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Old 06-04-2013, 08:50 AM   #661
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Hey all. I'm a soon-to-be owner of a Billet/Red 10A and cannot freakin' wait until it's here. I'm considering slide rails for more protection but also so my kids (and wife) have a good step. I've read good things about the Ace rock sliders. Anyone know if those will fit fine with the 10A side rails? Any other recommendations?

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Hey all. I'm a soon-to-be owner of a Billet/Red 10A and cannot freakin' wait until it's here. I'm considering slide rails for more protection but also so my kids (and wife) have a good step. I've read good things about the Ace rock sliders. Anyone know if those will fit fine with the 10A side rails? Any other recommendations?
They will not fit over the current 10A rails. My wife, 5, and 7 yo girls do fine with the additional material on these "Mopar Enhanced Rock Rails". Might want to wait to see them before chasing a replacement. They are textured, pretty stout, and offer a single rail of 'step'. Google the name above for images. Otherwise, you'll be looking at replacement. Everyone seems to like Ace that goes that route, although I don't recall any 10A owners indicating they have yet.

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Very nice, and I agree the sunrise red is real close in color!
Thanks! So anymore DIY projects up your sleeves?
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Got an email from Maximus 3 and they said 6-8 weeks and they'd have a stinger ready that requires no cutting
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Weather has been crappy these past few days.. so a little overcast. But I did say I would post some pics during the day.





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Alright... So my lift is complete 2.5 SkyJacker Classic Red w Shocks sprayed red as well to compliment the rest of the red accents on board. Now for the Dick Cepek DC-2s and General Grabber Reds 35s. Trying to get the consensus on tire carriers. AEV looks to be the most asthetically pleasing but its off-center high profile mount seems slightly off-putting. Plus visually it being so high it doesn't appear to be easy to see traffic in the rearview mirror... On the other hand, the Teraflex seems to be a lower profile bracket allowing for more visual clearance in the rearview mirror. On top of that, it also seems to be more centered relative to the back of the Jeep. Let me know what you guys think????
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Alright... So my lift is complete 2.5 SkyJacker Classic Red w Shocks sprayed red as well to compliment the rest of the red accents on board. Now for the Dick Cepek DC-2s and General Grabber Reds 35s. Trying to get the consensus on tire carriers. AEV looks to be the most asthetically pleasing but its off-center high profile mount seems slightly off-putting. Plus visually it being so high it doesn't appear to be easy to see traffic in the rearview mirror... On the other hand, the Teraflex seems to be a lower profile bracket allowing for more visual clearance in the rearview mirror. On top of that, it also seems to be more centered relative to the back of the Jeep. Let me know what you guys think????
This is on my 13' White Rubicon 10A btw....
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Alright... So my lift is complete 2.5 SkyJacker Classic Red w Shocks sprayed red as well to compliment the rest of the red accents on board. Now for the Dick Cepek DC-2s and General Grabber Reds 35s. Trying to get the consensus on tire carriers. AEV looks to be the most asthetically pleasing but its off-center high profile mount seems slightly off-putting. Plus visually it being so high it doesn't appear to be easy to see traffic in the rearview mirror... On the other hand, the Teraflex seems to be a lower profile bracket allowing for more visual clearance in the rearview mirror. On top of that, it also seems to be more centered relative to the back of the Jeep. Let me know what you guys think????


