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Old 08-31-2010, 09:43 PM   #1
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like I mentioned here more the once already - we are buying a Jeep. Here in Canada the Sport models seem to come with 3 types of tires - the cheapest Sport Base comes with 225/75-16 BSW On/Off road. The more expensive Sport comes with 255/75-17 OWL On/Off road, and then for $5k extra there is a package that comes with 255/75-17 BSW Off road tires. Is there much advantage in getting the BSW ones? I am leaning towards Base that comes with OWL tires plus A/C for extra 1k and LSD for extra $450 personally. There are also tubular side steps for $150 - is that worth the price? Thanks!

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Old 08-31-2010, 10:10 PM   #2
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the base sport with p225/75/16 is a Jeep with basically bicycle tires. They look abnormal and do not fit the Jeep very well cosmetically and functionally. AC is a must and you'll never regret having it on your Jeep. I would go with the sport model and the p255/75/17 tires. You get a jeep that looks more natural and has a better fitting tire for the large wheel base on the JK. Also, you have the nicer 17" looking aluminum rims to go with them. OSW means outside wall letters, BSW means black side wall letters. They are the same tire, one has the letter facing in and the other out. There is no difference in the tire. Both are on/off road but mostly on since they are "P" (passenger) rated. You'll have better gas MPG with those too than an AT (all terrain) tire. The side steps are up to you. If you think they will help then go for it but I think Jeeps kinda loose their Jeep factor by being easier to get into to. Just saying...

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It's not the lettering you should be concerned with when it comes to tires!

The 16" tires are GARBAGE. The 17" A/T's are a bit better. $5K for the rubicon tires is a waste of $- you can get several sets of the same for that price online (trust me- former dealership salesman, internet junkie )

As for the tire/wheel packages, save your $ and go aftermarket and get what YOU want- not what Jeep is selling. They're all very craptastic tires, anyway- obselete for the M/T's, junk for the 16's, and only decent for the 17's.

As for the A/C, it's a good thing to have- it helps remove moisture from the air when it's humid, or to thaw the windshield in the AM.

The LSD is a waste of $- it's a BIT better than the regular open, but definitely not $450 worth. For that price, you're halfway to having a push-button locker installed, which is infinitely more useful, or most of the way to a Detroit LSD, which is MUCH more useful. The OEM LSDs last maybe a couple years of MODERATE use before the clutches are shot, and it's no better than an open.

The tubular side steps are nice, but if you plan to off-road in rocks EVER, they break pretty easily. Again, money that could be MUCH better spent in the aftermarket- Mark W.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:04 AM   #4
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It's not the lettering you should be concerned with when it comes to tires!

The 16" tires are GARBAGE. The 17" A/T's are a bit better. $5K for the rubicon tires is a waste of $- you can get several sets of the same for that price online (trust me- former dealership salesman, internet junkie )

As for the tire/wheel packages, save your $ and go aftermarket and get what YOU want- not what Jeep is selling. They're all very craptastic tires, anyway- obselete for the M/T's, junk for the 16's, and only decent for the 17's.

As for the A/C, it's a good thing to have- it helps remove moisture from the air when it's humid, or to thaw the windshield in the AM.

The LSD is a waste of $- it's a BIT better than the regular open, but definitely not $450 worth. For that price, you're halfway to having a push-button locker installed, which is infinitely more useful, or most of the way to a Detroit LSD, which is MUCH more useful. The OEM LSDs last maybe a couple years of MODERATE use before the clutches are shot, and it's no better than an open.

The tubular side steps are nice, but if you plan to off-road in rocks EVER, they break pretty easily. Again, money that could be MUCH better spent in the aftermarket- Mark W.
All very true.

The LSD was only a $200 option when I bought mine and I passed. It only has a spring rate of about 1.2. That's enough to launch a Yaris from a stoplight.
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^ Exactly. You want at LEAST a 1.4 rate. This is why it wears out so fast under a 2-ton rig- ESPECIALLY if asked to negotiate off-road obstacles in high-torque (4LO, 1st gear) situations- Mark W.
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We purchased the X - last year's version of the Sport with the 23S package that included the 17" wheels. For an extra $500 our dealer swapped out the mediocre OEM tires for the BFG KM tires that you would get on a Rubi. That turned out to be a bit cheaper than the discount tire outlets wanted to do the swap. Works well for the type of offroad conditions we normally encounter.
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Been said twice, but I'll third it... the 16's are absolutely ridiculous tires to have on a Jeep. I've had my JK 8 months and have had two flats, and I've actually been really conservative with em (relatively speaking... I offroad it all the time, so theoretically I could be a LOT nicer to the tires).

You said fire roads/back roads before... for that sort of stuff the 17's are probably fine, but if you plan on offroading for the sake of offroading (if you're thinking "oh maybe I might try it out", then plan on doing it all the time jeeping is a blast) then get the 16's, because you'll be looking at KM2's, MT/R's, and Coopers in 3 months anyway. sounds silly to replace brand new tires, but no matter what tires you get stock, they will be your Jeep's weakest link when you leave the pavement.
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:17 PM   #8
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but if you plan on offroading for the sake of offroading (if you're thinking "oh maybe I might try it out", then plan on doing it all the time jeeping is a blast) then get the 16's, because you'll be looking at KM2's, MT/R's, and Coopers in 3 months anyway.
Just want to clarify - you suggest i get 16' tires because it's easier to find good offroad tires in that size? Or because I would waste less money by dumping cheaper new tires? For offroading, does it matter if I had 16' or 17' disks?

Another question about LSD - you guys say for $450 i am half way to push botton locker - you mean i can bring my Sport with an open differential to an aftermarket place and for a grand or so they'll install a rear locker? By the way, the rear axle is Dana 44 even on the cheapest Sport model.

Thanks!
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Well, for a grand, you can have an Auburn ECTED with overhaul kit and a shiny new ring and pinion. Install is up to you Mark W.

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