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Old 06-11-2011, 08:14 AM   #1
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08 rubi unlimited ($23.5) or 08 sport x ($18.5)

I'm trying to decide on which rig to get and need some people with some jeep knowledge to help me out.

I don't off road but would love to since i'm moving to vegas in 5 months. I'm sure the x would fit my needs just fine but for 5 more grand I get a rubi plus a lot more room for me and the wife and two kids.

RUBI has the following positives: $23.5, 22k miles, 4 doors, pwr windows/doors, auto start, hardtop, 2 inch lift and the rest of the good stuff that comes standard on a rubicon.
Negatives: minor damage due to off road trips, one of which was to MOAB. Damaged parts are bumper, passenger door, hood, passenger fender. All of which to me are cosmetic and not that big of deal but still a neg. Owner said he can make it like new for under 3k if he were to keep it.

X positives: $18.5, 18k miles and never been taken off road, hardtop, black/black
X negatives: No pwr windows or locks (this is a negative for me since I've always had pwr windows and locks) no trunk space (I have a wife and 2 kids).

One big concern is should I be extremely cautious about the RUBI since it was taken to some serious off road trips? I know it's built for it but should I stay away from it just because and go for the plain stock virgin X model that seems to be bone stock?

ahhhh decisions decisions. Both rigs are below KBB, the rubi even after it would get fixed is still priced below KBB.

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IMHO - keep loooking.. 23.5K for something you have to put work into..
and the X is not an unlimited.

I have 2 kids, and the 4dr is very helpful.. a must!.. I was looking for 6 months and everyone wanted too much for a used wrangler- 08 for mid 20's / I ended up ordering a 2011 Sport ( like an X ) unlimited. the way I wanted.. it was more, but no one owned it or wrecked it... Best vehicle i owned so far, I love it!!
getting ready to lift it ( 2.5 or 3 ) then maybe some new wheels...

the decision is up to you, the new Sport was a little more but it is 3 years newer

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yeah I think I'm talking myself into liking the rubi unlimited because it's a rubi. I shouldn't chase the sticker since I really will never rock crawl. At most I will take it to a few trails and stuff but nothing crazy.

The Sport X, I think I can live with even without the extra room. Like I mentioned before if I need extra space we'll take the wife's less capable suv and use the space for grocery's.

But than again have a spacious is ride is the reason I just sold my S2000. I just couldn't do the small sports car anymore.

man, not to sure what to do..... LOL
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Is a Sport X still a very capable off road vehicle? I'm guessing it is but I guess I'm thinking that since it's the base model that it's not as capable as the rest of the line up.

Yes I know that the drivers ability plays a huge factor in that question.
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Pass on the rubi, sounds like it has been abused, 3k in damage? walk past it and find either another one in good shape or just a unlimited non rubi.
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Same boat here, wife and two kids. 4 door is a must if you'll all ride in it.
For the numbers you are talking about, I'd tell you to get a brand new sport unlimited. You might even still find an '10 new with the full warranty. You should be able to get into something new for about the same price with the full warranty and no questions about what happened to it before.
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Sport Unlimited is very capable of going off road.. you should not have any issues.. unless you are going (off-road-rock crawling ) you can always do some of your own mods later and still save money. Best part - it will be unique to you..
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re: "I'm thinking that since it's the base model that it's not as capable as the rest of the line up. "

Considering your old ride.....the X is the Starship Enterprise for off road adventures....and probably has more interior room.

The Rubi is way spendy for needing repairs of any kind.

I'd keep looking if it were me.
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Same boat here, wife and two kids. 4 door is a must if you'll all ride in it.
For the numbers you are talking about, I'd tell you to get a brand new sport unlimited. You might even still find an '10 new with the full warranty. You should be able to get into something new for about the same price with the full warranty and no questions about what happened to it before.
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Yeah I had a Honda S2000 until today, I sold it got tire of being a cramped all the time since I got used to a Titan before the Honda.

So capability wise the Sport X seems like it will meet my needs and then some. It's priced at $18.5 which is about 3k below KBB, I think I can live with a small backseat and no power locks and windows. If it gets annoying then maybe I'll just take the doors off
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It's likely you'll be looking for excuses to find new unpaved routes between your destinations.