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I went the TF route - cant go wrong with either but I do like that the TF allows the tire to sit as low as possible and it is snug to the rear and centered.
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I went the TF route - cant go wrong with either but I do like that the TF allows the tire to sit as low as possible and it is snug to the rear and centered.
Does look nice... Can you squeeze a 35" tire on there w/o making contact w the bumper? Looks like your tire is pretty tight and w 3 extra inches 1.5 downward it appears it will rub unless you can shift the tire or carrier itself more vertically... How much was it and did it come w brake light adapter???
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Does look nice... Can you squeeze a 35" tire on there w/o making contact w the bumper? Looks like your tire is pretty tight and w 3 extra inches 1.5 downward it appears it will rub unless you can shift the tire or carrier itself more vertically... How much was it and did it come w brake light adapter???
The mount for the tire itself is adjustable. No problem for a 35. Pretty sure they built it for up to a 37. Check their web site, they have videos on it.
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Does look nice... Can you squeeze a 35" tire on there w/o making contact w the bumper? Looks like your tire is pretty tight and w 3 extra inches 1.5 downward it appears it will rub unless you can shift the tire or carrier itself more vertically... How much was it and did it come w brake light adapter???
Believe thats a 35 on it now, and that he has it adjusted downward to sit the 35 just above his bumper. Because of the bumper design on our 10As, you can actually sit it lower on the TF mount than with many other bumpers. The brake light is a temp solution on his, but I believe TF has an option for a permanent mount. Do check out their web site. This from my perspective is the way to go. The only thing it can't do that the AEV can is carry a shovel, but it has adapters for a Hi Lift, Rotopax and other odds and ends, and it's centered, and rides lower. Win!
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They will not fit over the current 10A rails. My wife, 5, and 7 yo girls do fine with the additional material on these "Mopar Enhanced Rock Rails". Might want to wait to see them before chasing a replacement. They are textured, pretty stout, and offer a single rail of 'step'. Google the name above for images. Otherwise, you'll be looking at replacement. Everyone seems to like Ace that goes that route, although I don't recall any 10A owners indicating they have yet.
Thanks for the info. Yeah I'll live with these for a while and see how they do. The Mopar enhanced rails are actually welded on right? So would they need to get cut off with a torch to do a rail upgrade? Maybe a dumb question...
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Believe thats a 35 on it now, and that he has it adjusted downward to sit the 35 just above his bumper. Because of the bumper design on our 10As, you can actually sit it lower on the TF mount than with many other bumpers. The brake light is a temp solution on his, but I believe TF has an option for a permanent mount. Do check out their web site. This from my perspective is the way to go. The only thing it can't do that the AEV can is carry a shovel, but it has adapters for a Hi Lift, Rotopax and other odds and ends, and it's centered, and rides lower. Win!
Ya... when I posted I thought he had a stock 32 on there oooops. Does look like at least a 33
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Thanks! So anymore DIY projects up your sleeves?
Next items on my list are to get tube doors, bushwacker fender flares, security storage and a Baja rack. Me and a neighbor are going to try and build the Baja rack with his new plasma torch and welder.
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Next items on my list are to get tube doors, bushwacker fender flares, security storage and a Baja rack. Me and a neighbor are going to try and build the Baja rack with his new plasma torch and welder.
I feel you on those fender flares... niceeeee. You will definitely have to post some pics of that Baja rack.

My plan is to work on the outside then inside. I am wanting to add these next.



They are the Mopar Four LED Spot Pattern Off Road lights. Should I stick with Mopar or go with another brand?
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I feel you on those fender flares... niceeeee. You will definitely have to post some pics of that Baja rack.

My plan is to work on the outside then inside. I am wanting to add these next.



They are the Mopar Four LED Spot Pattern Off Road lights. Should I stick with Mopar or go with another brand?
You could go with Rigids
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Those look like Rigid's. I wonder if they have a deal with MOPAR now.

To the OP, I'd go with a pencil beam there or you'll get a lot of hood glare.
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I feel you on those fender flares... niceeeee. You will definitely have to post some pics of that Baja rack.

My plan is to work on the outside then inside. I am wanting to add these next.



They are the Mopar Four LED Spot Pattern Off Road lights. Should I stick with Mopar or go with another brand?
I was thinking those would look awesome on a 10 Painted with some high heat red paint!

Also i would go with http://www.rigidindustries.com/d-ser...ghts-s/224.htm

you can find them around cheaper!
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I feel you on those fender flares... niceeeee. You will definitely have to post some pics of that Baja rack.

