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Old 03-30-2012, 08:52 AM   #61
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First, awesome thread.

Let me see if I got this...tire sizes of 285/70/17 could allow contact in off-road conditions mounted on stock 17" wheels and 1.5" spacers or 17"x8" aftermarket wheels with 4.75" backspacing.

Wouldn't that make the largest tire size a 275/70/17 without any lift or body modification on the wheels noted above to avoid contact on or off-road on the JK?
I guess you could look at it that way. However, the 275/70 is only .2" taller than stock and .8" wider. Not worth the price of admission in my opinion, and probably 99% of the folks reading this thread.

On road, the 285/70 will not have any issues if you use the wheels setups you mentioned. Yes, the 285/70 could cause a little contact with the fenders when offroad. Here is a pic of a JK on 33s sitting on rear bumpstop. You can see that it is damn close to that fender and, if hit or dropped just right, would probably make a little contact.


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Next, the follow on question for me how much does load range and sidewall stiffness effect on and off-road capability? My thought here is, load range C is a more compliant tire than a D or E. Does that give me any appreciable advantage when airing down when off road? D and E Tires definitely have a stiffer ride on road due to the recommended tire pressures each has combined with comparative lightness of a jeep to heavier SUVs and Pickups for which the higher load ranges are designed.

I am looking for some advice before spending the $2K on Wheels and Tires for my new JK.
I'll let someone with a little more education is load ranges chime in here. But I use a load range D tire with no issues. kbwwolf and JIMBOX both use load range E tires with no issues. Is the ride a bit stiffer with my D Falkens than a C Duratrac? Probably so. But the difference would be negligible IMO.

As for tire pressure, most people run 28-30 psi in their 33" Duratracs. I run 31 in my Falkens and will probably take it down to 30.

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As I said before awesome thread. Thanks for the information and hosting this discussion.

The picture sold me, close, but no apparent contact in the photo. Plus the 33" looks better! There also appears to be more choices available for the 285/70/17 as well, which is another plus.

Based on the comments on load range, It does not seem to create enough difference to make it a concern when purchasing.

Once my 12' jeep is delivered, the first purchase will be tires and wheels. I'll post a pic when I get them on the rig. Step 2 will be to sell the stock wheels and tires.

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Excellent thread,

4fit, where do you stand on this combo

wheel size 17x8
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Tire 255/80R17 (33x10) bfg km2

Trying to wheel the setup, concerned about the backspace pushing this thin tire out far enough to hit the fender under flex.

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Looking at the pic below (255/80/17 on stock wheels no lift), it looks like there would be enough clearance under flex, and this is disconnected. However, I can not guarantee that as I have no experience with that size tire. There are a few threads over at JK-F that might give you some info.
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Welcome to the forum!!!

That combo should work well. That tire specs out to basically a 33x11.5 tire. As far as the bolded part above, the backspacing is a measurement from the mounting surface of the wheel to the rear lip. Your wheels have a backspacing of 4.52", which is considered optimal. So you will be just fine.

You may get a little rubbing offroad in flex, but you will be fine on road.

However, if it were me, I would personally go with 17x9" Addicts instead of 18" and go with the 285/70/17 Duratrac (33x11). They will be cheaper (wheels and tires), give you more sidewall, and just look better IMO. The 285 Duratrac would be a little bit skinnier than the 295 (roughly .5"). The 17" tire is also a load range D as compared to the 18" load range E. That doesn't seem to matter a whole lot though as there are several folks running E range tires with no issues to report. I personally run a D.

Anyhow, great choice on wheels! Those are absolutely my most favorite wheel to put on a JK. If they weren't so damn expensive, that is exactly what would be on mine.
Well, it looks like the 295/65/18 Duratrac are on back-order with no timeline for delivery! Any other suggestions for a tire that rolls 18" rims? Tirerack.com was trying to get me to bite on a 275/70/18. Thoughts?
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Well, it looks like the 295/65/18 Duratrac are on back-order with no timeline for delivery! Any other suggestions for a tire that rolls 18" rims? Tirerack.com was trying to get me to bite on a 275/70/18. Thoughts?
The 275/70 will work fine. That specs out to 33.2 x 10.8.
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the 33 inches is fine, but its the backspacing that concerns me, if you take a 33x10 tire and backspace it 6.25 inches, its in the wheel well and behind the fender under articulation.

Once you push that same tire out 2 inches with 4.5 backspace, will it hit the edge of the fender? I think the pics of the 255/80 are on jeeps with no backspacing.
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the 33 inches is fine, but its the backspacing that concerns me, if you take a 33x10 tire and backspace it 6.25 inches, its in the wheel well and behind the fender under articulation.

