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Old 05-26-2013, 07:30 PM   #31
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OK MTH, my whole point is that I want the exact Mopar 3" lift but want to source it piece by piece to see if it can be done for less. If it can't then the Mopar lift is at a fair price point. There may be better lifts but I want this one.
Teraflex is making lifts for Mopar. Even the shocks are Fox tuned TF's

Rancho is supposedly making drop brackets available soon.

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OK MTH, my whole point is that I want the exact Mopar 3" lift but want to source it piece by piece to see if it can be done for less. If it can't then the Mopar lift is at a fair price point. There may be better lifts but I want this one.
Keep doing what you're doing ... I believe you're on the right track and you'll find the answers as this thread matures.

The most recent version of the Mopar Stage 3 kit includes the following per the attached. If you can find and verify that all the same components listed are those on the Teraflex website and can be pieced out with a significant cost savings, you'll be a hero.

Despite what others may say, I would source the purchase and installation of a Mopar kit from a Jeep dealer. I like to maintain a good relationship with my local dealer for several reasons. In addition, if you take it in for service to purchase and install the lift at a AAA certified dealer, there's a good chance you'll get another $100 off the cost, with an extended 1 year warranty on the work performed.

The additional AAA benefit needs to be verified up front since I haven't taken it that far yet.


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Expensive kit considering the Ca's are fixed. Speed bumps are overkill.

How much is a dealer installed Mopar/TF anyways ?

Here's their 3" w/o shockshttp://www.teraflex.biz/jk-wrangler-3-suspension-system-w-full-8-flexarm-system.html

The Fox tuned resi's are around $400. All 8 fully adjustable CA's
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I am in Canada and your US pricing is much less, I went to a Canadian Jeep dealer and I forgot the price as I fainted but remember they wanted 18 hours for install. I am waiting to install this on my 2015 but may as well start now. Jason at Krawl can you duplicate? I'm not trying to make work but there may be a market for an independent supplier.
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I found the Mopar kit on line for$2,326 the install cost should be about the same regardless if a kit or sourced piece by piece. I am still leaning to Mopar but am open all suggestions, Thanx Kjeeper.
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It looks like you added spacers as well? ...

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No spacers were added. Stock springs/height.
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Keep doing what you're doing ... I believe you're on the right track and you'll find the answers as this thread matures.

The most recent version of the Mopar Stage 3 kit includes the following per the attached. If you can find and verify that all the same components listed are those on the Teraflex website and can be pieced out with a significant cost savings, you'll be a hero.

Despite what others may say, I would source the purchase and installation of a Mopar kit from a Jeep dealer. I like to maintain a good relationship with my local dealer for several reasons. In addition, if you take it in for service to purchase and install the lift at a AAA certified dealer, there's a good chance you'll get another $100 off the cost, with an extended 1 year warranty on the work performed.

The additional AAA benefit needs to be verified up front since I haven't taken it that far yet.
Thats a booty kit. Resi shocks with fixed arm poly pushing control arms? Speed bumps with factory length arms? And limiting straps for a low alignment setup? That kit has overkill parts, or has crappy parts however you look at it.
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Expensive kit considering the Ca's are fixed. Speed bumps are overkill.
I also would prefer adjustable control arms, but there's probably a reason behind Mopar not specifying adjustable lower and upper arms into their kit... cost?

Probably more along the lines of assuring installations are consistent across mainstream Jeep dealers. It requires a seasoned tech to adjust and assure driveline angles are correct. Fixed length control arms are plug and play to the specified lift.

This is the downside to this kit assuming you have a bad case of inchitis.

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Regarding warranty, your jeep is covered by chrysler as it came from the factory.

What you change (ie, a lift) isn't covered and what's damaged by what you change (ie, driveshafts if your lift is too high) isn't covered, but otherwise the factory warranty remains.

Neither the brand of the mod nor the installer makes any difference.

Thus, as far as your Chrysler warranty is concerned, a dealer-installed mopar lift is exactly the same as a TeraFlex lift installed in your garage.

Any dealer that tells you anything else is wrong. It's in your warranty manual and the mopar performance parts catalog. No dealer has ever been able to present anything else in writing from Chrysler to the contrary . . . though they love to tell you otherwise so as to up sell you on a pricey mopar lift installed by them.

I have no doubt the dealer (not Chrysler) will warranty the install (but not the parts) on a mopar (or any brand) lift it installs, but that's true of any reputable shop.

I'm not saying nobody should ever buy a mopar lift, or that there is no circumstance in which a dealer-installed lift may be the right choice for you. But if your reasoning is that your warranty is being "preserved," or that the lift is "specially designed" by mopar, you're wrong on both counts.
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Thats a booty kit. Resi shocks with fixed arm poly pushing control arms? Speed bumps with factory length arms? And limiting straps for a low alignment setup? That kit has overkill parts, or has crappy parts however you look at it.
Sure it is and I agree. I spec'd adjustable upper and lower control arms on the 5.25" lift I have on my '91. Not once have they needed adjusting since the lift was installed many years ago.

