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Old 10-28-2013, 12:49 PM   #1
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Toyo vs Bf Goodrich tires

I'm planning to do lots of off-roading but road time too. Which tire would be the best fit?

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Forget about brand names at first. The question you need to ask is what type of tire do you need, all-terrain (BFG AT, Toyo AT, Cooper AT, too many to list), MT (BFG KM, KM2, Toyo MT, Cooper STT, too many to list) or "MT-AT hybrid" (Duratrac, Safari TSR, Cooper ST Maxx).

Also you need to know what tire size you should go with.

What are you planning to do, exactly? Are you going to lift your Jeep? Use the stock tire size? What type of off-roading?

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Forget about brand names at first. The question you need to ask is what type of tire do you need, all-terrain (BFG AT, Toyo AT, Cooper AT, too many to list), MT (BFG KM, KM2, Toyo MT, Cooper STT, too many to list) or "MT-AT hybrid" (Duratrac, Safari TSR, Cooper ST Maxx).

Also you need to know what tire size you should go with.

What are you planning to do, exactly? Are you going to lift your Jeep? Use the stock tire size? What type of off-roading?
i have nothing to add... that's pretty good right there ^^
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I'm planning to do lots of off-roading but road time too. Which tire would be the best fit?
Toyo Open Country AT2's are pretty good at just about whatever you want to do in a wrangler. Probably not the best at any one thing but a great all around chunk of rubber. Now the bigger question what size?
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Forget about brand names at first. The question you need to ask is what type of tire do you need, all-terrain (BFG AT, Toyo AT, Cooper AT, too many to list), MT (BFG KM, KM2, Toyo MT, Cooper STT, too many to list) or "MT-AT hybrid" (Duratrac, Safari TSR, Cooper ST Maxx). Also you need to know what tire size you should go with. What are you planning to do, exactly? Are you going to lift your Jeep? Use the stock tire size? What type of off-roading?
I'm going to lift it 2.5 inches. Either 33" tires or 35".. Lot of mud and climbing hills in store
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I'm going to lift it 2.5 inches. Either 33" tires or 35".. Lot of mud and climbing hills in store
How much time on-road, lot of highway miles? Do you get much winter weather? Do you care about gas mileage?

Anyway - sounds like a real MT is probably the ticket based on your location and described usage. MT's are terrible in the winter (trust me, please trust me) so go w/a hybrid if that is an issue.

Toyo and BFG both make very good tires, you will not go wrong with the Toyo MT or KM2.
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How much time on-road, lot of highway miles? Do you get much winter weather? Do you care about gas mileage? Anyway - sounds like a real MT is probably the ticket based on your location and described usage. MT's are terrible in the winter (trust me, please trust me) so go w/a hybrid if that is an issue. Toyo and BFG both make very good tires, you will not go wrong with the Toyo MT or KM2.
On the road about 40 miles and up a day so not too much.. Winters can be very very cold but snow not too often. Gas mileage isn't an issue but preferred not 10 or less mpg
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food for thought... MTs typically aren't good in the winter.
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food for thought... MTs typically aren't good in the winter.
Think they're a bad idea?
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Not much snow or prolonged freezing weather in Tennessee. If say a mud tire would be suitable. The toyo MT or cooper stt(very very similar to toyo) would be good contenders. Your mileage will tank tho. Is your jeep rescue green? If so that makes it an 07-08 and with 33's or 35's you'd have to be cool with 12-17mpg on the highway with those tires depending on several factors including tire size gearing and tranny
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nope i run toyo mts... i love them... just something to think about with winter coming. not sure where you are - in florida it isn't much of an issue.
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Not much snow in Tennessee. If say a mud tire would be suitable. The toyo MT or cooper stt(very very similar to toyo) would be good contenders. Your mileage will tank tho. Is your jeep rescue green? If so that makes it an 07-08 and with 33's or 35's you'd have to be cool with 12-17mpg on the highway with those tires depending on several factors including tire size gearing and tranny
If I got all terrain instead with 33's and 2.5" lift.. Would it still tank
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nope i run toyo mts... i love them... just something to think about with winter coming. not sure where you are - in florida it isn't much of an issue.
TN where it snows maybe a couple times.. 30-40 degrees mostly
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there really isn't that much savings (in MPG) between 33s and 35s... if you're running a 3.73 gear ratio and you're not heavy on the skinny pedal you can still net around 16mpg with 35s.