My plan is to work on the outside then inside. I am wanting to add these next.



They are the Mopar Four LED Spot Pattern Off Road lights. Should I stick with Mopar or go with another brand?
Yeah, like the other responses, they look like Rigid brand. I'm sure you can get them cheaper. While you are looking at lights, have you thought about getting a Spod? I don't know what else you plan on adding, but it may be worthwhile to get that mouth your lights as well. I saw 1 or 2 others on here that added it in earlier threads.

Here is the link: http://www.4x4spod.com/
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Does look nice... Can you squeeze a 35" tire on there w/o making contact w the bumper? Looks like your tire is pretty tight and w 3 extra inches 1.5 downward it appears it will rub unless you can shift the tire or carrier itself more vertically... How much was it and did it come w brake light adapter???
Here are some current and better pics. This is a 34" tire with the spare measuring at 33" mounted. This picture shows that the tire is nicely centered and sits very low provide optimal view from the driver's seat.

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This photo shows the back of the top mounting studs are in the lowest position. This position is intended for stock sport tires with a stock bumper. But due to the design of the 10a bumper I am able to put 34" tires (33" mounted) in the lowest setting without contacting the bumper. 35" tires, which typically measure 34", could easily fit in the next higher spot. Notice Also the faint outline of a wheel spacer - this is required if using stock wheels due to back spacing. The spacer allows the tire to sit so that it does not contact the Hinged carrier or rear tailgate. Instead it sits independently on the adjustable tire carrier. The HD hinged and adjustable tire carrier can be purchased separately but both are required to realize the full benefits I am describing.

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This photo shows that the tire sits very snugly to the back of the jeep - eliminating some of the empty space found with some other carriers.



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Those look like Rigid's. I wonder if they have a deal with MOPAR now.

To the OP, I'd go with a pencil beam there or you'll get a lot of hood glare.
Pencil beam?
Is that spot beam?
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Here are some current and better pics. This is a 34" tire with the spare measuring at 33" mounted. This picture shows that the tire is nicely centered and sits very low provide optimal view from the driver's seat.

This photo shows the back of the top mounting studs are in the lowest position. This position is intended for stock sport tires with a stock bumper. But due to the design of the 10a bumper I am able to put 34" tires (33" mounted) in the lowest setting without contacting the bumper. 35" tires, which typically measure 34", could easily fit in the next higher spot. Notice Also the faint outline of a wheel spacer - this is required if using stock wheels due to back spacing. The spacer allows the tire to sit so that it does not contact the Hinged carrier or rear tailgate. Instead it sits independently on the adjustable tire carrier. The HD hinged and adjustable tire carrier can be purchased separately but both are required to realize the full benefits I am describing.

This photo shows that the tire sits very snugly to the back of the jeep - eliminating some of the empty space found with some other carriers.
Okay, JD, you got ahead of me with the rack! Is that the Gobi low profile rack? That's the one I've been looking at. How do you like it so far? Did you get a good deal on it? Wind noise? Change in fuel consumption? Did you put a light on the front?

Also, better get some paint or por on the holes where you pulled the studs out. What did you decide to do about he third brake light? I was talking to Doug at Teraflex today and he mentioned a new CHMSL option for above the tire that they have coming out soon.
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Pencil beam?
Is that spot beam?
Yup. Long and skinny like a pencil.
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Yup. Long and skinny like a pencil.
Sweet!
That is what I will run.
For fogs, which Rigid is recommend? Similar? Spot?
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Sweet!
That is what I will run.
For fogs, which Rigid is recommend? Similar? Spot?
Fog for lower mounting like a bumper and spot for higher or on top.

I was going to get the dually light mount and put four by the windshield guess I need to look into the pencil
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Fog for lower mounting like a bumper and spot for higher or on top.

