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Old 06-07-2012, 11:36 PM   #211
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What is the largest size tire that I can fit on a stock 08 jku sahara on 18" stock wheels I always here about the 17's but not 18's I'm wanting to keep the stock wheels for now but plan on lift later so I want the largest with no rubbing on street and maybe a little off road because I want flat fenders too so rubbing the fenders is no big deal?

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So if setting up for the road only for now one could do 285/70r17 on stock Rubicon rims with a few washers on each side to reduce steering? This article does not mention anything about rubbing at full turn: Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 285/70R17 Tires for Jeep Wrangler | jeepfan.com
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So if setting up for the road only for now one could do 285/70r17 on stock Rubicon rims with a few washers on each side to reduce steering? This article does not mention anything about rubbing at full turn: Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 285/70R17 Tires for Jeep Wrangler | jeepfan.com
Some people experience rubbing at full lock. Others don't. You can always put them on there and then see how it does. If it doesn't rub, great! If it does, just add a washer to the stops.

I didn't read all the way through that article you posted, but I did notice that it says that the stock JK wheels are 5.5" backspace, which is false. The stock 17" JK wheels have 6.25" backspace.
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Some people experience rubbing at full lock. Others don't. You can always put them on there and then see how it does. If it doesn't rub, great! If it does, just add a washer to the stops.

I didn't read all the way through that article you posted, but I did notice that it says that the stock JK wheels are 5.5" backspace, which is false. The stock 17" JK wheels have 6.25" backspace.
Thanks, just don't want to be stuck at a tire shop with new rubber on my stock wheels and not be able to drive it home.
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Thanks, just don't want to be stuck at a tire shop with new rubber on my stock wheels and not be able to drive it home.
You will be able to drive it fine. Just test out the turning at full lock in a flat area and when turning into a parking lot or driveway. If you get some rubbing, do the washer mod, wheel spacers, or new wheels.
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I know I'm pipe dreaming here but it sure would be nice if Jeep made the BS a little less with the new 2013 Rubicon wheels, just enough so a 33x11 tire could fit without problems.
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I know I'm pipe dreaming here but it sure would be nice if Jeep made the BS a little less with the new 2013 Rubicon wheels, just enough so a 33x11 tire could fit without problems.
I haven't been paying much attention to the 2013 developments, so that's the first time I've seen that wheel. Very interesting design.
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You will be able to drive it fine. Just test out the turning at full lock in a flat area and when turning into a parking lot or driveway. If you get some rubbing, do the washer mod, wheel spacers, or new wheels.
So now I've read about 2 different JKUs running 285/70r17 GY Duratracs on stock Rubicon wheels without wheel spacers and no mention of adding washers to limit steering. Both have installed the Teraflex leveling kit so not sure if that matters. Getting more confident about trying this myself when the 2013 JKUR comes in:

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I'm no stranger to testing the limits of what will fit without rubbing as I've run 33"x11.5" tires on my GMC 2500HD since new. Here's my experience with that:

Started with 285/75r16 on aftermkt wheels with less backspace and no lift. This resulted in needing to trim the front valence below the bumper, heat and reshape the inner wheel well lining and still got rubbing at full turn. Added the 2" leveling kit and it got better (had I done this first I may not have needed to trim the valence. The less BS did take a toll on my steering components as the additional leverage required to turn those big tires, also led to needing to replace my front driverside hub at only 30k miles. Sold those wheels/tires and got aftermkt Hummer H2 wheels with the same offset as the stock wheels only in a 17"x8.5" wheel and have been running 285/70r17 tires for the past 2+ years. Much less stress on steering components and the moan I used to have with the power steering is all but gone unless the air pressure is too low in the front tires. Note that all of this is on a HD Diesel truck so the weight on these front end components is huge compared to a Jeep but still I imagine less BS on the front wheels would lead to shorter lifespan of front ball joints and steering. The weight of the tire/wheel combo also has a dramatic effect as well, I was running the heavier combo (stock wheel tire was 61 lbs and current setup is 91 lbs) had to switch to Bilstein 5100 series shocks to get control of these behemoths and tire rotations is a real pain in the back. MPG for around town driving went through the floor where I once got 16-17 I now average 12-13, highway lost a little but not as much since once the weight of these gets moving it's OK. Now this is all with a powertrain that produces over 660 lbs of torque with 380hp, I imagine the heavy wheel/tire setups on Jeeps really bog them down in addition to killing mileage. If I had this all to do over again I'd likely go with the lightest wheel I could find with the proper load rating and BS as close to stock as I could get, live and learn. Oddly on the 2500HD 33's fit better on stock BS than aftermkt 4.5" BS wheels, this is due to most rubbing being caused by the outer edge of the tire instead of the inside like on the JK.
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So now I've read about 2 different JKUs running 285/70r17 GY Duratracs on stock Rubicon wheels without wheel spacers and no mention of adding washers to limit steering. Both have installed the Teraflex leveling kit so not sure if that matters. Getting more confident about trying this myself when the 2013 JKUR comes in:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/tir...ml#post2358511

