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Old 06-11-2012, 01:43 PM   #1
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Toyo MTs vs....everyone else

Just to throw another monkey wrench into tire selection:
I purchased 35/12.5/17s Toto Open Country tires. They look fantastic- but the wheel and tire almost outweighed me. Since I drive a JK, I wasn't sure the "Jeepers Emergency Assistance" program would work- and I knew I could never change a flat.
I decided to bump down to much lighter 305/70/17 KM2s. Even though they are a size smaller- they still looked TINY compared to my Toyos. I was perplexed.
Lo and behold- the Toyos, when compared to other same size tires- have a MUCH wider tread. I pulled up a bunch of tires, and the Toyos have 1 1/2" to 3" wider tread. (Mickey Ts, Dick Cepek, MTRs, Pro Comp etc.) I didn't pull everything but you get the idea.
Also, KM2s run on the small side on tread width. Some people have recommended "ordering up" in a KM2 and I would agree. The width is the same as an old 285 BFG KM I have in my garage.
I've attached photos but I didn't think/know to take a view looking down on the tread before I sent my Toyos back. Just for S & Gs. KM2 is #1 and #3. You can see the "beefier" side wall of the Toyo.
Not endorsing, bashing or recommending etc....just pointing out something to consider. Size doesn't matter to everyone.
I won't install my lift until next week- but I miss my Toyos already.
(Thanks to Onlinetires.com | Wheels and Tire Packages | Tires & Wheels for Cars & Trucks for nice treatment on the swap).

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:48 AM   #3
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The km2's look as if the sidewall has been worn down a bunch compared to the toyos
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The KM2 runs a bit small- perfect for me actually. I am torn between the 33" and 35" so will go with the 35" and get a 34".
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:40 PM   #5
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That's the new tire math! Perfect.
Never thought tires would keep me awake at night. Or that I can possibly look at a 34" tire and wonder if it's too small.
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:03 AM   #6
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I always heard that the Toyos were heavy as he*1. But if you can stand the weight, they are pretty good tires.
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Yes- I talked to some rabid Toyo fans and that's why I went with them (to start). There is a local Jeep/buggy shop here (desert runners mostly) that has a video of their Jeep in a really steep embankment. He is straddlng the embankment- and "crawling" on the sidewall of the Toyo. Practical? No. Would I do it? No. But its fun to watch. Wish I could find it again. Just for fun- here is their MySpace page. Its in there somehwere, but if you want to watch crazy videos...Poison Spyder Customs Videos | Myspace
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Ok- so the lift and tires are finally on.
As for the KM2s- not so happy with them. Thus far the ride is really rough- I don't know yet exactly what to attribute that to (springs, shocks, tires). Working on it. I need to air down the KM2s further so see if that will help the ride. But one thing it won't help- the noise. Holy coy are they noisy. I've had MT tires before (KM1s actually)- these are alot noisier. They have a constant "whirring" noise from 25 MPH up. Kinda typical for mud tires- but at a higher decibel than I expected. I am sure I'll get used to it- but for the moment its glaring. I am also mentally blocking out the image of what my bigger Toyos would have looked like.
Typical woman- never happy. LOL.
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The KM2 was the noisiest tire I've ever ran in my life. I lol at people who claim they are a great road tire.
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Ok- so the lift and tires are finally on.
As for the KM2s- not so happy with them. Thus far the ride is really rough- I don't know yet exactly what to attribute that to (springs, shocks, tires). Working on it. I need to air down the KM2s further so see if that will help the ride. But one thing it won't help- the noise. Holy coy are they noisy. I've had MT tires before (KM1s actually)- these are alot noisier. They have a constant "whirring" noise from 25 MPH up. Kinda typical for mud tires- but at a higher decibel than I expected. I am sure I'll get used to it- but for the moment its glaring. I am also mentally blocking out the image of what my bigger Toyos would have looked like.
Typical woman- never happy. LOL.
Are they LR E 10 ply rated?
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I went to the onlinetires site last night and couldn't find anything for a JK, it was TJ and older. Beyond that, even if looking in the TJ area I didn't see anything that was specifically labeled as a wheel/tire combo....

Am I looking in the wrong place(s)?
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I went through 2 sets of 33x12.5 x15 Toyo Mt's on my TJ. They used to be 33x13.5x15, but I think they quit making them that wide because of the oddball size. My buddy has the 13.5 wide Toyos on his YJ. They really stick out!