just have to be a little more conscious of where you are in the RPM range...
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If I got all terrain instead with 33's and 2.5" lift.. Would it still tank
You could do 33" mud tires and not lose as much. Have you tried to wheel it stock and see how much you get stuck in the mud? If you don't get stuck much then 33" all terrains are fine. If you just want the look of an MT then get those. It's partially about fulfilling needs but you don't want to look back and wish you got 35's. a hybrid mt/at are usually lighter if you looked at those. The biggest thing that will kill the mileage is weight so just keep that in mind when comparing tires
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I'm pretty sold on good year wrangler Duratrac.... best of both worlds IMO....
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there really isn't that much savings (in MPG) between 33s and 35s... if you're running a 3.73 gear ratio and you're not heavy on the skinny pedal you can still net around 16mpg with 35s. just have to be a little more conscious of where you are in the RPM range...
If I'm wanting 33's with off-road and highway time, should I get a leveling kit or lifting kit? I like the Teraflex 2.5 lift kit.. But would leveling it work instead?
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If I'm wanting 33's with off-road and highway time, should I get a leveling kit or lifting kit? I like the Teraflex 2.5 lift kit.. But would leveling it work instead?
It would work to just do a leveling kit but with mudding having a little more ground clearance under the undercarriage is better. The diffs can still drag but at least your undercarriage might not as well
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You could do 33" mud tires and not lose as much. Have you tried to wheel it stock and see how much you get stuck in the mud? If you don't get stuck much then 33" all terrains are fine. If you just want the look of an MT then get those. It's partially about fulfilling needs but you don't want to look back and wish you got 35's. a hybrid mt/at are usually lighter if you looked at those. The biggest thing that will kill the mileage is weight so just keep that in mind when comparing tires
Wheeling in stock I haven't gotten stuck just yet but definitely don't have the tires to handle what I've been doing.. 35's would look better.. But 33's could also get the job done
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I'm pretty sold on good year wrangler Duratrac.... best of both worlds IMO....
Good in the winter?
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Wheeling in stock I haven't gotten stuck just yet but definitely don't have the tires to handle what I've been doing.. 35's would look better.. But 33's could also get the job done
Maybe you'd do well with a 2.5" lift and some lighter 35's like a duratrac then. Or go all out and get the toyos if you like those better
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It would work to just do a leveling kit but with mudding having a little more ground clearance under the undercarriage is better. The diffs can still drag but at least your undercarriage might not as well
2.5 would be enough lift off the ground don't you think? Would I get the kit with shocks or adapters?
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Good in the winter?
Very good. Even in super snowy areas
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2.5 would be enough lift off the ground don't you think? Would I get the kit with shocks or adapters?
That's your call based on your budget and how many miles are on your current shocks. If you have over 50k on your shocks it couldn't hurt to get new ones
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Very good. Even in super snowy areas
Duratrac 35's or Toyo is what I'm thinking
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Just a thought, but you could find some Rubi takeoffs (a true MT) on Craigslist for cheap and try them out. Should be great in the mud and give you an idea of whether you want a real MT or not.
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Just a thought, but you could find some Rubi takeoffs (a true MT) on Craigslist for cheap and try them out. Should be great in the mud and give you an idea of whether you want a real MT or not.
Could I sell my current tires and wheels after I get new ones?
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Duratrac 35's or Toyo is what I'm thinking
Can't go wrong with either. The duratracs are lighter and will get better mileage with better on road manners but e toyos are amazing mud tires that have a long tread life(possibly more than duratrac) and are quiet. You'll get worse mileage tho.

You win some you lose some. You just have to choose and call your tire guy.

Also check out the cooper discoverer stt. It's arguably identical to the toyo and usually significantly cheaper
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Could I sell my current tires and wheels after I get new ones?
Yup. Saharas don't sell as well as rubi tires but if they have good tires you could definitely get 4-600 plus or minus a bit depending in the market
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Can't go wrong with either. The duratracs are lighter and will get better mileage with better on road manners but e toyos are amazing mud tires that have a long tread life(possibly more than duratrac) and are quiet. You'll get worse mileage tho. You win some you lose some. You just have to choose and call your tire guy. Also check out the cooper discoverer stt. It's arguably identical to the toyo and usually significantly cheaper
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