backspacing for the jk is 4.5” or less. It does not mean you can't run a wheel with 4.6”+. But 4.5” and under is the safest bet.

Many 15” wheels have less (sometimes a lot less) than 4.5”. That's so the wheel clears the brake calipers. Most 15” wheels come with 3.75” of backspacing (mb72, mb tko, etc). There are a few that come with more (such as the black rock 909 – 4”) and some that come with less (such as the level 8 tracker – 3.32”). Just remember, the lower the backspace number, the further out the wheel will sit from the jeep body. One of the most common wheel/tire combos on this site is the 15x8 mb 72 wheel with 33x12.5x15 duratrac tires. Dozens of people run this setup without a single issue on the street. However, just like most of the other 33” combinations, you can get some fender contact when offroad.

Also, be aware that, while many 15" alloy wheels will fit over the wrangler's brake calipers, most 15" steel wheels will not.

Once you get into 16”+ wheels, it's pretty easy to select a wheel with a backspace near 4.5”. The most common 33” tire to run with 16” aftermarket wheel is the 285/75/16. A common tire size for the 17” wheel is the 285/70/17.

Links of interest:
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Could i run wrangler authority's 265/75/r16's on my stock 2007 jk without any rub or issues on the stock rims too
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Bushwacker Flat fenders

I bought a Tera Flex leveling kit 2" in front & 1" in the back. I also have the Bushwacker Flat fenders. I'm looking for tires & rims(17x9 Micky thompson Side Biters) & 35x11.9 or 33x12.5 Micky thompsonn MTZ tires. Question is will the small amount of lift, with the flat fenders alow me to fit the 35's with out any rubbing. I know I'll have to cut my rock guard down 1" & trim my pinch seam, but is that all?
Thanks anyone, never got a response on the MW3 thread after 2 posts?
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Awesome thread. I've spent the better part of the day poring over it and think it narrowed down my questions.

I have a stock JK with the Sport S package - meaning I'm riding 17's currently. The leveling kit is on my list of possibilities, but I don't want to do a lift kit more than that. This is my DD that I take off road once a month or so (wish it was more often!).

Here's the plan:
285/70R17 Duratracs - seems to be the most commonly recommended and well-liked tire and size for performance on and off road, including various weather scenarios.

As for wheels:
My top choice would be the AEV Savegre - but I don't know if I can swing the cost with the Duratracs as well. AEV Conversions 20403002AA - AEV 17x8.5 Savegre Wheel for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec
Second/third choice is between the ProComp/Black Rock. I'm leaning more toward the Black Rock, since they actually have a 4.5" BS instead of 4.75", and I'm more partial to the 17x8 instead of 17x9 look.
Black Rock Wheels 908B785045 - Black Rock Series 908B Yuma Alloy Wheel in Matte Black with 5x5 Bolt Pattern in 17x8 Size & 4.5" Backspacing - Quadratec
Pro Comp 7069-7973 - PRO COMP Series 7069 1-Piece Flat Black Finish Alloy Wheel with 5x5 Bolt Pattern in 17x9 Size & 4.75" Backspacing - Quadratec

So the most likely package as of now is the 17x8 w/4.5" BS Black Rocks with the 285/70R17 Duratracs. From what I've read and (hope) understand, there shouldn't be an issue with rubbing, and this will be a good setup for my primary usage.

Just looking for a second opinion basically - I'm still wrapping my head around all the numbers, conversions, and options.

Thanks in advance!
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Let's see if I can take a shot at answering some of the outstanding questions here . . . .

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Could i run wrangler authority's 265/75/r16's on my stock 2007 jk without any rub or issues on the stock rims too
Yes. Those are only 32x10.5" tires. No problem.

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Ok i am a bit slow to this and the guys at town fair tire arent the greatest help.. I want for my tires to come past flairs by 4 inches or so... So currently i have 255 70 17 tires ... So if i go with a rim that has 4.6 back spacing and a something greater than a 285 65 17 would i accomplish this look???? Thanks
Four inches past the flares? That's enormous. You want your jeep to be 8" wider? (Four inches on each side?) No, the tires you've found would definitely not accomplish that look.

However, your tires will in fact protrude past the flares if you have an 8" wide wheel with 4.6" of backspacing and (as you've identified) an 11" wide tire. But not by 4".

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In reading this entire thread I haven't seen anyone comment on the performance difference when going from a stock 225/75R16 (29x8.86-16) to 285/70R17 (33x11.22-17) tires (Nitto Terra Grapplers in my case) on a '12 JK with 6-speed manual and 3.21 gears.
Just about any 33s are going to be okay on a 2012+ jeep. Ideally, you'd have 3.73 gears and ideally you'd pick a lighter weight tire, but I think you'll be alright. It's subjective of course--what's okay for me might not be for you--but I think you'll be fine. Just maybe consider a lighterweight tire.