Once you push that same tire out 2 inches with 4.5 backspace, will it hit the edge of the fender? I think the pics of the 255/80 are on jeeps with no backspacing.
Yeah, I understand what your concern is. I posted that pic so you could see how far it tucks into the fender with the stock wheels (6.25" bs). You can sorta get a feel for how they would be on lesser backspaced wheels just by picturing the tire out a bit further.

I can't seem to locate any pics of 255/80/17s under flex with either wheel spacers or new wheels, but here are a couple stationary pics. Maybe they will help a bit.

These are on stock wheels with 1.5" Spidertrax spacers (so equivalent to 4.75" bs).


These are ProComp 7005, so they are either 17x8 with 4.5" bs or 17x9 with 4.75" bs. However, this also has a TF leveling kit installed, so not really a fair comparison to stock, but thought I would post it up anyways.


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New Jeep Owner - lift and tire question

If this question has already been answered, please forgive the repetitive question. I didn't see it, and I thought I could use some assistance in determining the right course of action. I am the proud owner a 2012 Wrangler Unlimited with stock 17's. I would like to put a 2" lift on it and 1.5" spacers (to increase the width of the stance) What would be the best size tire to put on, as I think the stock tire will look a bit too small...
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Do you wanna keep the stock wheels??
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If this question has already been answered, please forgive the repetitive question. I didn't see it, and I thought I could use some assistance in determining the right course of action. I am the proud owner a 2012 Wrangler Unlimited with stock 17's. I would like to put a 2" lift on it and 1.5" spacers (to increase the width of the stance) What would be the best size tire to put on, as I think the stock tire will look a bit too small...
Welcome to the forum. A 285/70/17 would be a good choice. That is a 33x11 tire and is a very common one. They will clear just fine with the wheel spacers on the stock wheels.

However, depending on which tire you go with, you could likely get 15" or even 16" wheels AND tires for close to the same price as the tires and spacers for the stock 17s.
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Hey 4fit! I can't thank you enough for all your help. Here are some pictures of the the 275/70/18 Duratracs and 18X9 KMC XD Series Monsters.









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Hey 4fit! I can't thank you enough for all your help. Here are some pictures of the the 275/70/18 Duratracs and 18X9 KMC XD Series Monsters.

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Good post. I am new to the Jeep world and would like advice as to tires and BB or lift. I will get my 2012 rubicon in two weeks. I would like to enhance the look and performance but will mainly drive on road with some off road driving. I am thinking 33x12.5 tires and using the stock 17" wheels for now. Can you recommend descent tires and lift?
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Good post. I am new to the Jeep world and would like advice as to tires and BB or lift. I will get my 2012 rubicon in two weeks. I would like to enhance the look and performance but will mainly drive on road with some off road driving. I am thinking 33x12.5 tires and using the stock 17" wheels for now. Can you recommend descent tires and lift?
Welcome to the forum and to Jeep ownership!

If you want to use your stock wheels, that is perfectly fine. But keep in mind that to run something like a 12.5" tire, you are going to need to install wheel spacers. A quality pair, such as 1.5" Spidertrax, is going to run you about $200 for the set. Add that to the already high cost of 17" rubber, and you may decide that it is the same cost, or possibly cheaper, to just get new wheels in a 15" or 16" diameter and matching tires.

If you decide you want to go to different wheels/tires sizes, just reply back and we can recommend some setups that will work well. But for now, I'm going to offer up a few suggestions for the stock 17s since that is what you mentioned.

There really aren't a ton of choices out there in the 33x12.50x17 tire. Here are the ones offered by Discount Tire (remember, forum members get a $50 discount on any set of 5 tires through DTD. ) ). Of course, there are other choices out there than just those. For instance, I know that Dick Cepek makes a few different models in that size as well Mickey Thompson and others. However, since you will mainly be doing road duty, I would probably recommend something such as the 285/70/17 Goodyear Duratrac. It is a very aggressive looking AT tire that performs well in pretty much all conditions. Another choice would be the Falken Rocky Mountain ATS. At 33x11, the 285/70/17 is a little narrower than the 12.5. Keep in mind that you may still need to add wheel spacers or add washers to the steering stops to prevent rubbing even on the 285 tire with the stock wheels.

As for the lift, you could get by on road without any issues, but you would most likely get some rubbing on the fender during articulation, especially if you disconnect the sway bar. Something as simple as a leveling kit (lifts 2" front, 1" rear) would work well or you could look into a larger lift such as a 2.5" budget boost or coil lift. All depends on your budget, if you plan to add weight to the rig (bumpers, armor, winch, etc), and your planned usage.