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Like I said, it varies from user to user. Some get rubbing with 285s and some don't. If I remember correctly, rics had 285/70/17 MTR-Ks on his and ended up adding wheel spacers because he got a bit of rubbing.

I say slap them on there. If you get some rubbing, deal with it then. I'd you don't, great. Personally, I would do wheel spacers anyway cause I think the Jeep looks better with a wider stance.

Also, one thing to keep on mind is that we truly have Ni idea what the backspacing will be on the new wheels in the 2013. Wouldn't surprise me if it is the same atrocious backspacing that we have now, but we all may be in for a surprise.
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Like I said, it varies from user to user. Some get rubbing with 285s and some don't. If I remember correctly, rics had 285/70/17 MTR-Ks on his and ended up adding wheel spacers because he got a bit of rubbing.

I say slap them on there. If you get some rubbing, deal with it then. I'd you don't, great. Personally, I would do wheel spacers anyway cause I think the Jeep looks better with a wider stance.

Also, one thing to keep on mind is that we truly have Ni idea what the backspacing will be on the new wheels in the 2013. Wouldn't surprise me if it is the same atrocious backspacing that we have now, but we all may be in for a surprise.
I've read that the MTR-Ks are bigger than the Duratracs for the same size so that would make sense. Tirerack shows the MTR as a true 33" and the Duratrac at 32.8". The MTR is also 5 lbs heavier but likely more of a true offroad tire, think the Duratrac would be a better DD but still have some good offroad characteristics. I'd be surprised if there's any change in the BS with the new wheels but that sure would be a nice surprise if there was.
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I have a slightly different question but related. I am buying a 2012 Wrangler Rubicon. I don't want to lift and I am fine with the stock mud tires that come with it for now. What I want to do is change the wheels. Looking for a black matte type finish. What I don't know is what size wheel to get. I've seen some cool ones but they appear to be wide. I am very new to all this. Any thoughts someone might have would be greatly appreciated.

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I have a slightly different question but related. I am buying a 2012 Wrangler Rubicon. I don't want to lift and I am fine with the stock mud tires that come with it for now. What I want to do is change the wheels. Looking for a black matte type finish. What I don't know is what size wheel to get. I've seen some cool ones but they appear to be wide. I am very new to all this. Any thoughts someone might have would be greatly appreciated.

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A 17x8 wheel with 4.5" backspacing is what I would shoot for. A 17x9 would work as well, but I would prefer to have a little more sidewall bulge that the 10" tire in a 9" wheel would offer.

Of course, if you think you will never go any larger than the stock tires, then you could get a wheel with backspacing all the way up to the stock BS of 6.25". I wouldn't recommend that though. The Jeep will look better with the wheels/tires pushed out a little more than stock, not matter how wide the tire is.
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The stock Rubicon tire will work on a wheel with a width of 6.5-8.5. I'd suggest a minimum width of 7.5 since if you decide to go with a larger 285/70r17 tire someday that will still work. Most aftermkt 17" wheels are going to be 9" wide but there are a few 8" wide ones such as the Pro Comp 7005 Pro Comp Wheels 7005 Flat Black which is a flat black and they don't weigh anymore than the stock wheel (both around 25 lbs). Backspacing will put the tire further out but to most Jeep owners that's a good thing. This wheel would work well with both the stock BFG 255/75r17 (32" tire) or a bigger 285/70r17 (33" tire). It would even work with a 305/70r17 (34" tire) and be within spec. The 7005 has 4.5" backspace which most consider to be the ideal for the JK. Other options are out there but some are heavier and some are wider, haven't run across too many 8" wide 17" wheels.
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That's true. Most are 17x9. And that will be perfectly fine to run with the stock tires. As for 17x8s, many of the Black Rock and MB wheels are offered in that size, as well as some of the ATX wheels.