Now if I decide to add an inch, then that's a different story.

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No spacers were added. Stock springs/height.
Thanks! .... 34's and confirmed no rubbing with 2" bump stops.

Good to know for those that want to remain stock.

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Yea , I'd say cost and plug and play. It's the speed bumps that really get me. Those puppies are not cheap.
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When you get a chance can you post more photos of your AEV LCA drop brackets? This is an important aspect to correcting angles and on-rode feel as you increase lift over 4"... however I see AEV advertises the benefits with a 2.5" lift as well.

Since Jeep did nothing for our 10A's from an engineering perspective to correct suspension and driveline angles over a standard Sport or Rubicon, this could be the solution to remedy our factory feel... i.e., wander, chatter and the other nuances you mentioned above.

Rubicon Express was the first to design drop brackets for their advertised 4.5" SuperFlex lifts many years ago. However I believe the bolt on bracket included dropping the UCA as well. This was way before long arm kits were available.

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Yea , I'd say cost and plug and play. It's the speed bumps that really get me. Those puppies are not cheap.
Speed bumps, do you mean adjustable bump stops? Sorry, I more familiar with the XJ side..

I'm assuming this is somewhat a marketing gimmick, hence the name pre-runner kit.

I never knew JK's were used for pre-runners.

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Speed bumps, do you mean adjustable bump stops? Sorry, I more familiar with the XJ side..

I'm assuming this is somewhat a marketing gimmick, hence the name pre-runner kit.

I never knew JK's were used for pre-runners.

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That's marketed as the Pre-runner kit ?
Assuming the complete kit has all 4 speed bumps. Also 8 adj. arms. That's one mean kit but very pricey. The Mopar looks to be a sister Pre-runner kit

The speed bumps are hydraulic bumpstops. Made for high speed off road, lessening the impact from shoving the wheel up into the well. I think they are adjustable.
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That's marketed as the Pre-runner kit ?
Assuming the complete kit has all 4 speed bumps. Also 8 adj. arms. That's one mean kit but very pricey. The Mopar looks to be a sister Pre-runner kit

The speed bumps are hydraulic bumpstops. Made for high speed off road, lessening the impact from shoving the wheel up into the well. I think they are adjustable.
I assumed it was a pre-runner kit with limiting straps and hydraulic stops.

Also, very aware of Jeep Speed stuff... just never seen TF in the mix. Mostly RE, Currie, Deaver, etc.

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Plug and play is my goal in life and Jeeping.
... Maybe you can spec your own kit and call it PNP Performance.

But do something more extreme and include King shocks that are pre-adjusted and tested for all your JKUR 10A buddies.

I would follow this and that thread..

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If only I had the ability to follow this to conclusion,I must step aside for Jeepers more learned in suspensions. I realize everyone's needs are different but I would be happy with the perfect compromise aka holy grail of Jeepin.
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I'm pleased with our Mopar stage 3. The speed bumps are made out of some fancy polyurethane compound so there is no valving to wear out. The fixed length control arms are not standard length, and that was a major selling point to me. Over the years with my TJ, I went through just about everybody's flex joint control arms. Frankly, I'm hoping for better reliability than I got from adjustable control arms... time will tell.
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If anyone lifts their 10A and would be interested in parting with the coils, let me know. I was thinking about using them to get another 1" lift on top of my leveling kit. Curious to see the part numbers on the coils and if the shocks are standard Rubi shocks or not.

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Plug n' Play is why I went with mopar. I came here to do a little research, but in the end I just want it done in as little time possible. I wasn't looking at the price of the kit vs. the others, but was simply looking at whether the price was worth it to me.

The only reason I would have gone to another kit is if I had confirmation that going elsewhere was a much better option for reliability and time. So far, I haven't seen anything bad about the mopar lift othe than it being overpriced or rebranded. But neither seem to affect its reliability so I went with it.
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Plug n' Play is why I went with mopar. I came here to do a little research, but in the end I just want it done in as little time possible. I wasn't looking at the price of the kit vs. the others, but was simply looking at whether the price was worth it to me.

The only reason I would have gone to another kit is if I had confirmation that going elsewhere was a much better option for reliability and time. So far, I haven't seen anything bad about the mopar lift othe than it being overpriced or rebranded. But neither seem to affect its reliability so I went with it.
Idk if you work on your own vehicles but you could have gotten better for about 600-800 less.