Anyway, I loved the Toyos except that they are indeed, heavy as crap! Maybe that's what makes the sidewalls so strong?? They worked great in all conditions, and were very quiet on the road for an MT tire.

I had a hard time keeping them balanced though. I was constantly fighting wobbles and shimmy's. But, I blame that to the cheapo steel wheels I used to run.

Now I run a 35" Procomp Xtreme MT only because I found a brand new set at half price. Bought them from a guy who rolled his Toyota on it's first wheeling trip and wanted out. I mounted them on alloy wheels. The 35 Procomps on alloys are way lighter than the Toyos on steelies. Plus, not one wobble or shimmy for over a year.

My brakes are also enjoying the weight savings. Definately noticeable.

My old 33x12.5x15 Toyos on steelies, disregard the mis-match spare lol.



My buddies 33x13.5x15 Toyos



The Procomps on alloys.



When these wear out I will probably be going with GY MT/R Kevlars. Although I liked the Toyos, they are just too heavy, IMO
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Toyo's

I've had the Toyos MT 33-12.50 - 15's on my jeep the last 2 years, they are bullet proof tires. Had BRG's before and had two sidewall puntures from rocks and tree stubs, went to the local Toyo dealer and we compared the sidewalls, huge difference. Have run the Rubicon both ways at 10psi no beadloks with no flats or bead popping off. Also run them down to 6psi on snow runs with no problems. They are a heavy tire as stated, but I hate flats. They also have good highway manners, if they ever ware out I will buy them again.
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Ok- so the lift and tires are finally on.
As for the KM2s- not so happy with them. Thus far the ride is really rough- I don't know yet exactly what to attribute that to (springs, shocks, tires). Working on it. I need to air down the KM2s further so see if that will help the ride. But one thing it won't help- the noise. Holy coy are they noisy. I've had MT tires before (KM1s actually)- these are alot noisier. They have a constant "whirring" noise from 25 MPH up. Kinda typical for mud tires- but at a higher decibel than I expected. I am sure I'll get used to it- but for the moment its glaring. I am also mentally blocking out the image of what my bigger Toyos would have looked like.
Typical woman- never happy. LOL.
Whats the load rating? Tire pressure?
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I lowered them down to 30 PSI and its better. They are E rated- I think the Toyos are D? Would that do it? I think our KM1s were "E" also though. I am going to try 28 but I don't want to run much lower on the street.
I ran the KM2s on the fire roads this weekend: the KM2s are quieter on the trail than they are on the 91 freeway. Ironic. With the KMs and the Fox shocks- the ride is better at 35 MPH on very rocky terrain than it is on the street. Not exactly my intention but at least it makes me feel a little better about the ride on-road.
If you are checking Online Tire- search by size tire size- not vehicle. They are really quite helpful so if you can't find what you need- just call. Edgar will know exactly what you're looking for.
I would not recommend the MKW M80s. (My pick; not Edgar's). The very first night we drove them one of the "bolts" (decorative only) flew right off. We also had to re-tap one of the wheels to get the cover on. Granted they were $100 and change- but not worth it.
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I lowered them down to 30 PSI and its better. They are E rated- I think the Toyos are D? Would that do it? I think our KM1s were "E" also though. I am going to try 28 but I don't want to run much lower on the street.
I ran the KM2s on the fire roads this weekend: the KM2s are quieter on the trail than they are on the 91 freeway. Ironic. With the KMs and the Fox shocks- the ride is better at 35 MPH on very rocky terrain than it is on the street. Not exactly my intention but at least it makes me feel a little better about the ride on-road.
If you are checking Online Tire- search by size tire size- not vehicle. They are really quite helpful so if you can't find what you need- just call. Edgar will know exactly what you're looking for.
I would not recommend the MKW M80s. (My pick; not Edgar's). The very first night we drove them one of the "bolts" (decorative only) flew right off. We also had to re-tap one of the wheels to get the cover on. Granted they were $100 and change- but not worth it.
Load rating and tire pressure will definitely affect the ride. Not much you can do about load rating, but I'd definitely play around with tire pressure.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:24 PM   #17
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Not exactly rock crawling...
We have a Rubi sway bar installed- but not the wiring yet, so the fronts are locked.
Do you think I should be worried that my plates are short for "Wobble"?

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