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I bought a Tera Flex leveling kit 2" in front & 1" in the back. I also have the Bushwacker Flat fenders. I'm looking for tires & rims(17x9 Micky thompson Side Biters) & 35x11.9 or 33x12.5 Micky thompsonn MTZ tires. Question is will the small amount of lift, with the flat fenders alow me to fit the 35's with out any rubbing. I know I'll have to cut my rock guard down 1" & trim my pinch seam, but is that all?
Thanks anyone, never got a response on the MW3 thread after 2 posts?
You'll be fine. So long as you're willing to get new wheels, trim the pinch seam/rails, and put on flat flares, you can fit 35s without any lift. So if you add a leveling kit you'll definitely be all set. In fact, I'd expect 33s will look small with flat flares and a leveling kit.

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So the most likely package as of now is the 17x8 w/4.5" BS Black Rocks with the 285/70R17 Duratracs. From what I've read and (hope) understand, there shouldn't be an issue with rubbing, and this will be a good setup for my primary usage.
Yep, fine. No problems.
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If i did replace my tires with 265/75r16 how much gas mileage would i lose?
Right now i have the stocks which i think are 225/75r16's
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If i did replace my tires with 265/75r16 how much gas mileage would i lose?
Right now i have the stocks which i think are 225/75r16's
You really can't predict that stuff precisely, but I'd guess negligible. It's nearly a stock size--the sport s and Rubi come with 32x10s
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It will drop it a little but not much. The extra contact patch is minimal. What kills your mileage more than anything other than your right foot is unsprung weight. I'm on 33x 11.5 s and still get 22 MPG highway and 18 in town. My tires are Also lighter than stock rubi tires
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Hi all, I've read through alot of this thread, including the OP, and am almost certain I can get these rims and fit them with tires that will not rub. I say almost because I am a little unsure about the backspacing thing, and the tire width that these rims will cause. I have a stock 2007 Wrangler JK, and below are the specs for the rims I am looking at. I would love some confirmation/comments on this subject before I drop a bundle of money on a set of 5:

Dick Cepek DC Torque Alloy Wheel in Black
Size: 17 X 8.5, 5" backspacing

So, will I be able to use these rims, find chunky tires that will work with them, WITHOUT lifting or causing rubbing on highway driving, and without the wheels sticking out beyond the fender flares? I really hope so. These rims are beyond cool, so far beyond that the light from cool takes 10 years to reach them.
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Was actually looking at 3/4" spacers on quadratec, and think maybe i could use them to make those rims work if they won't fit. I would prefer not to, but if necessary then the 3/4" spacers look relatively easy to install. One way or another i want those rims, and they don't offer them any smaller than 17" for the 07 Wrangler.
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Ok, So after reading this thread, I am still confused. I found thse on craigslist.. 4 33-12.5-15 bfg all terrain is 12.5 width way to big for my completely stock jeep? i would be getting new rims to go with it. what would i have to do to get these to fit?
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Hi all, I've read through alot of this thread, including the OP, and am almost certain I can get these rims and fit them with tires that will not rub. I say almost because I am a little unsure about the backspacing thing, and the tire width that these rims will cause. I have a stock 2007 Wrangler JK, and below are the specs for the rims I am looking at. I would love some confirmation/comments on this subject before I drop a bundle of money on a set of 5:

Dick Cepek DC Torque Alloy Wheel in Black
Size: 17 X 8.5, 5" backspacing

So, will I be able to use these rims, find chunky tires that will work with them, WITHOUT lifting or causing rubbing on highway driving, and without the wheels sticking out beyond the fender flares? I really hope so. These rims are beyond cool, so far beyond that the light from cool takes 10 years to reach them.
If it helps, I have aftermarket wheels with 5.0 backspace and am running 295/70-18 Nitto Trail Grapplers with absolutely no rubbing any where. These tires are 34x11.5...
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well ALLRIGHT, thx for the good news mickeymeanie, thx for responding with your own experience on using rims with 5" backspacing. I am SOO psyched, picking up my Jeep in about an hour, and bringing my baby home!! And she will look *awesome* with the new wheels!!

btw, your ride is bad-ass, looks sweeeet!
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Here's the plan:
285/70R17 Duratracs - seems to be the most commonly recommended and well-liked tire and size for performance on and off road, including various weather scenarios.

So the most likely package as of now is the 17x8 w/4.5" BS Black Rocks with the 285/70R17 Duratracs. From what I've read and (hope) understand, there shouldn't be an issue with rubbing, and this will be a good setup for my primary usage.
Here is my '12 with P285/70-17 Nitto Terra Grapplers on Mickey Thompson Black Classic II's (17x9, 4.5" BS).











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well ALLRIGHT, thx for the good news mickeymeanie, thx for responding with your own experience on using rims with 5" backspacing. I am SOO psyched, picking up my Jeep in about an hour, and bringing my baby home!! And she will look *awesome* with the new wheels!!

btw, your ride is bad-ass, looks sweeeet!
Thanks! It's actually my wife's daily driver / mall crawler. I failed to mention that it's also lifted 2.5"... Pretty sure the tires would have been fine even without the lift. Worst case they might have rubbed the plastic skid plate on the front which can be easily trimmed... Possibly an issue off road as they would probably rub the fenders at full stuff. But, the 5" BS definitely works well with this size tire as far as rubbing any suspension components or the like.

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