I can do a custom 3 link, 4 link with trusses for less than $2600 and thats with coilovers, and a few hundred more for ORI struts. But to each his own.
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I'm pleased with our Mopar stage 3. The speed bumps are made out of some fancy polyurethane compound so there is no valving to wear out. The fixed length control arms are not standard length, and that was a major selling point to me. Over the years with my TJ, I went through just about everybody's flex joint control arms. Frankly, I'm hoping for better reliability than I got from adjustable control arms... time will tell.
Interesting... no valving? How do these work?

Also notice the reason the Mopar Stage 3 kit only comes with these pseudo compression bump stops in the front .. because the rears need to be welded into the frame.

Not going to happen at a Jeep dealer nor will welding to the frame be blessed by Chrysler Jeep.

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The TeraFlex PreRunner SpeedBump Bumpstop kit features 3" stroke bumpstops at all four corners for maximum suspension control. A bumpstop canister is welded into the frame to mount the rear bumpstop.
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Interesting... no valving? How do these work?
The Teraflex "micro-cellular polyurethane technology" is basically a replacement material for a hard rubber bump stop. It has a different energy absorption rate than solid rubber so the energy transfer to frame is dramatically reduced.
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Thank you, much appreciated.
JW, Did you ever get an answer on the shocks, are they he same on the stock Rubi and the 10A? Several people have asked, but don't think I have seen it answered.
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JW, Did you ever get an answer on the shocks, are they he same on the stock Rubi and the 10A? Several people have asked, but don't think I have seen it answered.
I doubt the shocks are different... The only way to know is one of us goes to the dealer parts counter and see if they carry a different PN than the standard Rubicon.

With that said, I wouldn't waste the time, money or effort installing these OEM Bilsteen shocks. There are better shocks on the market. I would look at Rancho RS9000's (personal favorite) OME (Old Man Emu) or if you want to move upscale... Fox 2.0 Performance Series or King OEM.

As far as these fancy compression bump stops... unless you're really going to use your suspension at full travel, it's a waste of money.

I came from an era when Fox Shocks ruled the motocross scene. My 1978 Maico 450 Wheelsmith Works bike had Fox Air Shocks - with nitrogen filled bladders. They needed servicing, but that was a long time ago.

Not sure about reliability of the King, ACOS Pro or Teraflex SpeedBumps. Again, if you're not going to use the suspension, they'll be on there more for looks than function - which I'm okay with because its not my money.

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First off- yes, Stage 3 is overkill if you don't plan to off-road or hit a trail. Yes the kit is expensive. Yes- the limit straps seem overkill. Yes the bump stops are very pricey.
Wish you could Take a ride in my Jeep. Every single time I am out someone comments how nice my suspension works and how smooth it is. Over washboard or bumps its fantastic. I don't have to drive pre-runner style to enjoy it. Rock crawling is only marginally better- but getting to the rocks is a lot more enjoyable.
This is a "factory style" lift. The limit straps are there to prevent damage to the drive shafts and shocks. Once I replace my stock shafts I'll remove them. However I've crawled over the same rocks as coil-overs have without issue. Course the coil-overs still look cooler. And I do avoid SOME of the gigantic ones LOL.
My favorite component is the bumpstops. Coming down over rocks isn't spine crushing. You can hear them work- and work they do. Mogul style stretches of trail are grinning- fun. While other people complain- I am having a blast (shocks important too,) Don't get me wrong- though- its still not a Razor.
As for the non-adjustables I constantly hear this complaint. These arms are designed to be the right length for the lift specifically. Why do they need to be adjusted if they're right to start? And no maintenance. It's been checked for caster/alignment. Everything is in spec. From day of install.
The only thing we needed was an adjustable front track bar and/or relocation bracket for the front. $150. Install (ourselves) went smoothly and everything was top notch quality.
There are plenty of less expensive kits out there that are perfectly fine. For someone who never hits a trail or is only out a couple of times a year it's not worth it. But I'd certainly recommend it and if I were to start over- I'd do the same kit. No question.
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Very good points ... I'm sold.

Questions..

1. what's the advertised lift? 2.5" or 3.0"

2. what's that actual lift? 2.5" or 3.0"

3. did you add an adjustable track bar?

I see this language spewed all over the Teraflex website for all their advertised 3"+ lifts.

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Need some clarity around this...

On my XJ, it was required to add an adjustable track bar beyond an advertised 3.0" lift. In other words, 3.0" it was NOT required... 3.5" it was ABSOLUTELY required. Keep in mind Rancho's advertised 3.0" lift was an actual 3.0", my Rubicon Express advertised 4.5" lift was an actual 5.25" lift - so this is important to know when buying a lift - kit or components.

Per the photo, I see the adjustable front track bar is NOT included in the Mopar 3.0 kit... or is it and I'm going blind.



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