Here is a pic of a stock tire on a 17x9 wheel (MT Classic Locks in this case). Personally, I'm just not a fan of this look. Wheel lip and sidewall are just too flush for my liking. But that's just me.
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The stock Rubicon tire will work on a wheel with a width of 6.5-8.5. I'd suggest a minimum width of 7.5 since if you decide to go with a larger 285/70r17 tire someday that will still work. Most aftermkt 17" wheels are going to be 9" wide but there are a few 8" wide ones such as the Pro Comp 7005 Pro Comp Wheels 7005 Flat Black which is a flat black and they don't weigh anymore than the stock wheel (both around 25 lbs). Backspacing will put the tire further out but to most Jeep owners that's a good thing. This wheel would work well with both the stock BFG 255/75r17 (32" tire) or a bigger 285/70r17 (33" tire). It would even work with a 305/70r17 (34" tire) and be within spec. The 7005 has 4.5" backspace which most consider to be the ideal for the JK. Other options are out there but some are heavier and some are wider, haven't run across too many 8" wide 17" wheels.
Thanks. This is very helpful.
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Has anybody thought about a 275/70R17 on stock wheels?

In my endless search for the "right" tire in the "right" size, I've come across a Cooper Discoverer A/T3 in 275/70R17.

It specs out one inch wider and one tenth of an inch larger diameter than stock.

I don't know anything about the Cooper. Is it any good?

Do we think that size would rub?

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The stock Rubicon tire will work on a wheel with a width of 6.5-8.5. I'd suggest a minimum width of 7.5 since if you decide to go with a larger 285/70r17 tire someday that will still work. Most aftermkt 17" wheels are going to be 9" wide but there are a few 8" wide ones such as the Pro Comp 7005 Pro Comp Wheels 7005 Flat Black which is a flat black and they don't weigh anymore than the stock wheel (both around 25 lbs). Backspacing will put the tire further out but to most Jeep owners that's a good thing. This wheel would work well with both the stock BFG 255/75r17 (32" tire) or a bigger 285/70r17 (33" tire). It would even work with a 305/70r17 (34" tire) and be within spec. The 7005 has 4.5" backspace which most consider to be the ideal for the JK. Other options are out there but some are heavier and some are wider, haven't run across too many 8" wide 17" wheels.
I looked at the pro comp series 7005; that's exactly what I'm looking for. How do you think it would look with the stock Rubicon mud tire?
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I looked at the pro comp series 7005; that's exactly what I'm looking for. How do you think it would look with the stock Rubicon mud tire?
I'm sure it would look good, just make sure you order 17x8 as that wheel also comes in 17x9
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OK. Don't know if anyone is still following this thread. To refresh, I am about to take delivery of a 2012 Rubicon (2 door). My original intent was to use the stock mud tire on new wheels. To this end I purchased the Pro Comp Series 7005 wheels 17x8 based on recommendations in this thread. (Much appreciated dhad.). Now I am thinking about adding different tires as well. I am looking for big, chunky tires for the most aggressive look possible without having to lift. What size and brand would anyone recommend to do this given the wheels I have now purchased? I apologize if a similar question has been asked earlier. I am new to all of this and not really familiar with all of the terminology. I just know that I can't wait to this thing put together and get behind the wheel. I had no idea this whole world existed but I am rapidly becoming an addict!

Many thanks for your help.
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I am looking for big, chunky tires for the most aggressive look possible

I recommend Hershey Big Chunk.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I have no freakin Idea.
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OK. Don't know if anyone is still following this thread. To refresh, I am about to take delivery of a 2012 Rubicon (2 door). My original intent was to use the stock mud tire on new wheels. To this end I purchased the Pro Comp Series 7005 wheels 17x8 based on recommendations in this thread. (Much appreciated dhad.). Now I am thinking about adding different tires as well. I am looking for big, chunky tires for the most aggressive look possible without having to lift. What size and brand would anyone recommend to do this given the wheels I have now purchased? I apologize if a similar question has been asked earlier. I am new to all of this and not really familiar with all of the terminology. I just know that I can't wait to this thing put together and get behind the wheel. I had no idea this whole world existed but I am rapidly becoming an addict!