I can't get enough miles IN my 08 Wrangler, even after a recent 1000 mile road trip....and that was 22.5 MPG IIRC.

No unresolved Jeep issues yet but I don't travel with kids either.
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I'll have about a 80 mile roundtrip to work and home daily.... not having cruise control is going to suck if i get the X
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There are after market and even dealer installed cruise. That is one item I'd consider worth adding.
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Buy neither. The rubi is damaged (way too much for a vehicle a dealer would give 15k or less in on a trade) and the X you wont be happy with (no power windows/locks).

Be patient and wait.
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Buy neither. The rubi is damaged (way too much for a vehicle a dealer would give 15k or less in on a trade) and the X you wont be happy with (no power windows/locks).

Be patient and wait.
Whats wrong with a true jeep that has no power locks or power windows jks are not true jeeps there for the average soccer mom. I say go with the true jeep and get the x
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Whats wrong with a true jeep that has no power locks or power windows jks are not true jeeps there for the average soccer mom. I say go with the true jeep and get the x
But the X is a JK? . . .
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But the X is a JK? . . .
Oh my bad I ment x jk like real jeeps dont have any power locks and stuff... I would rather a tj thought. Jks are more soccer mom ishh
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Oh my bad I ment x jk like real jeeps dont have any power locks and stuff... I would rather a tj thought. Jks are more soccer mom ishh
Plus $18000 for a jk is damn cheap
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Oh my bad I ment x jk like real jeeps dont have any power locks and stuff... I would rather a tj thought. Jks are more soccer mom ishh
True Jeep isn't what you say, it's what Jeep builds. The JK is more than capable and stock for stock has beat the TJ in a comparison test. Not ripping on the TJ, I still love them. Just the JK was built a little bit better and Jeep will continue to evolve. Ask any engineer at Chrysler who knows better than you or I.

It's hard to let go...
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True Jeep isn't what you say, it's what Jeep builds. The JK is more than capable and stock for stock has beat the TJ in a comparison test. Not ripping on the TJ, I still love them. Just the JK was built a little bit better and Jeep will continue to evolve. Ask any engineer at Chrysler who knows better than you or I.

It's hard to let go...
Well said I drove a jk mountain edition wrangler and just couldent find a reason why I should trade my tj for a jk other than I put a s*** load of money in my tj the point being I see no reason to go to a jk imo. Its your decision good luck
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Well you can always buy my 08 Jku with only 30k on it. No power options, but both inside and outside are immaculate. Tires and rims have 250 miles
On them.
Then I'll end up being stuck with a '12.
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Well said I drove a jk mountain edition wrangler and just couldent find a reason why I should trade my tj for a jk other than I put a s*** load of money in my tj the point being I see no reason to go to a jk imo. Its your decision good luck
All 100% correct, and I own a mountain edition. TJs rock, especially built ones, and the one in your profile is no exception.

Here's the thing--you're right that JKs, much more so than TJs, have the capacity to be ordered/modified with more "soccer mom" features than any prior Wrangler. Imagine a JK with four doors, hard top, street tires, leather, nav, power everything, and maybe (prior to 2011) even 2wd. That's a soccer mom vehicle if I ever saw one.

BUT, what's interesting is that JKs can also be ordered/modded with just as much "jeepness" as a TJ. Some things--like four doors--undoubtedly are a change, but they can be balanced against lockers, lifts, nice MTs, and all sorts of other "true jeep" type of features. You've undoubtedly seen some very "jeep" JKs.

Some of the "soccer mom" features even further the overall "jeepness" in the right context. For example, those power winddows are a lot of help in a 4 door. How the hell else am I supposed to roll down my rear windows when I'm driving?

I guess the point is that JKs aren't inherently "soccer mom." They can be brought that direction or toward total "jeepness". That's an impressive level of flexibility.
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All 100% correct, and I own a mountain edition. TJs rock, especially built ones, and the one in your profile is no exception.

