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Old 03-19-2012, 04:04 PM   #31
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Wow . . . haven't ever bothered to click on this thread when it's linked to the daily, "How big of a tire . . ." thread, but I can see now this is quite well done.

Allow me to contribute my favorite tire size calculator, which is found here.

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Great post 4fit. Thanks for the info.

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Is it safe to put GY Duratrac 295/65-18 on stock 7.5 Sahara rim? GoodYear recommends rim width 8-10"? What could happen?
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:23 AM   #34
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Awesome stuff, Jeff.

Here are a couple other things that might help:

Tire Dimensions Made Simple - Discount Tire


How to convert offset to backspace:


Take offset, divide by 25.4, then add the overall rim width (rim width +1) divided by 2

so: for a 16x8 wheel with -27 mm offset:


-27mm / 25.4 = -1.06" + (((8"+1")/2)= 4.5") = 3.43" BS

So why does everyone keep referring to the stock 17x7.5in alloy rims with +45mm offset as a 6.25in backspace instead of 6in backspace?
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Is it safe to put GY Duratrac 295/65-18 on stock 7.5 Sahara rim? GoodYear recommends rim width 8-10"? What could happen?
Welcome to the forum. Those will fit fine, but you will need to run spacers with that wide of a tire on the stock wheels.
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Welcome to the forum. Those will fit fine, but you will need to run spacers with that wide of a tire on the stock wheels.
I like the stock 18" wheels and planing on using Spidertrax spacers. Is there any more recommended tire than the 295/65-18? I may want to switch to different wheels later but would like to stay in 18" rim size.
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I like the stock 18" wheels and planing on using Spidertrax spacers. Is there any more recommended tire than the 295/65-18? I may want to switch to different wheels later but would like to stay in 18" rim size.
If you like 18s and have the wallet to handle the tires, go for it. For fitting on the stock suspension, the 295/65/18 is about as big as I would go.
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So why does everyone keep referring to the stock 17x7.5in alloy rims with +45mm offset as a 6.25in backspace instead of 6in backspace?
Good question. Don't know the answer, though. Maybe the lip on the stock rim is fatter than 1"? Or a lot of us have been wrong about the bs, and it really is 6"?

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awesome. will be referencing this for sure.
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welcome to the forum. Those will fit fine, but you will need to run spacers with that wide of a tire on the stock wheels.
spacers what size???
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spacers what size???
Well, the best spacers are generally considered SpiderTrax, which are 1.5". That effectively takes the backspacing of the stock wheels to the 4.75" range, which should clear most any width tire except for the huge ones.
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well, the best spacers are generally considered spidertrax, which are 1.5". That effectively takes the backspacing of the stock wheels to the 4.75" range, which should clear most any width tire except for the huge ones.
:nice.i have 1.5" spacer already:d
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First of all.....great sticky "Largest tire on stock JK? Here's your answer!". Thanks.

I'm new, and my head is spinning just a bit after reading posts for 2 hours.
I'm looking for a little assurance and a little education on wheels / tires.

I have 2012 Unlimited Sport w/ max tow package, limited slip, and 3.73 rear axle ratio (not sure if that matters). Completely Stock.

My tire of choice is the Duratrac. I'm not necessarily looking for the largest tire that fits. I'll trade maxing the size for fewer potential headaches. I am interested in switching out the wheels also.

The duratrac size that seems most recommended is 285/70 R17.

With wheels, if I understand correctly, I should look for something with a 4.5" backspace.

For staying close to stock, is that the best configuration of tire/wheel?
Other than the backspace, are there any other wheel measurements I should look for?

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Duratracs also come in:
245/70 R17
245/75 R17
265/70 R17
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The 285/70/17 will be basically equivalent to a 33x11 tire, so you will be going up in both diameter and width. But that tire is very common and is used by countless people. If I was going to stick with 17" wheels, it would definitely be the tire I would get. That being said, the 265/70/17 would also work, but would actually be going down a hair in diameter. Not something I would do personally.

As for tires, if you never plan on going with a wider tire than the 285, then you open up to a few more options as far as backspace is concerned. You could even go with something in the 5.5" range and be ok. But I would recommend something in the 4.5" range (or around 0 offset on a 8" wheel), because we all know you will eventually go wider. Lol.

Most 17s will either come in 8" or 9" width. Either will work for the 285, though the 8" will look a little meaner in my opinion because you will get a bit more sidewall bulge. Would also allow you to air down further and still keep a bead them the 9" wheel. But, either will work.

Here is my 16x8.5 and 285/75 setup, which specs out the same as a 17" setup with 285/70. TF leveling kit is also installed.


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I should probably note that the 285/75/17 will likely give you a little fender rubbing when offroad without a little bit of lift. For on road driving and with appropriately backspaced wheels, you won't have any issues.
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I should probably note that the 285/75/17....
^^Oops! Meant 285/70/17.
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Talking down to 16" or stay 17"

Thanks 4fit. If I use 16" wheels do I open up better options, in terms of avoiding fender rub, etc.? I'm more interested in the Duratrac tire than the wheel size.