Many thanks for your help.
Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac is an excellent and popular option. BFG KM2 is another. Or the Kelly Safari TSRs.

The questions as to size are answered in the first post of this thread.
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I am looking for big, chunky tires for the most aggressive look possible

I recommend Hershey Big Chunk.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I have no freakin Idea.
Nice one JC. By the way, welcome to the Big XII from a proud Longhorn.
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Nice one JC. By the way, welcome to the Big XII from a proud Longhorn.
Thanks,Teddie, I hope we can make both of us proud! Who knows, maybe WVU and Texas will become a new rivalry!
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Thanks,Teddie, I hope we can make both of us proud! Who knows, maybe WVU and Texas will become a new rivalry!
I think that is a strong likelihood.
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Been away for a while on a Fathers Day camping trip with my youngest son and his scout pack.

Like MTH said, the Duratracs are a very aggressive looking all terrain tire. Definitely give them a look. Of course, you could go with something like Nitto Mud Grapplers if you really want a crazy aggressive tread. Just be prepared for the weight of those suckers and the effects they will have.
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Been away for a while on a Fathers Day camping trip with my youngest son and his scout pack.

Like MTH said, the Duratracs are a very aggressive looking all terrain tire. Definitely give them a look. Of course, you could go with something like Nitto Mud Grapplers if you really want a crazy aggressive tread. Just be prepared for the weight of those suckers and the effects they will have.
Many thanks. What type of effects will they have?

After stewing over this all weekend, I am starting to think I do want to put some kind of lift on the vehicle. Enough to put some wider tires on. My only concern is how high this will make the step up and how difficult it will be for my wife to get in. We got in a lifted unlimited and it was way too much of a step up for her. She is indulging what she can already see is going to be a major addiction for me so I am trying to be sensitive to her needs while getting the more aggressive look I am craving. With that said, a couple of newbie questions:

1) Does a 2" lift actually lift the entire vehicle 2"? It seems intuitive but I feel compelled to ask under the theory there are no dumb questions.

2) What would you recommend for a fairly modest lift in terms of inches and tire size? Recall, I have already purchased the Pro Comp 7005's in the 17x8 size.

Thanks very much for indulging me. I have a lot to learn but this is a lot of fun!
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A 2" leveling kit, like the one from Teraflex, adds 2" of spacers up front and 1" in the rear. With this you should be able to run 33" tires (285/70r17), heck with aftermkt rims like you have you could run 33" tires if you're staying on the pavement though I've only read this in this thread and not tried it. If you disconnect offroad you may or may not get up into your fenders with this size tire with only the 2" leveling kit so some modify their fenders http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/diy...rs-166489.html. For serious offroading I think the 33" guys go with a 2.5" coil lift with new shocks. In theory the 2" leveling kit should add 2" up front and 1" in the rear, they are simply spacers of exact measurement, coil lifts vary depending on the weight of the vehicle (bumpers/winches...)

I'll be putting 33x12.5x15 on my wife's 2007 Rubicon this summer, will initially start with no lift to see what rubs and where then plan to add the 2" TF leveling kit and also chop the front bumper for a stubby RC kit. Likely will have to trim the air damn too. I'll post back when it's done.
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Many thanks. What type of effects will they have?

After stewing over this all weekend, I am starting to think I do want to put some kind of lift on the vehicle. Enough to put some wider tires on. My only concern is how high this will make the step up and how difficult it will be for my wife to get in. We got in a lifted unlimited and it was way too much of a step up for her. She is indulging what she can already see is going to be a major addiction for me so I am trying to be sensitive to her needs while getting the more aggressive look I am craving. With that said, a couple of newbie questions:

1) Does a 2" lift actually lift the entire vehicle 2"? It seems intuitive but I feel compelled to ask under the theory there are no dumb questions.

2) What would you recommend for a fairly modest lift in terms of inches and tire size? Recall, I have already purchased the Pro Comp 7005's in the 17x8 size.

Thanks very much for indulging me. I have a lot to learn but this is a lot of fun!
After going with 16x8.5 MB72 wheels and 285/75/16 with no lift, I found out that the rear tires rubbed with moderate flexing...so I've installed TF leveling kit (2" front and 1" rear) that was mentioned above and gave me enough room. I measured before and after height of the stirrup steps and I only gained 1.75". That wouldn't be too much for the wife to get into:-)

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