I was going to get the dually light mount and put four by the windshield guess I need to look into the pencil
Ill be running D2's as well both in the fogs and at the windshield, now I need to find the right mount as I do not want hood glare.
Any one know of one that hangs to the side?
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OK, so I had been shopping for some grill inserts and all seem to be a bit pricy for a piece of metal, so I decided to venture out on my own a build one. I put together a "how to" list of how I went about doing it and have a few pictures to go along with it.

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1) Remove the front grill. You can do so by pulling the 6 pins from the top part of the grill. You'll need to open the hood to access the pins

2) Unplug the turn signal lights by pulling up the red clip and pulling the light housing towards you

3) The bottom of the grill is simply held in by push clips, all you will need to do it pull them out towards you. It is best to pull them firmly at each pin location so you are not flexing the grill. Once the 3 steps are done, the grill is free to come off

4) Place the grill with the painted side down. Make sure you place it on something that will not scratch the grill. Prepare the back side of the grill. Clean it thoroughly to remove any dirt/grime so that the adhesive mount pads can stick cleanly. I measured out from inside light cut out to inside light cut out in preparation to cut the metal lath (estimated ~30")

5) Place the 1" cable tie mount pads generously around the inside of the grill. Key locations are each of the ends by the light cut out locations and top and bottom of each grill opening. Also I placed 4 mount pads in the inside of each grill opening (see picture)

6) Paint the metal reg lath with the Rustoleum Regal Red paint. I put 4 coats on it and let it dry completely for 24 hours....zzzzzzzzzz

7) Insert the cable ties into each of the tie down mount pads BEFORE you place the screen on. Doing this will allow you to use the needle nose players to pull the cable ties thru the holes (see picture)

8) Pull the cable ties thru the metal reg lath in locations that will allow you to firm the screen in place but NOT to bend the screen, meaning do not span across multiple grids in the screen. Pull the cable ties snug, but DO NOT pull them firmly, leave room to play and move the screen as needed. Once all cable ties are thru and a bit snug, maneuver screen so everything lines up (top/bottom and row of screen). Once everything is lined up, you can begin to pull all cable ties firmly so that the lath is secure to the grill

9) Install the grill back onto the jeep by placing the bottom of the grill in first. Line up the metal clips and push in each section as needed. Line up the holes on the top and inesrt the 6 pins. Finally, reconnect the turn signal indicators to the clips

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Hmmm.. Think I might try that this weekend.. thanks for the write up
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Okay, JD, you got ahead of me with the rack! Is that the Gobi low profile rack? That's the one I've been looking at. How do you like it so far? Did you get a good deal on it? Wind noise? Change in fuel consumption? Did you put a light on the front?

Also, better get some paint or por on the holes where you pulled the studs out. What did you decide to do about he third brake light? I was talking to Doug at Teraflex today and he mentioned a new CHMSL option for above the tire that they have coming out soon.
It is the Gobi Stealth - I have no complaints so far other than it took 7 weeks for it to arrive (ordered 4/1). I went through Trail Duty, no shipping, free ladder and wind fairing. EAD Offroad also sells them with the same freebies. I found a code to get 5% off at TD so I went that route. Wait time will be the same no matter how you order. The rack js everything you might expect:
1. Expensive
2. More wind noise - very loud until the wind fairing is adjusted and then just noticeably loud over 60 with the top on.
3. Lower Mpg - I have 1700 miles with the rack on and seem to be up to 2 mpg lower but can't be sure as I didn't get a good baseline.
4. Despite all that I absolutely love it.

I have two Hardigg chests en route and will post up more pics later. I also have a set of Black Box Logistics LEDs just waiting for the right mounts. I finally think I will be getting what I need this Friday.

As for the brake light, I am toying with the idea of mounting an led to the center of the rack or adding an led behind the spare tire. I had Recon tail lights but those didn't work so now I have IPCWs on order. Thanks for the tip on the mount - I will hit it with paint.

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