My understanding from other posts is that keeping as close to possible to stock geometries keeps things simpler...no rubs, speedometer issues, braking issues, etc.. Is that true?

Would 16" wheels cause any unwanted issues?
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The 285/70/17 will be basically equivalent to a 33x11 tire, so you will be going up in both diameter and width. But that tire is very common and is used by countless people.
Great thread, 4fit.

If I understand this, the 285 would require both a lift and spacers to prevent rubbing on the stock wheels, right?

Still trying to wrap my head around all these numbers...

Thanks.
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Thanks 4fit. If I use 16" wheels do I open up better options, in terms of avoiding fender rub, etc.? I'm more interested in the Duratrac tire than the wheel size.

My understanding from other posts is that keeping as close to possible to stock geometries keeps things simpler...no rubs, speedometer issues, braking issues, etc.. Is that true?

Would 16" wheels cause any unwanted issues?
Fender rubbing is not dependant entirely on the wheel, but on the tire you put on the wheel. If you go up to a 33" tire, you are going to stand the chance of a bit of fender rub offroad. That's just how it is. A simple leveling kit like I have ($120 shipped) will help to avoid some contact, though you still may get a little rub on the rear fender in really flexy situations.

Are you looking to do zero lift and how much are you planning to offroad?
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Great thread, 4fit.

If I understand this, the 285 would require both a lift and spacers to prevent rubbing on the stock wheels, right?

Still trying to wrap my head around all these numbers...

Thanks.
On stock wheels, the 285 would require either spacers or a couple washers on your steering stops. The stock wheels with their obscene backspacing just keep the tire tucked too far under there to allow for a much wider tire than stock. However, there have been a few reports of people having no issues with 285s on stock wheels/suspension. Those reports are far out numbered by folks who have to do spacers or washers tho.

In flexy situations, some fender contact could defintely happen without a bit of lift. If you disconnect the front sway bar then it is pretty much guaranteed. But for on road use and light offroading, the 285 generally works just fine for most.

Keep in mind that it isn't the "285" part that causes the fender rubbing issue. Its the "70" part. That number is what determines the sidewall height and therefore the overall diameter of the tire. But in general, when someone speaks of the 285 series tire in regards to a Jeep, they are generally talking about 33" tires. But just wanted to throw that out there for sake of disclosure.
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On stock wheels, the 285 would require either spacers or a couple washers on your steering stops. The stock wheels with heir obscene backspacing just keep the tire tucked too far under there to allow for a much wider tire than stock. However, there have been a few reports of people having no issues with 285s on stock wheels/suspension. Those reports are far out numbered by folks who have to do spacers or washers tho.

In flexy situations, some fender contact could defintely happen without a bit of lift. If you disconnect the front sway bar then it is pretty much guaranteed. But for on road use and light offroading, the 285 generally works just fine for most.
Thank you for clarifying... now if the 285s weren't so darn heavy (53lbs.)

I guess that's why changing the wheels is so popular.

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Thank you for clarifying... now if the 285s weren't so darn heavy (53lbs.)

I guess that's why changing the wheels is so popular.

Hell, my 285s are 62lbs! Total wheel/tire combo clicks in at 86lbs. Now that I have adjusted my driving habits a bit, I routinely get around 16.8-17.0 mpg. I have not used a procal or anything, so I know those numbers are a bit off. But they should be off to the good. Meaning that I didn't lose quite as much as I am showing.
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Hell, my 285s are 62lbs! Total wheel/tire combo clicks in at 86lbs. Now that I have adjusted my driving habits a bit, I routinely get around 16.8-17.0 mpg. I have not used a procal or anything, so I know those numbers are a bit off. But they should be off to the good. Meaning that I didn't lose quite as much as I am showing.
Woah. That's the weight I've found for the Moabs with SR/As.

What gearing/trans do you have?

I've got 3.21s and a manual so I'm trying to stay reasonably close to stock weight, which I know I can't but don't want to go too far up the scales.
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Woah. That's the weight I've found for the Moabs with SR/As.

What gearing/trans do you have?

I've got 3.21s and a manual so I'm trying to stay reasonably close to stock weight, which I know I can't but don't want to go too far up the scales.
3.73 and auto. Love my setup, so the weight was worth it for me.
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Fender rubbing is not dependant entirely on the wheel, but on the tire you put on the wheel. If you go up to a 33" tire, you are going to stand the chance of a bit of fender rub offroad. That's just how it is. A simple leveling kit like I have ($120 shipped) will help to avoid some contact, though you still may get a little rub on the rear fender in really flexy situations.

Are you looking to do zero lift and how much are you planning to offroad?
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Thanks 4Fit.

This is primarily a day to day driver with light to moderate trails (no rock crawling) every other weekend or so.