Just for example sake, here is my rig on 285/75/16 Falken Rocky Mountains (same specs as 285/70/17) with the Teraflex leveling kit. This whole setup (lift, wheels, and tires) cost me $1,695.
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Thank you so much. Nice looking Jeep and good color. I had spoke to a local 4x4 shop yesterday as well and they respnded today. They said an option would be to do either 2" BDS Spacer/Shocks (700.00) or 3" Spring/Shocks (1k). They said an option for tires would be the Nitto 33x12.50x17. I have a set of stock Rubicon wheels that are powdercoated in black already and that is the main reason I was going to stay with them. The reason for the 12.50 is to get a bit wider look. I am adding a Hanson mid size front bumpers, JW Speaker LED 8700 Headlamps and LED pencil beams to mount on the bumper. If I can do one thing at a time would it be best to do a leveling kit, BB, springs or would you do tires? What is the best/cost for value approach in your opinion?
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Thank you so much. Nice looking Jeep and good color. I had spoke to a local 4x4 shop yesterday as well and they respnded today. They said an option would be to do either 2" BDS Spacer/Shocks (700.00) or 3" Spring/Shocks (1k). They said an option for tires would be the Nitto 33x12.50x17. I have a set of stock Rubicon wheels that are powdercoated in black already and that is the main reason I was going to stay with them. The reason for the 12.50 is to get a bit wider look. I am adding a Hanson mid size front bumpers, JW Speaker LED 8700 Headlamps and LED pencil beams to mount on the bumper. If I can do one thing at a time would it be best to do a leveling kit, BB, springs or would you do tires? What is the best/cost for value approach in your opinion?
Quite a few folks run BDS and from what I can tell, they are pretty good quality lifts. If you plan to add weight to the rig (bumpers, armor, etc), then I would lean towards a coil lift over a spacer lift. The new coils will handle the added weight much better than the stock coils.

However, I would urge you to do the lift yourself and save on the labor. Get together with a few local Jeepers and have a lift install party. You supply the beers and grub, and they lend a hand on the install.

I would encourage you to look into something such as the Teraflex 2.5" coil lift, Rock Krawler Stock Mod, etc, and not just direct all of your attention to BDS.

Regarding the tires, keep in mind that most Nittos are pretty good tires, but they are some of the heaviest ones out there and they are known to get quite loud (mud grapplers especially)! They will impact your MPG and performance more than a lighter tire would. And don't forget the 1.5" wheel spacers.

As for what to do first, that is entirely up to you. You can go with the tires and spacers first and just keep it easy when offroad, or you can go with the lift first and tires later.
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Thanks again. Big help to a Newb. Your advice is appreciated. I have researched the Teraflex 2.5" and looked at some sites like High Country and will go with a coil lift over spacer regardless of lift brand.
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Thanks again. Big help to a Newb. Your advice is appreciated. I have researched the Teraflex 2.5" and looked at some sites like High Country and will go with a coil lift over spacer regardless of lift brand.
For the TF 2.5" coil lift, give Northridge 4x4 a call. They will sell you the kit with Bilstein shocks for $775.
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4fit, don't suppose you've done a post on leveling kits?

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Based on adding the Hanson bumper and armor, I will go with the coil spring and either the 2.5" or 3" lift. As far as tire size, do you think the 285/70/17 height is good (appearance) even with a 3" or would you stick with a 2.5". I would like it to look nice and well as perform. Other option is a 285/75/17 to get a little more height but I am not sure if that is worth it or common. I would like to order the tires tomorrow so they can be put on the wheels when it gets delivered. Another Jeeper I met likes the 305/60/17s. Not sure but I think that is actually shorter in height but slightly wider. I want it to be much nicer looking and different than stock tire but not too big do to dd.
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DTD did an excellent job. Perfect fit. No lift.
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Based on adding the Hanson bumper and armor, I will go with the coil spring and either the 2.5" or 3" lift. As far as tire size, do you think the 285/70/17 height is good (appearance) even with a 3" or would you stick with a 2.5". I would like it to look nice and well as perform. Other option is a 285/75/17 to get a little more height but I am not sure if that is worth it or common. I would like to order the tires tomorrow so they can be put on the wheels when it gets delivered. Another Jeeper I met likes the 305/60/17s. Not sure but I think that is actually shorter in height but slightly wider. I want it to be much nicer looking and different than stock tire but not too big do to dd.
I would stick with a 2.5" lift. For the tires, the 285/70 would be fine, but a 285/75 or 295/70 would be slightly taller and probably look better in my opinion. Of course, it will impact your performance/mpg a little bit more as well.
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DTD did an excellent job. Perfect fit. No lift.
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They were there in my preview. I will repost. I do not see the pictures and albums link anywhere.
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i need new tires but dont want to kill my mileage. i want to stick with a 10in ish wide tire and my factory wheels no spacers. i need more traction too. the 255/80r17 is good but damn expensive.
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4fit - Do you see a problem with rubbing if I drive the Rubicon JKU with the 285/75/17s with 1.5" spacers on-road for a while before I get a chance to install the lift? Can't get help to install lift for a few weeks and worked a deal where the dealer will buy the stock tires if they are not driven on. Appreciate any feedback.

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