Here's the thing--you're right that JKs, much more so than TJs, have the capacity to be ordered/modified with more "soccer mom" features than any prior Wrangler. Imagine a JK with four doors, hard top, street tires, leather, nav, power everything, and maybe (prior to 2011) even 2wd. That's a soccer mom vehicle if I ever saw one.

BUT, what's interesting is that JKs can also be ordered/modded with just as much "jeepness" as a TJ. Some things--like four doors--undoubtedly are a change, but they can be balanced against lockers, lifts, nice MTs, and all sorts of other "true jeep" type of features. You've undoubtedly seen some very "jeep" JKs.

Some of the "soccer mom" features even further the overall "jeepness" in the right context. For example, those power winddows are a lot of help in a 4 door. How the hell else am I supposed to roll down my rear windows when I'm driving?

I guess the point is that JKs aren't inherently "soccer mom." They can be brought that direction or toward total "jeepness". That's an impressive level of flexibility.
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Keep looking. Don't settle for something that you are not 100% in love with. You will regret it later. Good luck.
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Thanks for all the great responses. I have to wait 3 more days before I can see it in person and test drive the X. I'm excited and can't wait.

Power door locks, windows and cruise control can all be added aftermarket I guess so it's not a big deal that the x doesn't have it. Hopefully they aren't crazy expensive but if so I don't have to add them.

The X was advertised for $20,900 obo. This guy is selling it for his wife and told me that he couldn't go lower then $18.5 so I'm offering him $17 in hopes to getting the price a little bit lower but honestly $18.5 isn't bad either.
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Yeah power windows are not really considered a plus.. Im no fan of the 4dr JK but it sounds like it fits your situation right.. So find one that hasn't been beaten on or beaten on to hard.. Especially if your looking in the low 20k range.. If I may ask where do you live?
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I'm stationed in South Korea right now but will be moving to Las Vegas this Nov. I will wait to get to Vegas to buy a truck/jeep/suv/car unless I can find on that I like/love out here and the price is good. Such as the X which is 3k below kbb. I priced out the jeep in comparison to the jeeps out in Vegas.

I'm still not 100% sure I want a jeep, I've also been looking towards a Toyota Tacoma 4x4 crewcab, shortbed.

I think I'll get the jeep but will have to wait for the test drive to see if I really love it. I would love to go off road when I get to Vegas, but having a truck would be awesome as well since I'll be able to move stuff around when I get a house out there.
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I'm going for a test drive in the RUBI tomorrow and possible take it to my mech. When it's on the lift what are some things I should look for underneath? How can I tell if it was abused other than taking this guys word? He should be legit, he's a doc in the USAF. I can live with the visual damage, I'll get them fixed over the time I own it or at least before I sell it.

This seems like a very good deal on a RUBI, I'll never have to mod it since it will be more then capable of doing the things I will do with it. I better take it off road, I keep telling myself that I will because all these pics of people going out and wheeling looks fun.
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Whatever the additions to a stock base model, such upgrades as "power windows" do not take away from off-road capability.

And those who modify their base models into whatever their own version of "Jeepiness" may be, seem to forget they started with the same base as any fruited out soccer mom model. Adding polka dotted curtains to a Rubi does not make it a soccer mom basket case, nor does it do such to a base model.

Whatever cosmetic and creature comforts added do not make up for lack of 4 door room if you need it.

The usefulness of occasional off-road features do not outweigh the needs 98% of the time.

We don't need power windows, nor the other Rubi options. The point is, we gain incredible pleasure from having such available.

I had talked myself into the obvious advantages of a JKU, without being able to find just the *right* one during the year of my own search. Had almost sprung for a new one in fact.....then....

......a great deal on an 08 Sahara with 24G option package came along. I disliked the same-color fenders, and was unsure the extra short JK would work for me.

6 months later, I'm very pleased.

And I use my power windows daily numerous times. Haven't needed any of the Rubi stuff, and have been quite satisfied with the level of off-road qualities present in this very model.

So many Jeeps.....so little time.....
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I have an 09 X, no power windows/locks, vinyl seats, and I love it. I can lean over and roll down the window if needed. Then again, I've had the top off and the windows down for weeks now, so it doesn't matter much. I think the kids are what will make the X your are looking at not as attractive. Hope you find the perfect one for you!

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