My concern with a lift (or anything to far from stock) is mostly warranty related. Sad, I know. This jeep needs to stay comfortably under the extended warranty. Although I've read a lot about Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and most say not to worry, I've also read some stories about how one bad service manager can flag your jeep and you spend the next year fighting it out with Chrysler.
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Great post, 4fit!

After a lot research, and several reads of this threads, here's what I'm getting priced out today.

295/65R18E Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac

18X9 KMC XD Series Addict Black Painted
Offset, -12MM
Backspacing, 4.52"
Bolt Pattern, 5-127
Rec Tire Size, 255/60/18
Weight, 27.4 lbs.

Thoughts? Any backspacing required? Any rubbing? After seeing the pictures of your Jeep 4fit, I'm trying to get a sense of how far out these tires will sit outside the wheel wells.

Like the others who have posted here, just looking for comments/critiques before I pull the trigger.

In advance, thanks!

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Great post, 4fit!

After a lot research, and several reads of this threads, here's what I'm getting priced out today.

295/65R18E Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac

18X9 KMC XD Series Addict Black Painted
Offset, -12MM
Backspacing, 4.52"
Bolt Pattern, 5-127
Rec Tire Size, 255/60/18
Weight, 27.4 lbs.

Thoughts? Any backspacing required? Any rubbing? After seeing the pictures of your Jeep 4fit, I'm trying to get a sense of how far out these tires will sit outside the wheel wells.

Like the others who have posted here, just looking for comments/critiques before I pull the trigger.

In advance, thanks!

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Welcome to the forum!!!

That combo should work well. That tire specs out to basically a 33x11.5 tire. As far as the bolded part above, the backspacing is a measurement from the mounting surface of the wheel to the rear lip. Your wheels have a backspacing of 4.52", which is considered optimal. So you will be just fine.

You may get a little rubbing offroad in flex, but you will be fine on road.

However, if it were me, I would personally go with 17x9" Addicts instead of 18" and go with the 285/70/17 Duratrac (33x11). They will be cheaper (wheels and tires), give you more sidewall, and just look better IMO. The 285 Duratrac would be a little bit skinnier than the 295 (roughly .5"). The 17" tire is also a load range D as compared to the 18" load range E. That doesn't seem to matter a whole lot though as there are several folks running E range tires with no issues to report. I personally run a D.

Anyhow, great choice on wheels! Those are absolutely my most favorite wheel to put on a JK. If they weren't so damn expensive, that is exactly what would be on mine.
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4fit - Your post would probably be extraordinarily helpful, if I knew anything about tires. Normally I have my father deal with all the car things.

I have a 07' Wrangler unlimited sahara. I do NOT want to deal with a lift right now. My stock rims are 18". I do not have the budget right now to mess around with buying new rims (although I'd love black ones, I wil most likely just have them painted black for right now). What BRAND of mudd tire, if any, would fit my stock 18" rims without rubbing? Any? No place around here knows anything, including the Jeep dealership. THANKS FOR yOUR HELP
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4fit - Your post would probably be extraordinarily helpful, if I knew anything about tires. Normally I have my father deal with all the car things.

I have a 07' Wrangler unlimited sahara. I do NOT want to deal with a lift right now. My stock rims are 18". I do not have the budget right now to mess around with buying new rims (although I'd love black ones, I wil most likely just have them painted black for right now). What BRAND of mudd tire, if any, would fit my stock 18" rims without rubbing? Any? No place around here knows anything, including the Jeep dealership. THANKS FOR yOUR HELP
Welcome to the forum!

Brand is up to you, but you would need to look into something like a 275/60/18 (32x10.8) or 275/65/18 (closer to 33x10.8). The 275/60 will be very close to stock diameter, but will be close to a full inch wider. Because of this, you shouldn't get any rubbing when articulating since the tire is very close to stock height. However, the added width may require the use of a washer or two on your steering stops or the addition of wheel spacers. With the 275/65, you would most likely get a little rubbing of the fenders when flexing offroad, but on road should be fine.

That being said, if you look at the prices of most of the highly regarded mud tires in the 18" rim size, you may quickly decide that stepping down to a 15" or 16" rim and tire can be done for the same or less money than just the 18" tires. This becomes almost guaranteed if you decide you need spacers because that throws an additional $200 to the cost of the tires.
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First, awesome thread.

Let me see if I got this...tire sizes of 285/70/17 could allow contact in off-road conditions mounted on stock 17" wheels and 1.5" spacers or 17"x8" aftermarket wheels with 4.75" backspacing.

Wouldn't that make the largest tire size a 275/70/17 without any lift or body modification on the wheels noted above to avoid contact on or off-road on the JK?

Next, the follow on question for me how much does load range and sidewall stiffness effect on and off-road capability? My thought here is, load range C is a more compliant tire than a D or E. Does that give me any appreciable advantage when airing down when off road? D and E Tires definitely have a stiffer ride on road due to the recommended tire pressures each has combined with comparative lightness of a jeep to heavier SUVs and Pickups for which the higher load ranges are designed.

I am looking for some advice before spending the $2K on Wheels and Tires for my new JK.

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